Frangible buckshot > *

bruh its a rifle. point click bang. chit aint rocket science.

Careful trolling what is supposed to be a serious topic

Some people who read this might be retarded enough to believe you.

Yeah, I know…it's sad.

Has anyone used a Tactical Tailor Malice V3? I can get a brand new one with frame for 175 since im looking to upgrade to something with more storage capacity.

This would be for backpacking trips ranging from 2 days to over a week in areas ranging from Yosemite, yellowstone, Trinity Alps, Rockies, northern cascades in WA etc.

My current sleep setup is a hammock/tarp or a bivvy depending on the area im planning on and the weather.

Buy an actual back pack from a reputable company like Osprey, Gregory, REI, Mountain Hardware, TNF, etc. for backpacking.

ALICE pack hipsters are the worst.

I already have an Osprey 55l but its not big enough. And its also 175 brand new vs double the price for the Aether im looking at. Im not doing the Super Ultralight **** cause i love hammock camping.

I’m seeing two different kinds of federal premium HST hollow points

What’s the best one? For 9mm. I need it desperately

Thank you

LARPers are hilariously retarded and literally have no idea that any scenario/environment/situation can occur.

Anyone that suggests some 400 lbers ARFCOM cookie cutter setup/loadout 99.9% of the time has zero idea what they’re talking about. As soon as ****s the fan and they go into cardiac arrest from moving more than the 30 second 2-gun drills they’re used to or dehydrate and die in 3 days.

In a scenario like that, there will probably be an abundance of URGIs/gucci AR builds with no operators.

If the OIF/OEF guys are still around go to the USMC thread and ask if the AK is stupid weapon to choose. Lmaoooo

The AR and the AK are the kings with the longest history of being proven to be combat effective.

HST, not hydrashok. The one without the post in the middle.

The AK is so effective that every modern military has abandoned it. The countries (entities) still using the AK do so because they have them and can't afford to replace them. The motivator for the AK in the US market was always that the ammo and mags were cheap, and that the rifle was similarly effective to an iron sight equipped M4/M16 clone. Unfortunately, with the ban on ammo imports from the world's biggest manufacturer of 7.62x39 and the widespread adoption of optics, that's no longer the case.

I'm pretty salty about the ammo. This little guy is good with it out to 400 yds

95% agree with this. I am very slowly building a stock of 77g Razorcore as nothing other than a supply for potential collapse. I only have half a case right now, but will continue building it at a slow rate. It's hard to justify the cost for something that is extremely unlikely, though the money spent training with the rifle itself is equally as unlikely, so it's difficult to justify one and not the other IMO. That would be the 5% I disagree with here. The 95% I agree with is my stockpile of training ammo that I am actively shooting several times a month. That training ammo would certainly work in a collapse situation, though not as effectively as something like RC.

The problem is that if a collapse does happen, then this scenario becomes reality.

That's why we all train with rifles, right? We're currently watching a first world country go through a scenario where this would be utilized. Now, the US doesn't face the same threats like those Europoors, but it still shows the potential for something like that to happen to a civilized country of white people. Look at our current climate with the bull**** they did with Covid, combined with Biden full blown weaponizing the DOJ to attack his political opponents. It wouldn't take much more to push things over the edge at this rate. It's still incredibly unlikely, but certainly not impossible.

That would require logic and I am retarded.

This is the one place he can't get kicked out of. That's why he's still here. No one else (except some Reddit radical left wing extremist subs) will accept him.

Ukraine and Russia are not equal when it comes to military strength, not even remotely close. Ukraine is getting absolutely butt ****ed by Russia. There have been very few actual engagements where Ukraine has won, all of which are meaningless with the imminent Russian counteroffensive that follows.

Ukrainian small arms is not helping or hurting them. Whether they have M4s or AKs or any other type of rifle, they're not going to do better or worse. Russia is still heavily operating in Syria and parts of Africa. They're not even putting their full military behind this. Meanwhile, Ukrainians are legit kidnapping men off the street to force them onto the front lines. They're even conscripting men with down syndrome.

My mind is absolutely blown that you have a 55L pack and that is not big enough for backpacking, especially since you use a hammock and not a tent. My go to pack is a 65L Osprey and I primarily use it for climbing, which requires several pieces of specialized gear. When I use it for backpacking it has plenty of room and I bring a tent.

I'm not sure how much you want to get into this, but post up your packing list on a typical backpacking trip and I guarantee there is plenty of fat we can trim to get you to comfortably fit in a 55L.

I don't know anything about that TT ruck, but I bet it weighs close to 10 pounds empty which is retarded for backpacking. I would also hate using that for backpacking as much of the capacity is in the external individual pockets, rather than a main compartment. I looked up the capacity of that ruck and it's double your 55L. I do have a 105L pack but the primary use for that was climbing Mt. Logan in Canada and we spent 25 days on the mountain. You absolutely do not need a 100+L pack for backpacking.

For starters, marines are retarded and I would not trust them if they say an AK is ideal for a primary rifle as an American civilian.

I don't understand equating gucci ARs to being fat retards that will die quickly. There are likely far more fat retards with non-gucci rifles than there are with. It's a weird (and illogical) claim.

I'm one of the OEF guys and spent over a year in northeastern Afghanistan during the two worst years of the war. While I'm not sure why that should have any relevance on this discussion, I meet your requirements and I will tell you that 5.56 can have limitations, but as long as you acknowledge that (and even eliminate it with specific rounds) there isn't a better platform as an American civilian than the 5.56 AR.

Just because the AK is the most popular rifle in the world and the most combat proven doesn't mean it's the best option. It's popular because most of its users are poor. When I say users, I don't mean people like you, I mean countries around the world. The 1911 is absolutely the most combat proven pistol in US history, potentially the world, yet not a single person would actually choose it (except fat retarded boomers) over other options. Better pistols have come out since that exceed it. The same is true with the AK.

I traveled to Thailand for 2 weeks with only a 55L pack so I could carry it on and not have to check anything. I have traveled to many different countries for a week or more with that same bag. The whole reason I bought that bag was for airplane travel.

My actual backpacking pack is 78L though (They make a 104). I error to the side of too much. You can always tighten things up with all the straps and the larger pack doesn't add much weight. I ski into yurts in the winter and the extra space is key for that. 12 beers, tons of warm cloths, real food, guns, ammo, etc. I can carry 100 pounds with minimal discomfort which is what that pack is designed for. Its designed to haul Bull Elk hind quarters miles back to the truck.

If you backcountry hunt at all and are also into normal backpacking. Check out EXO packs. They are crazy comfy. I sold my Gregory Baltoro when I got the EXO. Very $$$$ though but for backpacking hunting, its worth it. It also makes normal backpacking feel like I'm cheating laughing about 50 pounds while others struggle.

In b4 the 1911 defendooooors

Who would you trust more in the apocalypse

a high school cross country runner with no gun experience

or

your local RSO

The thing that's always been telling for me is that nearly every guy I've read info from or talked to in person that had enough experience to be considered an expert always chose the AR platform over the AK. I say "nearly" but I can't remember anyone picking AK, although it may have happened. Granted the information I consume is predominantly from US sources, and the possibility for bias is there. I'd like to get enough experience to where I thought my opinion on the subject mattered, but the truth is, it's not going to be any time soon. Too many irons in the fire and I just haven't prioritized it highly enough.

I do alot of Backcountry hiking and i have a 15 day trip to the North Cascades planned for early October aka colder temps, even packing a spare set of clothes in dry compression bags it takes up a bit of space.

I have a Warbonnet Hammock
EE under quilt
HG premium Burrow 0°
Onewind Billow tarp

This more or less takes up the same or slightly less than a tent/bag/pad setup unless you get into the super ultralight ish.

I was looking at the EXO 3500 ironically, but i want to make sure that whatever bag im using does not extend to my head as i do alot of off trail work so ducking and crawling is normal. Usually in these situations my friends and i will plot our own route and wild camp in order to stay away from the majority of people.

Btw, dude, I was totally joking about telling you to stfu. RgrJNC used to be a member in MFC with a different name (CdCox or some **** like that). The dude became a radical leftist and now votes for democrats, including Biden, and generally sucks. I assumed everyone knew who he was and that's why I made that comment when you wished he had a good day or whatever lol.

The AK is still stuck in 1947 with its ergonomics. The AR platform was able to adapt with the times. There are some nifty AK builders out there that make some pretty sweet setups to bring the AK to the 21st century, but the basic ergonomics still suck and will always be the major limiting factor of the AK. If you took two people that are equally proficient with the respective platforms, the AR user will always outshine the AK user.

There are absolutely some situation/environments where the AK would be the better option and that's why my comments about this discussion have been sure to specify for "American civilians". If I was living in Pakistan or something I'd want an AK. I own an AK and while I rarely shoot it, I won't get rid of it. If **** went down and I had to use it I know they're capable platforms. They're just not ideal platforms in the US when ARs exist.

I think you can get enough experience. The more you train and are around other likeminded individuals, the more you'll learn and be able to stand behind those opinions better. It's definitely hard finding people like that to train with, though. I've been able to very slowly piece some things together in Utah, but its a slow process for sure.

1911 slanderous talk must stop !

That's definitely not your average trip. I get it now. A trip like that I would get the EXO 6400, srs. There are a ton of straps to cinch everything tight if you don't need all that space. Exo you can get the frame and switch bags around on the frame. Most people have a 3500 bag and a 6400 or the 6400. I haven't looked at the new Exo, I think they have the K4 out now. I believe one of the main things that changed was to lower the pack around the head. If you are on FB, there is a group they knows everything. These packs have a cult like following and used ones cost basically the same is new. Since the K4 just came out, might be able to find a good deal on a used K3.

If you are looking for a cheaper alternative I did really liked my Gregory 75L Baltoro, those are like $230. Sleeping bag in a drybag strapped extremally at the bottom should save you a lot of room. I'm sure you already were thinking that.

Agreed, 55L pack for a 15 days Oct trip, thats not going to work.

Sounds like a sick trip!!!!!!!

AR > AK

Just don't get one shorter than 11.5"


9mm > .45

Sorry. With newer bullet technology and faster velocities, 9mm in larger capacity mags just make more sense. The roughly 0.1" larger diameter bullet of the .45 is insignificant at this point.

It really doesn't matter with HST

Whichever you want to buy the most of.

If in doubt, and it's a 3.5" or shorter barrel, 147gr

If in doubt, and it's a 4" or longer barrel, 124 standard

Realistically I train with a rifle primarily so that if mr local crackhead or triumvirate of entrepreneurs breaks into my house with their (likely) handguns, I'm bringing a rifle to that handgun fight.

“Radical leftists” lmaooolllo

I didn’t vote for the guy that said take the guns and have due process later in a state that went for him anyway. That’s not a radical leftist view. My vote against trump didn’t count.

Feel free to highlight other “radical leftist” views you think I have.

^this.

Idk if anyone ever tested the “micro” 150gr version. Seems weird that the would even make that.

You voted for the actual leftist puppet who supports banning all guns because Trump isn't ideologically pure. Got it.

What a ****ing moron.

I should have added rifle + chest rig/plate carrier/battle belt and/or trains with a rifle beyond 25m (which is already generous for HD). I don't know anyone that takes rifle training seriously and only trains with the rifle at extremely close distances and doesn't use any other "tactical" gear or shoot to distances.

Training with a rifle for a collapse will still cover you if Jamal or Cleetus kick in your door, obviously. While the latter scenario is far more likely, I don't think anyone is training exclusively for it.

biden didn't win because of me lol

Stop trying to excuse trumps "impureness" aka **** your right to due process and your bump stocks just because he has an R next to his name.

I don't have to excuse his behavior to recognize that the present would be the reality under Biden. You put Biden's name on your ballot and you're happy about it.

****ing degenerate…

So you don’t deny being an alt for Cox? Everyone knows, btw

Anyone have a Shield Plus and feel like the extended magazine wiggles a lot?

I'm used to my Glocks where there is almost zero play in the extended mags. My 43 +1 mags feels like it's part of the actual grip.