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post 1489968101 04-05-2017, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted By cncman
face pulls destroy my upper/inner traps. only way I've ever felt them sore, legit
go lighter and don't emphasize the squeeze in your traps if you want to feel them more in your rear delts. i'm talking 3 sets of 25 a lot less weight, you'll be surprised brah! I usually just do farmers walks with the trap deadlift bar/dumbbells for my traps, and heavy shrugs/rack pulls above the knee
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post 1489970611 04-05-2017, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace
I was doing the math on a recomp.. and it makes no fukin sense

If my maintenance is 2000 calories and I lift 4x a week, assuming each workout burns 200 calories..

Day 1 - 2400 calories, lift (2200 net)
Day 2 - 1600 calories, rest
Day 3 - 2400 calories, lift (2200 net)
Day 4 - 1600 calories, rest
Day 5 - 2400 calories, lift (2200 net)
Day 6 - 1600 calories, rest
Day 7 - 2400 calories, lift (2200 net)

That's a total surplus of 800 calories from my lifting days, and a deficit of 1200 calories on my rest days. So my weekly net would be -400 calories.

If I bumped up my lift day calories to 2600, my surplus would be 1600 calories, with a deficit of 1200 calories on my rest days. So my weekly net would be +400 calories. I'll use this for what follows.

Over six months (~24 weeks) I'd be at a surplus of 9,600 calories, or 2.75lbs. I'd essentially be putting on 3lbs ofweightover 6 months.

However, my total surplus on lifting days over 24 weeks would end up being 38,400 calories, or 11lbs. Assuming 75% of that is muscle, that's roughly 8lbs of muscle and 3lbs of fat.

On the other side, my total deficit would be 28,800 calories, or 8lbs of fat loss. Assuming 75% of that loss is fat, that's a 6lb loss of fat, and 2lb loss os muscle.

So adding everything up, I would end up putting on 6lbs of muscle and losing 3lbs of fat, over 24 weeks, all the while staying lean. Over a year I would be putting on 12lbs of muscle and losing 6lbs of fat. Is that considered good progress?



Doing a traditional bulk with .5lbs/week gain, over 20 weeks I could put on 10lbs, maybe 8lbs of muscle and 2lbs of fat. If I cut over 4 weeks I may be able to lose 3lbs of fat and 1lb of muscle, for a net gain of 7lbs of muscle and 1lb loss of fat. Over a year I would put on 14lbs of muscle and lose 2lbs of fat.


Which do you guys think would be better?

I get the feeling that I would prefer a recomp for reasons stated earlier; never want to gain fat again. I am as lean as my avi right now.
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace
I was doing the math on a recomp.. and it makes no fukin sense

If my maintenance is 2000 calories and I lift 4x a week, assuming each workout burns 200 calories..

Day 1 - 2400 calories, lift (2200 net)
Day 2 - 1600 calories, rest
Day 3 - 2400 calories, lift (2200 net)
Day 4 - 1600 calories, rest
Day 5 - 2400 calories, lift (2200 net)
Day 6 - 1600 calories, rest
Day 7 - 2400 calories, lift (2200 net)

That's a total surplus of 800 calories from my lifting days, and a deficit of 1200 calories on my rest days. So my weekly net would be -400 calories.

If I bumped up my lift day calories to 2600, my surplus would be 1600 calories, with a deficit of 1200 calories on my rest days. So my weekly net would be +400 calories. I'll use this for what follows.

Over six months (~24 weeks) I'd be at a surplus of 9,600 calories, or 2.75lbs. I'd essentially be putting on 3lbs ofweightover 6 months.

However, my total surplus on lifting days over 24 weeks would end up being 38,400 calories, or 11lbs. Assuming 75% of that is muscle, that's roughly 8lbs of muscle and 3lbs of fat.

On the other side, my total deficit would be 28,800 calories, or 8lbs of fat loss. Assuming 75% of that loss is fat, that's a 6lb loss of fat, and 2lb loss os muscle.

So adding everything up, I would end up putting on 6lbs of muscle and losing 3lbs of fat, over 24 weeks, all the while staying lean. Over a year I would be putting on 12lbs of muscle and losing 6lbs of fat. Is that considered good progress?



Doing a traditional bulk with .5lbs/week gain, over 20 weeks I could put on 10lbs, maybe 8lbs of muscle and 2lbs of fat. If I cut over 4 weeks I may be able to lose 3lbs of fat and 1lb of muscle, for a net gain of 7lbs of muscle and 1lb loss of fat. Over a year I would put on 14lbs of muscle and lose 2lbs of fat.


Which do you guys think would be better?

I get the feeling that I would prefer a recomp for reasons stated earlier; never want to gain fat again. I am as lean as my avi right now.
tl/dr
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace
I was doing the math on a recomp.. and it makes no fukin sense

If my maintenance is 2000 calories and I lift 4x a week, assuming each workout burns 200 calories..

Day 1 - 2400 calories, lift (2200 net)
Day 2 - 1600 calories, rest
Day 3 - 2400 calories, lift (2200 net)
Day 4 - 1600 calories, rest
Day 5 - 2400 calories, lift (2200 net)
Day 6 - 1600 calories, rest
Day 7 - 2400 calories, lift (2200 net)

That's a total surplus of 800 calories from my lifting days, and a deficit of 1200 calories on my rest days. So my weekly net would be -400 calories.

If I bumped up my lift day calories to 2600, my surplus would be 1600 calories, with a deficit of 1200 calories on my rest days. So my weekly net would be +400 calories. I'll use this for what follows.

Over six months (~24 weeks) I'd be at a surplus of 9,600 calories, or 2.75lbs. I'd essentially be putting on 3lbs ofweightover 6 months.

However, my total surplus on lifting days over 24 weeks would end up being 38,400 calories, or 11lbs. Assuming 75% of that is muscle, that's roughly 8lbs of muscle and 3lbs of fat.

On the other side, my total deficit would be 28,800 calories, or 8lbs of fat loss. Assuming 75% of that loss is fat, that's a 6lb loss of fat, and 2lb loss os muscle.

So adding everything up, I would end up putting on 6lbs of muscle and losing 3lbs of fat, over 24 weeks, all the while staying lean. Over a year I would be putting on 12lbs of muscle and losing 6lbs of fat. Is that considered good progress?



Doing a traditional bulk with .5lbs/week gain, over 20 weeks I could put on 10lbs, maybe 8lbs of muscle and 2lbs of fat. If I cut over 4 weeks I may be able to lose 3lbs of fat and 1lb of muscle, for a net gain of 7lbs of muscle and 1lb loss of fat. Over a year I would put on 14lbs of muscle and lose 2lbs of fat.


Which do you guys think would be better?

I get the feeling that I would prefer a recomp for reasons stated earlier; never want to gain fat again. I am as lean as my avi right now.
That isn't how the body works....
You will use up glycogen during workouts and should be refueling after. Not to mention metabolic activity is raise from working out some studies show increased fat burning for up to 24 hrs after working out. Also if you were to use glycogen in your muscle, your muscle will absorb more and be sensitive for again up to 24hrs. So if you did HILT in the afternoon you would have a big dinner then would want to have a decent size breakfast. Your plan could be somewhat effective if you had a early like 5 or 6 am workout.

But even still going into a calorie deficit will change hormone levels. In a natural lifter recomp after your first year of training isn't likely.

Also, again as a natural you will only hold so much muscle you may put on 10-15 on your first year, 8 on your 2nd 4 on your 3rd and keep going in half. This is different for adolescents who are growing, or people who are underweight like anorexics.

You have no stats and guessing avi is fake, but if you have been lifting for more than a couple years look at gaining 2-4 lbs of muscle this year at best.
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post 1489973441 04-05-2017, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace
I was doing the math on a recomp.. and it makes no fukin sense

If my maintenance is 2000 calories and I lift 4x a week, assuming each workout burns 200 calories..

Day 1 - 2400 calories, lift (2200 net)
Day 2 - 1600 calories, rest
Day 3 - 2400 calories, lift (2200 net)
Day 4 - 1600 calories, rest
Day 5 - 2400 calories, lift (2200 net)
Day 6 - 1600 calories, rest
Day 7 - 2400 calories, lift (2200 net)

That's a total surplus of 800 calories from my lifting days, and a deficit of 1200 calories on my rest days. So my weekly net would be -400 calories.

If I bumped up my lift day calories to 2600, my surplus would be 1600 calories, with a deficit of 1200 calories on my rest days. So my weekly net would be +400 calories. I'll use this for what follows.

Over six months (~24 weeks) I'd be at a surplus of 9,600 calories, or 2.75lbs. I'd essentially be putting on 3lbs ofweightover 6 months.

However, my total surplus on lifting days over 24 weeks would end up being 38,400 calories, or 11lbs. Assuming 75% of that is muscle, that's roughly 8lbs of muscle and 3lbs of fat.

On the other side, my total deficit would be 28,800 calories, or 8lbs of fat loss. Assuming 75% of that loss is fat, that's a 6lb loss of fat, and 2lb loss os muscle.

So adding everything up, I would end up putting on 6lbs of muscle and losing 3lbs of fat, over 24 weeks, all the while staying lean. Over a year I would be putting on 12lbs of muscle and losing 6lbs of fat. Is that considered good progress?



Doing a traditional bulk with .5lbs/week gain, over 20 weeks I could put on 10lbs, maybe 8lbs of muscle and 2lbs of fat. If I cut over 4 weeks I may be able to lose 3lbs of fat and 1lb of muscle, for a net gain of 7lbs of muscle and 1lb loss of fat. Over a year I would put on 14lbs of muscle and lose 2lbs of fat.


Which do you guys think would be better?

I get the feeling that I would prefer a recomp for reasons stated earlier; never want to gain fat again. I am as lean as my avi right now.
How much do you weigh?
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post 1489976711 04-05-2017, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace
I was doing the math on a recomp.. and it makes no fukin sense

If my maintenance is 2000 calories and I lift 4x a week, assuming each workout burns 200 calories..

Day 1 - 2400 calories, lift (2200 net)
Day 2 - 1600 calories, rest
Day 3 - 2400 calories, lift (2200 net)
Day 4 - 1600 calories, rest
Day 5 - 2400 calories, lift (2200 net)
Day 6 - 1600 calories, rest
Day 7 - 2400 calories, lift (2200 net)

That's a total surplus of 800 calories from my lifting days, and a deficit of 1200 calories on my rest days. So my weekly net would be -400 calories.

If I bumped up my lift day calories to 2600, my surplus would be 1600 calories, with a deficit of 1200 calories on my rest days. So my weekly net would be +400 calories. I'll use this for what follows.

Over six months (~24 weeks) I'd be at a surplus of 9,600 calories, or 2.75lbs. I'd essentially be putting on 3lbs ofweightover 6 months.

However, my total surplus on lifting days over 24 weeks would end up being 38,400 calories, or 11lbs. Assuming 75% of that is muscle, that's roughly 8lbs of muscle and 3lbs of fat.

On the other side, my total deficit would be 28,800 calories, or 8lbs of fat loss. Assuming 75% of that loss is fat, that's a 6lb loss of fat, and 2lb loss os muscle.

So adding everything up, I would end up putting on 6lbs of muscle and losing 3lbs of fat, over 24 weeks, all the while staying lean. Over a year I would be putting on 12lbs of muscle and losing 6lbs of fat. Is that considered good progress?



Doing a traditional bulk with .5lbs/week gain, over 20 weeks I could put on 10lbs, maybe 8lbs of muscle and 2lbs of fat. If I cut over 4 weeks I may be able to lose 3lbs of fat and 1lb of muscle, for a net gain of 7lbs of muscle and 1lb loss of fat. Over a year I would put on 14lbs of muscle and lose 2lbs of fat.


Which do you guys think would be better?

I get the feeling that I would prefer a recomp for reasons stated earlier; never want to gain fat again. I am as lean as my avi right now.
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post 1489980451 04-05-2017, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace
Which do you guys think would be better?
Yeah sure that would work if your body operated on whatever 24 week cycle you just came up with. How about eat slightly above maintenance every day and if you gain too much weight then drop your calories for a week. No calorie wizardry necessary. And just lol if you think you're gonna put on a pound of muscle per month on a 1600 average surplus per month.
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Facepulls are the goat, but ya do them light. Other goat is to take one of those elastic exercise bands chicks love and just do band pull aparts, and band pull aparts over your head (from directly over your head, to arms separated but with the band coming behind your head...probably butchered this explanation but im sure someone could name it for me). Bands were one of the first things that alleviated my scapular pain.
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Originally Posted By Bonnappe
Irrelevant until it goes through peer review and they actually release the full paper.
Originally Posted By Melis689
Where the fuk ismh22? I'm gona kill him for suggesting upping my carbs for two weeks.
yea fuk that guy

Spoiler!
pretty sure it was me who said that ayy, it most likely did you hella good btw
Originally Posted By TugOfPeace
A pound of muscle only has 600 calories. Not sure why you think it wouldn't be possible.

On top of that, my "24 week cycle" is just an extrapolation of what the results would be based on a single week.
It just doesn't work like that. MPS itself requires quite a bit of energy, even 3 days of dieting already reduces basal MPS.

You are too lean and trained to recomp efficiently. You can maybe bring up your detrained legs but other than that you will just end up wheelspinning.
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Originally Posted By Dan_Staat
Ayyy lmao we know the bosna game has the use of Camel Turkish Royals written in the rule books
Marlboro white is most popular here, ''Drina'' is the poverty version, a couple of years ago a pack was like 0.5$

anyways, I've been smoking for a year and a half and stopped last september after my last final exam - won't let myself fall back into it, it's a horrible habit and there's much better ways of ruining my health
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Spoiler!


Chicken broc**** stir fry with spinach salad and orange "slices" on top. And a protein shake.
130g protein
7g fat
50g carb

I just want a ballpark hot dog, brahs (no homo). fuuuuu
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Posting this to hold myself accountable .... 210lbs right now at 8% BF ... I NEED to go keto for the next few weeks and drop down to 5% and see how I look. I'm doing two a days around my hectic schedule but this past week my calories/carbs have been higher than needed. Sadly I really don't cut well except on near nil carbs to get that extra freaky look.

Starting tomorrow/Thursday no more ****ing around .... 3 weeks of absolutely killing it. All I do is win so I sure as **** better be able to go. A few measly weeks carbless.

(Sorry - posting it here helps hold me more accountable. If you see me posting pester the **** out of me making sure I follow thru. If I do not than neg me into oblivion.)
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Originally Posted By yourfuzzybear
Spoiler!


Chicken broc**** stir fry with spinach salad and orange "slices" on top. And a protein shake.
130g protein
7g fat
50g carb

I just want a ballpark hot dog, brahs (no homo). fuuuuu
looks better than all my meals looks combined
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Originally Posted By cncman
Yohimbe, Lean Extreme, Green tea extract, Ginseng, CoQ-10

Bloat: greek yogurt (15 carbs tho), H20, kill other dairy
This lean xtreme. Is it safe for women to take? Seen a few mixed reviews but apparently they've changed the formula since
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Coffee, green tea and white monsters lol
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yea fuk that guy

Spoiler!
pretty sure it was me who said that ayy, it most likely did you hella good btw

Oh fuk it WAS you! My bad. Def did my mind good anyway
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ate 4000 keto calories yesterday, weighed in 400g lighter this morning

metabolic ward study debunked brahs














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can confirm i was ketone
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace
rant
I feel like your ED could be worse than mine is, as crazy as that sounds srs
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Originally Posted By Jherewhoisdere
can confirm i was ketone
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Originally Posted By Hamzzza
Marlboro white is most popular here, ''Drina'' is the poverty version, a couple of years ago a pack was like 0.5$

anyways, I've been smoking for a year and a half and stopped last september after my last final exam - won't let myself fall back into it, it's a horrible habit and there's much better ways of ruining my health
Feels.

I quit in the middle of August as well. I don't feel any different thiugh, maybe I'm already dead.








Tug you need to fukkin chill 100% srs. 5'9 130lbs has a lot of mass left to grow. Weight is relevant. That's bird bone sized. Nobody but you sees your "love handles" when you hit 135lbs with 1lbs of fat gain, 2lbs of water and 2lbs of glycogen.

Fukkin relax dog you're wearing yourself out about legitimate NON-issues.


And I'm sorry to say but staying single digit bodyfat and bulking as a natty is a pipe dream bro. It won't happen. Either you'll gain fat or you'll give up. Quote this for future reference.
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Originally Posted By Dan_Staat
Tug you need to fukkin chill 100% srs. 5'9 130lbs has a lot of mass left to grow. Weight is relevant. That's bird bone sized. Nobody but you sees your "love handles" when you hit 135lbs with 1lbs of fat gain, 2lbs of water and 2lbs of glycogen.

Fukkin relax dog you're wearing yourself out about legitimate NON-issues.


And I'm sorry to say but staying single digit bodyfat and bulking as a natty is a pipe dream bro. It won't happen. Either you'll gain fat or you'll give up. Quote this for future reference.
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weighed 181.2 at the gym today

might begin to bulk up to 195 or so

im expecting to be 185-186 once i eat some carbs and gain back the lost water weight
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Originally Posted By mccoy19
Posting this to hold myself accountable .... 210lbs right now at 8% BF ... I NEED to go keto for the next few weeks and drop down to 5% and see how I look. I'm doing two a days around my hectic schedule but this past week my calories/carbs have been higher than needed. Sadly I really don't cut well except on near nil carbs to get that extra freaky look.
I did keto the last few weeks of my prep.
I got pretty shredded
See avi
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Originally Posted By mccoy19
Starting tomorrow/Thursday no more ****ing around .... 3 weeks of absolutely killing it. All I do is win so I sure as **** better be able to go. A few measly weeks carbless...
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Originally Posted By Pungiish
looks better than all my meals looks combined
Pungi!!

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And I'm sorry to say but staying single digit bodyfat and bulking as a natty is a pipe dream bro. It won't happen. Either you'll gain fat or you'll give up. Quote this for future reference.
this
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post 1490060171 04-06-2017, 12:32 PM
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i have a srs fkn issue... last 2-3 weeks been waking up after one hour of sleep to eat something

last night had 3 granola bars ( 390 cals ) and 2 puddings (120 cals)

fuk this **** gonna slow down my weight loss
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post 1490061731 04-06-2017, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted By SELVER7
i have a srs fkn issue... last 2-3 weeks been waking up after one hour of sleep to eat something

last night had 3 granola bars ( 390 cals ) and 2 puddings (120 cals)

fuk this **** gonna slow down my weight loss
Throw away your granola bars and pudding
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post 1490062021 04-06-2017, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted By SELVER7
i have a srs fkn issue... last 2-3 weeks been waking up after one hour of sleep to eat something

last night had 3 granola bars ( 390 cals ) and 2 puddings (120 cals)

fuk this **** gonna slow down my weight loss
the secret is to crush them up and eat them off the floor
post 1490063721 04-06-2017, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted By Gibb1991
Throw away your granola bars and pudding
it was my brothers -_-
and pudding is there to keep me away from going depressed without any sugar lol
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post 1490065021 04-06-2017, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted By SELVER7
it was my brothers -_-
and pudding is there to keep me away from going depressed without any sugar lol
Get the sugar free pudding mix powder. Mix that **** in greek yogurt, add some frozen berries. Your welcome for the goat dessert.
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post 1490065071 04-06-2017, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted By SELVER7
it was my brothers -_-
and pudding is there to keep me away from going depressed without any sugar lol
Walden farm syrup + plain greek yogurt
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