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02-13-2019, 11:23 AM
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Sounds like a real possibility Arizona might consider Murray with the first pick. Let’s hope.
I call BS but as long as someone takes QB #1 overall I'm happy as a pig in chit.

I see some people are trying to put down Bosa cuz of his injury history…hopefully Arizona thinks that way too.

If we're smart in free agency and Bosa is our pick at #2 overall I don't even care how the rest of the draft unfolds I think it will be a huge success and improvement next year.

And as crazy as Antonio Brown is I hope we make a run at him. Next year's 2nd and let's get it done.

What I'd love to see happen…

Re-sign Robbie Gould
Extend DBuck

Sign Earl Thomas, Anthony Barr, Preston Smith, Matt Paradis and John Brown.

Draft(Going off Draft Wire 7 rounder)

1. Nick Bosa - EDGE
2. Riley Ridley - WR( this would be the pick I target for trade down)
3. Garrett Bradbury - C/G
4. Andy Isabella - WR
6. Michael Jordan - G
6b. Comp pick - Dawson Knox - TE
7. Sutton Smith - Sam/EDGE/Special teams
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02-13-2019, 11:57 AM
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At this point I’d be fine with just giving our current 2nd. I know it’s a high pick and I’d love to keep it but AB is absolutely worth that pick. Even if he’s only AB for 2 years and then has a rough 3rd year and causing chemistry issues. He’s Kyle’s ideal WR on a friendly deal. AB + Bosa + ET and a couple other small signings and we are looking like a legit SB contender.
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02-21-2019, 08:50 AM
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Really want John Brown this off-season. Should be relatively cheap.

Guy has always shown a lot of potential but his health has never been great with his sickle cell disease. He was really impressive wth Baltimore last year until Lamar Jackson took over. He only had 8 catches in 7 games with Lamar. Before that he had 34 catches for 601 yards and 4 TD’s. He’d be far better than anything we have outside of Pettis.
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02-21-2019, 03:36 PM
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Thoughts on this off-season?


Re-sign Robbie Gould 3 year/ 9 mil
Sign Earl Thomas 3 year/ 45 mil
Sign Brandon Graham 4 year/ 48 mil
Sign CB Bryce Callahan 2 year/ 10 mil
Sign John Brown 3 year/ 16 mil



1. Nick Bosa/Josh Allen EDGE
2. Byron Murphy CB
3. Mack Wilson LB




We trust Shanny with the offense, recognize he’s getting back his star QB, his preferred (presumably) running back who could be a carbon copy of Breida when Breida is limping around, and we’re giving you a quality receiver that can take the top off of a defense. You have a solid offensive line, an elite tight end, a young receiver that showed some flashes of elite route running and quickness in Pettis and another receiver that has his ups and downs but has good chemistry with Jimmy G in Goodwin. We’ll look later in the draft to get some more weapons and some interior line help….


…And we’re going all in on defense this offseason. This is a make or break year for Salah. Here’s 5 new starters and a nickle corner, including 2 stud pass rushers and an elite safety that knows your scheme. If you can’t get the job done with this group of guys then you’re gone. Shanny isn’t worrying about the offense and he’s just grinding coming up with schemes to get the ball into the hands of some explosive players.
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02-22-2019, 06:37 AM
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Really want John Brown this off-season. Should be relatively cheap.

Guy has always shown a lot of potential but his health has never been great with his sickle cell disease. He was really impressive wth Baltimore last year until Lamar Jackson took over. He only had 8 catches in 7 games with Lamar. Before that he had 34 catches for 601 yards and 4 TD’s. He’d be far better than anything we have outside of Pettis.
I like Brown, he'd be a pretty good and likely not super expensive signing. This FA WR class is pretty weak so if we're looking at WR help it likely will come via trade or draft.

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Thoughts on this off-season?


Re-sign Robbie Gould 3 year/ 9 mil
Sign Earl Thomas 3 year/ 45 mil
Sign Brandon Graham 4 year/ 48 mil
Sign CB Bryce Callahan 2 year/ 10 mil
Sign John Brown 3 year/ 16 mil



1. Nick Bosa/Josh Allen EDGE
2. Byron Murphy CB
3. Mack Wilson LB




We trust Shanny with the offense, recognize he’s getting back his star QB, his preferred (presumably) running back who could be a carbon copy of Breida when Breida is limping around, and we’re giving you a quality receiver that can take the top off of a defense. You have a solid offensive line, an elite tight end, a young receiver that showed some flashes of elite route running and quickness in Pettis and another receiver that has his ups and downs but has good chemistry with Jimmy G in Goodwin. We’ll look later in the draft to get some more weapons and some interior line help….


…And we’re going all in on defense this offseason. This is a make or break year for Salah. Here’s 5 new starters and a nickle corner, including 2 stud pass rushers and an elite safety that knows your scheme. If you can’t get the job done with this group of guys then you’re gone. Shanny isn’t worrying about the offense and he’s just grinding coming up with schemes to get the ball into the hands of some explosive players.
I'd love that but not sure it's super realistic in terms of the draft. I love Byron Murphy and think he's the best corner in this class so don't see him falling to the 2nd round. Also not sure if Wilson falls to round 3 considering this LB class is pretty weak overall. I've seen a bunch of places that have him as the 2nd/3rd LB in this class so that's typically late 1st/2nd round spot.

I really hope we open up our purse strings this offseason and make the key moves. I'm still really bummed out about Reuben Foster situation. Would've been much better shape right now if we had Warner and Foster with no off the field issues with Foster. I still think best way to upgrade our LB corps is via FA, probably the best of the FA group is at LB this year.

If I had my wish list and trying to keep it fairly realistic I'm going

FA:

Robbie Gould - tag him if we have to
Earl Thomas - this is huge for me. #1 want in free agency. Hopefully the money and the chance to play with Sherman in a scheme he's familiar with and a chance to stick it to Seattle twice a year trumps his want to play in Dallas. He'll help stabilize our secondary even more and offer another coach on the field.
Anthony Barr - very stable LB for Minnesota, great fit at SAM and someone who can help the pass rush on obvious pass rush situations. (Preston Smith would be my backup if Barr got too pricey)
Jordan Hicks - don't think ILB market has been huge in recent years and Hicks is a pretty good in coverage. I'm thinking our LBers would be Barr(Sam), Warner(Mike), Hicks(Will)
Brandon Graham - gives us flexibility going into the draft and adds a guy who may not have huge sack totals but constantly causing havoc in the backfield. I see him mostly playing LDE.
Ramon Foster/Roger Saffold - this would be icing on an already pretty expensive cake. I think more likely is we try to re-sign Person and draft his eventual replacement.


Draft: Going off a 7 round mock to keep myself honest.
https://draftwire.usatoday.com/2019/...nnen-williams/

1. Nick Bosa - praying Arizona or better yet a team trading up for a QB leaves him on the board for us. I'm not worried about the injuries. The guy is a freak and better than his brother. We draft him and the rest of the draft is just icing on the cake.

2. TJ Hockenson - Doubt he'll actually be here but I wouldn't be able to pass up the opportunity to have the craziest 12/22 personnel group out there or protect us if anything happened to Kittle. Teams would have a damn tough time playing us heavy vs pass or run in those formations. Shanahan could have field days getting guys wide open or running for big gains.

3. Garrett Bradbury - Love this kid for our scheme. I think he would have chance to start if we didn't sign a big name G FA. Could play C or G and become our long term starter depending how the starters at each one do. Security if Richburg keeps getting hurt or plays poorly.

4. Andy Isabella - This kid will likely go higher but he was available so I'm taking him. Small school but the production is crazy. Has all the stuff that Shanahan loves. Routes, quickness, change of direction. Size isn't great but he's bigger than Antonio Brown and he's not having too many issues.

6. Lonnie Johnson - scheme fit, size matches what we keep looking for in corners. Developmental guy who can learn from Sherman and Thomas.

7. Sutton Smith - Size is an issue but production is off the charts. At worst I think he's a terrific special teams guy. I think he can help in spot duty as a rusher as well. Kid has 29 sacks last 2 seasons combined.


What i'm thinking for starting roster

Jimmy G
McKinnon/Breida
Pettis/Goodwin/Isabella/Bourne & FA for depth
Kittle/Hockenson
Staley, Tomlinson, Richburg, Bradbury, McGlinchey

Graham, Buckner, Thomas, Bosa
Barr, Warner, Hicks
Witherspoon, Thomas, Tartt, Sherman


WRs would still be prove it type but the defense would take a huge step forward and with the TEs we have and Shanahan coaching the offense with Jimmy back and the OL which should be improved I think that's a playoff roster.

Of course there would be a lot of things that would have to fall into place for it to happen.
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02-22-2019, 07:42 AM
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Idk why Barr doesn’t excite me. I know he’s an upgrade for us but to me he’s been a disappointment as an NFL player. I’d welcome him if he was cheap though.

Draft is still so far away it’s so hard to say who will be available where. I was using Walter Football knowing it’s not the best place but one of the few with mocks passed the first round.

I’d actually be really curious to see our D-line with Graham and Bosa, not just because I think it’d be great, but I’d love to see if Thomas could make a jump. With those two guys and DFo, he should have plenty of opportunity to make plays.

I’m so fukking excited for this offseason. I was last year as well but this year having the #2 pick and a chance at a generational talent, and I think Lynch knows he has to make some big moves in FA/trades, we’re gonna be looking a different team next season. I think Lynch was a little fooled by that run with Jimmy G and after seeing the team, even with a Jimmy last year, he knows we need some players.
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02-22-2019, 07:53 AM
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Idk why Barr doesn’t excite me. I know he’s an upgrade for us but to me he’s been a disappointment as an NFL player. I’d welcome him if he was cheap though.

Draft is still so far away it’s so hard to say who will be available where. I was using Walter Football knowing it’s not the best place but one of the few with mocks passed the first round.

I’d actually be really curious to see our D-line with Graham and Bosa, not just because I think it’d be great, but I’d love to see if Thomas could make a jump. With those two guys and DFo, he should have plenty of opportunity to make plays.

I’m so fukking excited for this offseason. I was last year as well but this year having the #2 pick and a chance at a generational talent, and I think Lynch knows he has to make some big moves in FA/trades, we’re gonna be looking a different team next season. I think Lynch was a little fooled by that run with Jimmy G and after seeing the team, even with a Jimmy last year, he knows we need some players.
I agree, i think we may have bought into the hype of 2017 finish a bit. Hopefully we learned some valuable lessons from not only what happened last year but Reuben Foster.

Definitely need Thomas to play inside and step up his game. I love the kid and what happened with his sister is tragic but he has to play better next year.

I also think Kyle and John understand year 3 is a year you have to start winning games. Maybe it's not time for what the Rams tried to do last year but when you have that cap space, you have the #2 pick in the draft you have to make moves.

Hopefully they do just that and we finally get some luck going our way.
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02-22-2019, 02:03 PM
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I think the team if we make any big signings will only be at WR, CB, DE, LB, or S. Don't see us going after Bell at all, and don't want us to. AB and OBJ I don't mind a trade for but think at this point the price better be damn right to deal with both of their personas. In the words of Singletary I want winners. I want to know their on field contributions won't be canceled out by dramatic behavior or off field BS.

I fully support going after Earl Thomas or Jalen Ramsey if we can. In general I think we need to prioritize defense for sure, offensively I only feel OL and WR is lacking in spots but other than that anything else would be cherry on top. I think we will prioritize draft over FA and trades but if the right deal is there to be had I think this front office pulls the trigger this offseason.

As far as draft goes I don't pay enough attention but don't want Bosa I think he's overhyped for no reason. I also don't want another interior lineman. I think Solly will have a breakout (maybe not breakout, but much better year this year) and we need to focus on finding a MLB to partner with Warner and an edge rusher, or two for that matter to help the interior and the secondary. I don't necessarily know exactly who those guys will be but I hope we get the right ones. We can't **** up at #2 this year, we just can't.
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02-22-2019, 09:10 PM
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I think the team if we make any big signings will only be at WR, CB, DE, LB, or S. Don't see us going after Bell at all, and don't want us to. AB and OBJ I don't mind a trade for but think at this point the price better be damn right to deal with both of their personas. In the words of Singletary I want winners. I want to know their on field contributions won't be canceled out by dramatic behavior or off field BS.

I fully support going after Earl Thomas or Jalen Ramsey if we can. In general I think we need to prioritize defense for sure, offensively I only feel OL and WR is lacking in spots but other than that anything else would be cherry on top. I think we will prioritize draft over FA and trades but if the right deal is there to be had I think this front office pulls the trigger this offseason.

As far as draft goes I don't pay enough attention but don't want Bosa I think he's overhyped for no reason. I also don't want another interior lineman. I think Solly will have a breakout (maybe not breakout, but much better year this year) and we need to focus on finding a MLB to partner with Warner and an edge rusher, or two for that matter to help the interior and the secondary. I don't necessarily know exactly who those guys will be but I hope we get the right ones. We can't **** up at #2 this year, we just can't.
There is a very clear reason why Bosa is hyped the way he is and none of it is for no reason my dude. Before you say you don't want someone I highly recommend you look at some of his work. His stats aren't sexy but his play is…

Here are a couple of plays from one game that show several moves

https://twitter.com/baldynfl/status/1096926879032983552

Some more

https://twitter.com/11w/status/906699989069557761?s=21
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https://twitter.com/mike_woellert/st...278876160?s=21
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02-23-2019, 07:52 AM
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Genus for me its just lack of time to prove it, I'm sure his talent is there, but so far his durability isn't and he didn't play long enough to convince me of the hype. That's where I'm coming from not knocking his talent or potential. I just think he's super risky pick at that spot. If he played all year and dominated I wouldn't be feeling the same way.
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02-23-2019, 07:59 AM
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Genus for me its just lack of time to prove it, I'm sure his talent is there, but so far his durability isn't and he didn't play long enough to convince me of the hype. That's where I'm coming from not knocking his talent or potential. I just think he's super risky pick at that spot. If he played all year and dominated I wouldn't be feeling the same way.
He’s so polished with his technique. He’s so hyped because if he stays healthy he’s a guarantee (as close as you can get) to be a stud.

Josh Allen might have more upside because of his athleticism but his technique is so far behind Bosa’s. Allen is still pretty raw and hasn’t developed all the pass rush moves. He almost always played standing up at the line as well so it’s not easy to assume he can play with his hand in the dirt.

I do love Allen as well and will be happy with either but ultimately I think Bosa is the safer pick.
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02-23-2019, 07:51 PM
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Genus for me its just lack of time to prove it, I'm sure his talent is there, but so far his durability isn't and he didn't play long enough to convince me of the hype. That's where I'm coming from not knocking his talent or potential. I just think he's super risky pick at that spot. If he played all year and dominated I wouldn't be feeling the same way.
His durability issues are way overblown though.

He tore his acl in HS, he's clearly shown he's healed and playing in a dominant fashion. So good in fact that when he suffered his hernia injury this year he could miss the rest of the season and be a top 2 pick based on everything he's shown so far. He's that good.

If he didn't suffer the hernia this year he would've had 10+ sacks easily. Guy was playing lights out those first 3 games before the injury.

And it's a hernia injury, not something that is recurring if healed properly. He chose to heal properly and not rush back for games that can't improve his draft stock but could leave him at risk for more injury. It was a smart move to heal and concentrate on the draft.

I hope Arizona gets scared away. One of our best players was Frank Gore, a man about as injury prone as you can get in college. I'm taking the talent all day. This is different than taking a guy who is hurt heading into the draft.
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02-24-2019, 08:54 AM
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That's fair, I just don't want us to **** up the pick. If that means Bosa and it pans out well I'll be hyped.
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02-26-2019, 09:20 AM
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AB might be available for less than what was expected. Apparently only 3 teams have expressed interest. He’s due a 2.5 million bonus on March 18th. And he’s already asking for a new contract.

If we could get him without losing any of our first round picks or are second this year then I’m all in. He’s worth the risk.
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02-26-2019, 09:28 AM
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I’m out on him. He wants more money and is a heartbroken woman right now. We start slow or don’t feed him, he becomes a real headache. Dude is a complete weirdo.

I love the idea of a playmaker and want to push Goodwin (or move him), but wish it could be someone else.
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02-26-2019, 09:49 AM
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I’m out on him. He wants more money and is a heartbroken woman right now. We start slow or don’t feed him, he becomes a real headache. Dude is a complete weirdo.

I love the idea of a playmaker and want to push Goodwin (or move him), but wish it could be someone else.
Let’s not forget he was the best receiver in the league for years with no drama attached to him. Last year was the first year he came off his rocker, but to be fair that entire Steelers team was a mess. I don’t believe he’s a full blown headcase. There were times where guys like Brandon Marshall and Randy Moss seemed like they were too far gone emotionally to be good teammates but ended up turning it around.

If trading for AB forces us to give him a contract that doesn’t allow us to sign Earl Thomas and a pass rusher in FA then I’d pass too. I’d rather sign a pass rusher, ET and John Brown and keep the draft pick(s). AB would make our offense so dangerous but we have so many holes on defense we need to fill.
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02-26-2019, 10:19 AM
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Robbie Gould franchise tagged….thank you ShanaLynch for not being nice guys and looking out for the team success. Hopefully that can lead to a long term deal so we don't have to do this dance for a while.
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btw for the bros who like the NFL draft or want to know more about it. Best place out there right now IMO is draft network.


https://thedraftnetwork.com/

I was following a lot of these guys before they came together to do their own site and they've just improved it and added a mock draft simulator…which unlike first-pick and fanduel or whtaever the other one is is actually legit and makes it hard to walk away with all star teams.

Just ran a sim(unfortunately no trade down options yet)

2. Brian Burns, EDGE
36. Dalton Risner, OT/OG
67. Deebo Samuel, WR
98. Oshane Ximines, EDGE
163. Derrick Baity, CB
221. Khalil Hodge, LB

I'd love to trade down in the first and still land Burns but I'm ok with him being the pick assuming he shows what I'm expecting at the combine.
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Glad we tagged Robbie, kickers last year were so bad I thought about trying out but he has done his job well and hopefully will continue that.

Still on the fence about AB, something just feels off about him right now and what his future holds.
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Eagles resigned Brandon Graham
Surprising and a bummer…hopefully we can get another edge rusher in FA and then pray the Murray hype helps ensure Bosa is our pick at #2
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03-02-2019, 11:00 AM
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How about now Genus with brown saying any team will have to play by his rules because he doesn’t need football? I’ve neevr seen a guy go as off the rails so discretely…not sure if it’s the game/diva or if this dude is actually on drugs.

Remembering back to when he took a helicoptwr to training camp was enough for me to pass on him.
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How about now Genus with brown saying any team will have to play by his rules because he doesn’t need football? I’ve neevr seen a guy go as off the rails so discretely…not sure if it’s the game/diva or if this dude is actually on drugs.

Remembering back to when he took a helicoptwr to training camp was enough for me to pass on him.
We don’t need him. This draft is probably gonna let us get a nice receiver with our 2nd pick. That guy plus John Brown in FA and we’ll be fine at receiver.

Idk what AB is doing but he’s not helping his case at all. We can add a lot of talent this offseason who also happen to be good dudes for the locker room. I’m perfectly happy with that.
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03-02-2019, 01:41 PM
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There’s actually a dream scenario where we don’t get Bosa. Arizona takes Bosa and the Raiders fall in love with Kyler Murray and trade up with us. We get their #4 and #24 overall in return. We get lucky and Jets go with Williams.

4. DE Josh Allen
24. CB Byron Murphy
36. WR AJ Brown

4. DE Josh Allen
24. WR N’Keal Harry
36. LB Mack Wilson



Love Bosa but would sh*t myself if we could load up our roster like that.
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03-03-2019, 02:42 PM
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Lotta talk that Murray going to AZ. I saw the recent interview with AB and it doesn't change my opinion that I still don't know what he will or won't provide, both positively and negatively. I think we'll be fine without him anyway so probably too big of a risk to take.

So many freaky numbers coming in at the combine but some may not translate like always. Hopefully we can stack some solid talent, I have faith in KS and JL they're last two drafts we're miles ahead of Baalke's BS and even with a few misses they have done well IMO at drafting.
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03-03-2019, 04:44 PM
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Adding fuel to the Murray fire, Arizona Cardinals head coach Kliff Kingsbury was telling people last night that it’s a “done deal” the Cardinals will select the Oklahoma Sooners quarterback with the first pick of the draft.
This is nuts if true. No reason for organizations to be truthful about these things, could be just saying this to drive up the price.


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03-03-2019, 04:57 PM
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Also, we resigned LG Mike Person to a 3 year, 9 mil deal with 3 mil guaranteed.

Team-friendly deal.


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03-03-2019, 05:22 PM
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Good cheap deal. We can still upgrade but knowing at worst the line stays the same is good.

As for the draft I’m still hoping Bosa is there at 2…it would take an awful lot to move down from him for me. The guy is a day 1 stud IMO. Actually shocked he put up better numbers to Josh Allen(the ones that matter)
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03-04-2019, 09:04 AM
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Free agency is a week away. My FA plans have already been ruined by the resigning of Brandon Graham but hopefully some of the other pass rushers make it. We’re going to find out this week which of them will see free agency.

I think we can count out Lawrence, Clowney and Ford. Probably Frank Clark as well.

So if we’re choosing between Fowler, Ansah, Preston Smith and Flowers I’d honestly prefer we give Ansah a 1 year prove it deal. And if by the end of the season he’s playing great we can extend him.

So if we’re not spending big on a pass rusher this offseason we can make ET our #1 priority and then still be able to sign quite a few solid players as well. ET, Ansah, John Brown, Jordan Hicks and Bryce Callahan would be a really nice haul. And then Bosa and AJ Brown would be the icing on the cake.


I would love to add Saffold but it sounds like he’s gonna get a mega deal like Norwell got last off-season. Not sure if he’s worth it at 31 years old.
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03-04-2019, 10:49 AM
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Kawakami saying the chatter from the combine is the 49ers either want Bosa or OBJ. Thoughts? Ultimately I want Bosa but if he were gone and we got OBJ and swapped first rounders (what TK implies) with New York and drafted Burns at 6, I can’t say I’d be upset.

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