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09-08-2023, 06:03 PM
#4081
Originally Posted By Ikeman83
Have a realistic understanding of why you need ammo.

"Stocking up" isn't preparing you for unresupplied perpetual firefights.

It's creating a buffer between you and your dependence on commercial ammo availability to keep shooting.
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"stocking up" ammo is somewhere between 99%-100% to be used for continued training when supplies are difficult/expensive. "Bulk", that's what it is…training ammo.

The defense type ammo…you don't really need much of that premium stuff. So, make it good.

And then back it up with quantity of reliable stuff you can use to train.

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09-08-2023, 06:35 PM
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Valid point. To be fair, the 5.56 is secondary anyway. I’ll prolly just stock up on 262 because it’s so retarded accurate.

Yugo PPU M67 is my primary.
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09-08-2023, 06:39 PM
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Have a realistic understanding of why you need ammo.

"Stocking up" isn't preparing you for unresupplied perpetual firefights.

It's creating a buffer between you and your dependence on commercial ammo availability to keep shooting.
There are dozens of examples of months-long civilian firefights where the people end up just fine bc they had enough ammo.




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09-08-2023, 06:39 PM
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Were you guys buying your 12g ammo at a good price? Y’all going 00 buckshot or slugs in the M4?

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09-08-2023, 07:09 PM
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Valid point. To be fair, the 5.56 is secondary anyway. I’ll prolly just stock up on 262 because it’s so retarded accurate.

Yugo PPU M67 is my primary.
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09-08-2023, 07:42 PM
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Were you guys buying your 12g ammo at a good price? Y’all going 00 buckshot or slugs in the M4?

What is best. Federal?
I used Federal Powershok 00

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What the ****?
AK is my go to rifle buddy guy
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09-08-2023, 07:53 PM
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I used Federal Powershok 00



AK is my go to rifle buddy guy
The poor choices compound themselves…
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09-08-2023, 07:57 PM
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The poor choices compound themselves…
Yeah, the rifle I have by far the most trigger time with that has been 100% dependable and that I’m most comfortable shooting is a poor choice.
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09-08-2023, 07:59 PM
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The poor choices compound themselves…
Location:Brooklyn, NY….I don't know what to think, here.




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09-08-2023, 08:05 PM
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We don't wish radical leftists that want to take your guns away that they have a good time.
A fellow poster PM'd me some context. So now I know what the hell you were even talking about.

Try leading with that next time.
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09-08-2023, 08:13 PM
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Yeah, the rifle I have by far the most trigger time with that has been 100% dependable and that I’m most comfortable shooting is a poor choice.
Yes. Everything about the AK is inferior to the AR. The AK used to be able to compete on price and ammo price, but that is in the past.

The platform suffers from limitations in its design resulting from changes to weapons accessories and ammo technology improvements since its design in 1947.
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09-08-2023, 08:22 PM
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Yes. Everything about the AK is inferior to the AR. The AK used to be able to compete on price and ammo price, but that is in the past.

The platform suffers from limitations in its design resulting from changes to weapons accessories and ammo technology improvements since its design in 1947.
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I’m not debating which platform is better. I’m telling you which platform I’m better with and I trust more especially long term in any condition. Calling it a poor choice is autism.
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09-08-2023, 08:32 PM
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Ike, I like you but hopefully you won’t be the 99.9% of retards who spend 20k of their wife’s money on an arfcom meta LARP setup (URGI, CPC, LPVO, etc) then get wasted in 2 seconds.

I’m not debating which platform is better. I’m telling you which platform I’m better with and I trust more especially long term in any condition. Calling it a poor choice is autism.

How many thousand rounds of meaningful shooting (sitting at a bench and plinking doesn't count) and days of formal training on the AK do you have
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09-08-2023, 08:38 PM
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How many thousand rounds of meaningful shooting (sitting at a bench and plinking doesn't count) and days of formal training on the AK do you have
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I just LARP
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09-08-2023, 08:56 PM
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How many thousand rounds of meaningful shooting (sitting at a bench and plinking doesn't count) and days of formal training on the AK do you have
How many thousand of meaningful rounds did the VC or Iraqis or Afghanis have?
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09-08-2023, 08:59 PM
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How many thousand of meaningful rounds did the VC or Iraqis or Afghanis have?
This is relavent to proficiency… how?

I mean, if your goal is to be on the losing side of a 40:1 k:d ratio, please follow this model.
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09-08-2023, 09:03 PM
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Ike, I like you but hopefully you won’t be the 99.9% of retards who spend 20k of their wife’s money on an arfcom meta LARP setup (URGI, CPC, LPVO, etc) then get wasted in 2 seconds.
^ dude is right.


You can have the most Gucci red dot appendix carry set up and hours of training with muh Vickers/YouTube flavor of the week and 4 tampons strapped to your ankle and it means nothing when a 17 year old with a stolen problem solver claps you from behind at the ATM because he wants some cash for THC carts for after when he steals a Kia to joyride.
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09-08-2023, 09:11 PM
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^ dude is right.


You can have the most Gucci red dot appendix carry set up and hours of training with muh Vickers/YouTube flavor of the week and 4 tampons strapped to your ankle and it means nothing when a 17 year old with a stolen problem solver claps you from behind at the ATM because he wants some cash for THC carts for after when he steals a Kia to joyride.
1. Who goes to an ATM? Are you a drug dealer? Wait, don't answer that.
2. Someone having shot gun "A" more than gun "B" doesn't make them proficient. "Perceived proficiency" is not a substitute for a superior setup, or greater opportunities for training or growth.

The floor on an AK is very marginally better, however the ceiling is wildly lower. (Just like Communism, I'm sure you'll appreciate this) If you have a background as some kind of 2nd World military where you've got a legitimate background on the gun, then this will apply to you less. "I've taken my AK to shoot it at the bench more" isn't the same as being more proficient.
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09-08-2023, 09:13 PM
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Were you guys buying your 12g ammo at a good price? Y’all going 00 buckshot or slugs in the M4?

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Federal 00 Buck or #4 Buck

Slightly less chance of it actually exiting the entire home than a slug.
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09-08-2023, 09:14 PM
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I sold the one AK I had 7 years ago lmaoo
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09-08-2023, 09:28 PM
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I sold the one AK I had 7 years ago lmaoo
The "you" I was referencing was a colloquial, general "you", inferring "the reader". No one cares what guns you own. (or that you watch football, or voted really hard for Joe, or that you're a degenerate, or anything else)

I don't know what happened to you, but it's sad. I don't know why you post here. I assume it's that the emptiness from the absence of meaning just keeps getting bigger.
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09-08-2023, 09:42 PM
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This is relavent to proficiency… how?

I mean, if your goal is to be on the losing side of a 40:1 k:d ratio, please follow this model.
I don’t want to join in on this because your go to weapon should be the one you’re best trained with and can depend on so it’s irrelevant to me but M4s aren’t helping Ukraine very much right now with both sides being relatively equal in skill level.

A full size M16 will always be included in a scenario when I can grab more than one rifle but for any scenario under 300, I wouldn’t hesitate for a second to grab my AK with an aimpoint above anything else.
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09-08-2023, 09:50 PM
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I don’t want to join in on this because your go to weapon should be the one you’re best trained with and can depend on so it’s irrelevant to me but M4s aren’t helping Ukraine very much right now with both sides being relatively equal in skill level.
They're not on the same skill level. Ukraine is conscripting teenagers off the street and Russia is calling back men who served a term of conscription to service.

I'm sure that the Russians would rather have M4s and a supply chain to support them, but they don't.

The massive disparity in forces and the nature of modern near-peer conflict are your factors there, not the M4 vs AK.
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09-09-2023, 07:26 AM
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1. Who goes to an ATM? Are you a drug dealer? Wait, don't answer that.
2. Someone having shot gun "A" more than gun "B" doesn't make them proficient. "Perceived proficiency" is not a substitute for a superior setup, or greater opportunities for training or growth.

The floor on an AK is very marginally better, however the ceiling is wildly lower. (Just like Communism, I'm sure you'll appreciate this) If you have a background as some kind of 2nd World military where you've got a legitimate background on the gun, then this will apply to you less. "I've taken my AK to shoot it at the bench more" isn't the same as being more proficient.
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09-09-2023, 04:36 PM
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Were you guys buying your 12g ammo at a good price? Y’all going 00 buckshot or slugs in the M4?

What is best. Federal?
These are the buckshots you seek

https://thatshotgunblog.wordpress.co...ys-versa-tite/

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Ike, I like you but hopefully you won’t be the 99.9% of retards who spend 20k of their wife’s money on an arfcom meta LARP setup (URGI, CPC, LPVO, etc) then get wasted in 2 seconds.

I’m not debating which platform is better. I’m telling you which platform I’m better with and I trust more especially long term in any condition. Calling it a poor choice is autism.
Ask him what he pays for his LPVO's

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I don’t want to join in on this because your go to weapon should be the one you’re best trained with and can depend on so it’s irrelevant to me but M4s aren’t helping Ukraine very much right now with both sides being relatively equal in skill level.

A full size M16 will always be included in a scenario when I can grab more than one rifle but for any scenario under 300, I wouldn’t hesitate for a second to grab my AK with an aimpoint above anything else.
Hint: Modern wars aren't won or lost by which rifle the grunts carry. And if they were, it would be by which rifle the grunts carry that has the best logistics (and to a lesser extent, training) behind it.
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09-09-2023, 05:24 PM
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These are the buckshots you seek

https://thatshotgunblog.wordpress.co...ys-versa-tite/



Ask him what he pays for his LPVO's

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09-09-2023, 06:16 PM
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These are the buckshots you seek

https://thatshotgunblog.wordpress.co...ys-versa-tite/

it.
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09-09-2023, 06:44 PM
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Fukin buckshot is where this thread is at lmao
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09-09-2023, 07:33 PM
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Fukin buckshot is where this thread is at lmao
Nobody is going to argue with an Italian semi auto 12 gauge spitting golf ball size groups of 00 across the living room
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Nobody is going to argue with an Italian semi auto 12 gauge spitting golf ball size groups of 00 across the living room
nobody, as in no intruder? Or are you being sarcastic?
6 rounds, 00 buck penetating every wall, 160 db, never going to train with. Retarded choice, unless you only have one long gun for hunting and HD, and probably use #4 buck.

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