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03-02-2024, 06:17 PM
#391
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Again, none of that is rooted in actual established science. Hence the history of the words themselves. If gender is not synonymous with sex, then sex reassignment surgery would not result in a different “gender”.
No. Psychology and applied physiology.
Then a review of the biological basis of sexual orientation.
Then a review of the biological basis of sexual orientation.
Yikes
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03-02-2024, 06:18 PM
#392
Originally Posted By Paul Kreul⏩
Okay.
Again, none of that is rooted in actual established science. Hence the history of the words themselves. If gender is not synonymous with sex, then sex reassignment surgery would not result in a different “gender”.
Yikes
Yikes
They're there if you want to read them
03-02-2024, 06:22 PM
#393
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
And so are the historical meanings of the word. The word gender in original meaning is a general term for distinction grouping, it’s the same root the word “genre” comes from (the French connection): Men and Women are humans of different GENRES, i.e. SEX, a.k.a. GENDER.
Okay.
They're there if you want to read them
They're there if you want to read them
Always has & always will be synonymous, your opinions do not change facts
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03-02-2024, 06:37 PM
#394
Originally Posted By Paul Kreul⏩
Things change. Especially science as our told and methods evolve over centuries.
And so are the historical meanings of the word. The word gender in original meaning is a general term for distinction grouping, it’s the same root the word “genre” comes from (the French connection): Men and Women are humans of different GENRES, i.e. SEX, a.k.a. GENDER.
Always has & always will be synonymous, your opinions do not change facts
Always has & always will be synonymous, your opinions do not change facts
Genres are also constructed rather than scientifically based. You're arguing against yourself again
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The article you shared is from Science Daily the word "gender" does not appear. It's about sex.
03-02-2024, 06:39 PM
#395
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
For the most part yes. No straight man wants to date a transwoman. That means their options are transmen, or gay men. How do you increase that dating pool? By creating more trannies and gays. Or by brainwashing kids into thinking it's acceptable and still straight for an actual man to date a transwoman.
Upon what is this claim based?
Do you think trans people only get into relationships with other trans people?
Do you think trans people only get into relationships with other trans people?
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03-02-2024, 06:43 PM
#396
Originally Posted By BigElephant⏩
You're incorrect. But that's okay
For the most part yes. No straight man wants to date a transwoman. That means their options are transmen, or gay men. How do you increase that dating pool? By creating more trannies and gays. Or by brainwashing kids into thinking it's acceptable and still straight for an actual man to date a transwoman.
03-02-2024, 06:46 PM
#397
Originally Posted By BigElephant⏩
For the most part yes. No straight man wants to date a transwoman. That means their options are transmen, or gay men. How do you increase that dating pool? By creating more trannies and gays. Or by brainwashing kids into thinking it's acceptable and still straight for an actual man to date a transwoman.
Gay men aren't attracted to trans women/shemales. They're attracted to the male phenotype, not the female one. They're no more attracted to trans women than you are to trans men.
Back off, Warchild.
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03-02-2024, 06:47 PM
#398
Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
Your claim that my discussion revolves into name calling is just a lie. If I devolved into name calling, it's because you did it first and the cultists call people names here at a rate 100x more frequently than anyone else.
Or, it's because you said something scientifically illiterate even after having been corrected on it a hundred times before.
Right-wingers employ more childish, angry and hateful personal attacks than any other group here by a country mile.
Right-wingers employ more childish, angry and hateful personal attacks than any other group here by a country mile.
Lmmfao….how much more could a person possibly lack self-awareness???
You literally started the thread by calling right-wingers a bunch of immoral, self/righteous, hatemongering fascists.
I think the origins come from the Epstein case, where only Epstein himself was held accountable and this fosters feelings of futility and helplessness. The paedo-panic seems to be an exclusive right-wing phenomenon who lack a moral ground now they've descended into fascism. So they cling to paedophile boogeymen to feel morally superior because it's really all they have left.
Also a convenient way to hatemonger about same sex relationships and push LGBT hate, too. To further their political agenda they invent crazy narratives to scare people.
They did this in the 80s with the gay and AIDS panic and the Satanic panic of course. But doesn't the incessant squealing and labelling everyone a paedophile just leave you with Boy who cried wolf, where actual victims get ignored and people with padeophilic tendencies won't seek help before they actually offend?
Do the right-wing just accuse everyone of being paedophiles because it's an extremely difficult thing to nuance and an easy to demonize the outgroup whilst validating the in group?
Also a convenient way to hatemonger about same sex relationships and push LGBT hate, too. To further their political agenda they invent crazy narratives to scare people.
They did this in the 80s with the gay and AIDS panic and the Satanic panic of course. But doesn't the incessant squealing and labelling everyone a paedophile just leave you with Boy who cried wolf, where actual victims get ignored and people with padeophilic tendencies won't seek help before they actually offend?
Do the right-wing just accuse everyone of being paedophiles because it's an extremely difficult thing to nuance and an easy to demonize the outgroup whilst validating the in group?
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03-02-2024, 06:49 PM
#399
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Because again…gender is synonymous with sex. Giving something a new definition, especially in today's society, does not change actual facts…grammatical gender is still about categories rather than sexual organs. People who decry the sometimes illogical assignment of gender to nouns in languages should keep that in mind.
Things change. Especially science as our told and methods evolve over centuries.
Genres are also constructed rather than scientifically based. You're arguing against yourself again
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The article you shared is from Science Daily the word "gender" does not appear. It's about sex.
Genres are also constructed rather than scientifically based. You're arguing against yourself again
Reviews in Psychology
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The article you shared is from Science Daily the word "gender" does not appear. It's about sex.
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03-02-2024, 06:54 PM
#400
Originally Posted By Paul Kreul⏩
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree
Because again…gender is synonymous with sex. Giving something a new definition, especially in today's society, does not change actual facts…grammatical gender is still about categories rather than sexual organs. People who decry the sometimes illogical assignment of gender to nouns in languages should keep that in mind.
03-02-2024, 07:03 PM
#401
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Wrong.
You're incorrect. But that's okay
Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
Also wrong. Tons of gay men fukk twinks and femboys as well.
Gay men aren't attracted to trans women/shemales. They're attracted to the male phenotype, not the female one. They're no more attracted to trans women than you are to trans men.
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03-02-2024, 07:09 PM
#402
The whole premise of self identifying as something contrary to what you were born as is based on improper etymology.
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03-02-2024, 07:15 PM
#403
Originally Posted By Paul Kreul⏩
Or refusing to accept etymology
The whole premise of self identifying as something contrary to what you were born as is based on improper etymology.
03-02-2024, 07:28 PM
#404
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Are you describing yourself, cause last I checked people have been attempting to repurpose the word gender since the 80s; it was never meant to describe anything social. Sex and gender are and were always synonymous. Its basic root word gene translates to “birth”, its literally shared with the word genitalia.
Or refusing to accept etymology
Think of the word Genesis, the origin or birth of something. “Male”, “female” & “intersex” are basic categorizations that aren’t meant to reflect society’s views, identity, neurological pathways, hormone levels, etc… The determining factors are genitalia and chromosomes. Accepting the premise that gender is anything other than a means to classify a persons body+genetics is what gives way to all the nonsense that usually follows.
Strong self awareness though
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03-02-2024, 07:32 PM
#405
Originally Posted By Paul Kreul⏩
Etymology includes the study of how the meaning of words changes over time.
Are you describing yourself, cause last I checked people have been attempting to repurpose the word gender since the 80s; it was never meant to describe anything social. Sex and gender are and were always synonymous. Its basic root word gene translates to “birth”, its literally shared with the word genitalia.
Think of the word Genesis, the origin or birth of something. “Male”, “female” & “intersex” are basic categorizations that aren’t meant to reflect society’s views, identity, neurological pathways, hormone levels, etc… The determining factors are genitalia and chromosomes. Accepting the premise that gender is anything other than a means to classify a persons body+genetics is what gives way to all the nonsense that usually follows.
Strong self awareness though
Think of the word Genesis, the origin or birth of something. “Male”, “female” & “intersex” are basic categorizations that aren’t meant to reflect society’s views, identity, neurological pathways, hormone levels, etc… The determining factors are genitalia and chromosomes. Accepting the premise that gender is anything other than a means to classify a persons body+genetics is what gives way to all the nonsense that usually follows.
Strong self awareness though
Languages and societies change over time (evolve).
03-02-2024, 07:34 PM
#406
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Etymology includes the study of how the meaning of words changes over time.
Languages and societies change over time (evolve).
Languages and societies change over time (evolve).
That's not evolving though…that's devolving infact. The words to describe the trans neurological experiences simply don’t exist. Repurposing existing words to do the job is harmful. Unless you’re intersex theres no personal say in what classification you fall under.
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03-02-2024, 07:41 PM
#407
Originally Posted By Paul Kreul⏩
I get that some people are bothered by charge. Preference for status quo or "tradition" is a primary tenet of conservatism.
That's not evolving though…that's devolving infact. The words to describe the trans neurological experiences simply don’t exist. Repurposing existing words to do the job is harmful. Unless you’re intersex theres no personal say in what classification you fall under.
Everybody's different
03-02-2024, 07:42 PM
#408
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
No problem with change, it's the misuse of words that is the issue. Again..Gender is a noun class. Languages have gender. People don’t.
I get that some people are bothered by charge. Preference for status quo or "tradition" is a primary tenet of conservatism.
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03-02-2024, 07:50 PM
#409
Originally Posted By Paul Kreul⏩
Gender (noun)
No problem with change, it's the misuse of words that is the issue. Again..Gender is a noun class. Languages have gender. People don’t.
male or female, especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences, rather than differences in biology; members of a particular gender as a group
- issues of class, race and gender
- traditional concepts of gender
- Levels of physical activity did not differ between genders.
- The film has something for people of all ages, genders and
backgrounds.
- gender differences/relations/roles/equality
- She examines the interplay between changing gender
divisions and urban change.
- The government is working on tackling gender inequalities
in employment.
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionari...english/gender
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The distinction between sex and gender is attributed to the anthropologist Margaret Mead (Sex and Temperament in Three Primitive Societies, 1935). Sex is the biological category, whereas gender is the culturally shaped expression of sexual difference: the masculine way in which men should behave and the feminine way in which women should behave. It is emphasized by de Beauvoir that in this system woman is the Other: the kind of person whose characteristics are described by contrast with the male norm. It is a central aim of much feminist thought to uncover concealed asymmetries of power in differences of gender, and to work for a society in which the polarization of gender is abolished.
https://www.oxfordreference.com/disp...11018151124466
03-02-2024, 07:52 PM
#410
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I do not subscribe to woke definitions.
Gender (nound)
male or female, especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences, rather than differences in biology; members of a particular gender as a group
- issues of class, race and gender
- traditional concepts of gender
- Levels of physical activity did not differ between genders.
- The film has something for people of all ages, genders and
backgrounds.
- gender differences/relations/roles/equality
- She examines the interplay between changing gender
divisions and urban change.
- The government is working on tackling gender inequalities
in employment.
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionari...english/gender
male or female, especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences, rather than differences in biology; members of a particular gender as a group
- issues of class, race and gender
- traditional concepts of gender
- Levels of physical activity did not differ between genders.
- The film has something for people of all ages, genders and
backgrounds.
- gender differences/relations/roles/equality
- She examines the interplay between changing gender
divisions and urban change.
- The government is working on tackling gender inequalities
in employment.
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionari...english/gender
gender (n.)
c.1300, "kind, sort, class," from O.Fr. gendre (12c., Mod.Fr. genre), from stem of L. genus (gen. generis) "race, stock, family; kind, rank, order; species," also (male or female) "sex" (see genus) and used to translate Aristotle's Greek grammatical term genos. The grammatical sense is attested in English from late 14c.; the male-or-female sense from early 15c. As sex took on erotic qualities in 20c., gender came to be the common word used for "sex of a human being," often in feminist writing with reference to social attributes as much as biological qualities
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03-02-2024, 08:05 PM
#411
Originally Posted By Paul Kreul⏩
I don't disagree: "kind, sort, class" and "with reference to social attributes as much as biological qualities".
I do not subscribe to woke definitions.
gender (n.)
c.1300, "kind, sort, class," from O.Fr. gendre (12c., Mod.Fr. genre), from stem of L. genus (gen. generis) "race, stock, family; kind, rank, order; species," also (male or female) "sex" (see genus) and used to translate Aristotle's Greek grammatical term genos. The grammatical sense is attested in English from late 14c.; the male-or-female sense from early 15c. As sex took on erotic qualities in 20c., gender came to be the common word used for "sex of a human being," often in feminist writing with reference to social attributes as much as biological qualities
gender (n.)
c.1300, "kind, sort, class," from O.Fr. gendre (12c., Mod.Fr. genre), from stem of L. genus (gen. generis) "race, stock, family; kind, rank, order; species," also (male or female) "sex" (see genus) and used to translate Aristotle's Greek grammatical term genos. The grammatical sense is attested in English from late 14c.; the male-or-female sense from early 15c. As sex took on erotic qualities in 20c., gender came to be the common word used for "sex of a human being," often in feminist writing with reference to social attributes as much as biological qualities
It looks like current dictionaries are keeping up with the etymology of the word
03-02-2024, 08:15 PM
#412
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Again, “change” isn’t the issue. The issue is when extremists want society to conform to their ideals, then say things like “You’re just afraid of change”. No, we are just against extremism.
I get that some people are bothered by charge. Preference for status quo or "tradition" is a primary tenet of conservatism.
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We are not the problem. Extremism is the problem. This is the evil I was referring to earlier. The idea that manifests. You are helping that idea become real evil in the world.
One party system; Most Republicans are Democrats, but no Democrats are Republicans.
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03-02-2024, 08:23 PM
#413
Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
Sure. I also think the extremism goes both ways. One side pushing the envelope of acceptance and the other pushing for "traditional values". Two extremes presented as a false dichotomy (a type of logical fallacy).
Again, “change” isn’t the issue. The issue is when extremists want society to conform to their ideals, then say things like “You’re just afraid of change”. No, we are just against extremism.
We are not the problem. Extremism is the problem. This is the evil I was referring to earlier. The idea that manifests. You are helping that idea become real evil in the world.
We are not the problem. Extremism is the problem. This is the evil I was referring to earlier. The idea that manifests. You are helping that idea become real evil in the world.
03-02-2024, 08:25 PM
#414
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
What?
Sure. I also think the extremism goes both ways. One side pushing the envelope of acceptance and the other pushing for "traditional values". Two extremes presented as a false dichotomy (a type of logical fallacy).
One party system; Most Republicans are Democrats, but no Democrats are Republicans.
Hayek and Mises were right; they're all socialists.
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03-02-2024, 08:27 PM
#415
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Sure. I also think the extremism goes both ways. One side pushing the envelope of acceptance and the other pushing for "traditional values". Two extremes presented as a false dichotomy (a type of logical fallacy).
How is pushing for acceptance an extreme? What is the middle ground?
I entirely agree with the criticism of conversatism for their absurd fear of structural criticism and anti-hierarchy, but I hardly see acceptance of LGBT as some sort of extreme. What is the middle ground, IYO?
Back off, Warchild.
Seriously.
03-02-2024, 08:31 PM
#416
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Umm..I think you missed the concept lol..social attributes/ biological qualities in feminist writing; this sense first attested in 1963. Gender-bender is first attested in 1980, with reference to David Bowie, grammatical gender is still about categories rather than sexual organs.
I don't disagree: "kind, sort, class" and "with reference to social attributes as much as biological qualities".
It looks like current dictionaries are keeping up with the etymology of the word
It looks like current dictionaries are keeping up with the etymology of the word
But I gotta ask, if genitals does not define gender, how does removing them AFFIRM IT?
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03-02-2024, 08:34 PM
#417
Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
I don't mean acceptance in general, I mean the provocative extremes. Some of the pics posted here regularly are examples of pushing extremes.
How is pushing for acceptance an extreme? What is the middle ground?
I entirely agree with the criticism of conversatism for their absurd fear of structural criticism and anti-hierarchy, but I hardly see acceptance of LGBT as some sort of extreme. What is the middle ground, IYO?
I entirely agree with the criticism of conversatism for their absurd fear of structural criticism and anti-hierarchy, but I hardly see acceptance of LGBT as some sort of extreme. What is the middle ground, IYO?
But on the other extreme are those who want to ban things they don't like or restrict people's freedom and opportunity based on religion, gender and/or sex ("traditional values").
03-02-2024, 08:36 PM
#418
Originally Posted By Paul Kreul⏩
I'm no expert on transgenderism, but I assume it's called that because it aligns physical appearance with one's identified gender.
Umm..I think you missed the concept lol..social attributes/ biological qualities in feminist writing; this sense first attested in 1963. Gender-bender is first attested in 1980, with reference to David Bowie, grammatical gender is still about categories rather than sexual organs.
But I gotta ask, if genitals does not define gender, how does removing them AFFIRM IT?
But I gotta ask, if genitals does not define gender, how does removing them AFFIRM IT?
03-02-2024, 08:37 PM
#419
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
So biology affirms gender now?
I'm no expert on transgenderism, but I assume it's called that because it aligns physical appearance with one's identified gender.
Just lol
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03-02-2024, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I don't mean acceptance in general, I mean the provocative extremes. Some of the pics posted here regularly are examples of pushing extremes.
But on the other extreme are those who want to ban things they don't like or restrict people's freedom and opportunity based on religion, gender and/or sex ("traditional values").
But on the other extreme are those who want to ban things they don't like or restrict people's freedom and opportunity based on religion, gender and/or sex ("traditional values").
Teaching kids not to hate and to accept the LGBT community isn't an extreme at all, though. That's an admirable thing.
I think the dressing up in drag and waving dicks around in kids faces…..is actually a ruse. I think those are the MAP paedophiles portraying themselves as LGBT as a trojan horse, or conservatives who hate LGBT and want to mimic them to demonise them.
LGBT don't want anything to do with either faction. At any rate, I can't see LGBT acceptance being taught to people as some sort of extreme.
Back off, Warchild.
Seriously.
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