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post 1650532853 11-09-2021, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted By NuggzTheNinja⏩
We aren't watching MSM every waking free hour of the day, so we haven't been tainted with the same bs propaganda. Talk to people who watch CNN religiously...they fully expect that COVID -> hospitalization. These people are still going to the grocery store wearing gloves, goggles, face shields, the whole deal. They're using hand sanitizer like crazy. They still observe the absurd and arbitrary 6 ft "social distancing" guidance. These people are absolutely broken beyond repair, and continue to subject themselves to propaganda every day.

These people are rushing out to vaccinate their toddlers, who have less to fear from COVID than the flu. TODDLERS. These people are broken.
You’re right man. I guess I already knew that too, I just haven’t quite arrived at the point where I’m able to process that, and write some people off.

Coming to terms with the fact that some people are broken beyond repair has been especially difficult for me because my parents kinda fall into that category. Not “face shield in public” type sht, but they are lapping up every bit of the MSM narrative.

Definitely affecting our relationship.
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Originally Posted By _zman⏩
Insane that the doc didn't take his prior experiences into consideration. Just goes with the default answer of "get vaxxed"
Originally Posted By 2Rude4MyOwnGood⏩
That part was eye opening for sure.

I understand that there are lots of bad doctors out there, and I’ve dealt with many of them at my job over the years, but this example was hard for me to imagine.

I never would have thought that a medical practitioner of any type would be so completely inept at caring for a patient.
It’s 100% real and happening every day. Doctors are compromised. Doctors literally, actual literally, cannot recommended you not* get the vaccine or they will have their license revoked and be fired and never work again. All doctors have been threatened by higher ups and medical boards. Wife is a nurse and part of a big group who are getting exemptions and there are several physicians in that group and they talk about it all the time. Even our OB admitted to us they can’t not recommend it because it goes against the messaging from the medical group she is a part of.

Also nurses are having bad reactions to 1st dose, and their own doc won’t sign off on a medical exemption and the hospital they work at are still pushing them to get the 2nd dose or be fired.
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Originally Posted By 2Rude4MyOwnGood⏩
That part was eye opening for sure.

I understand that there are lots of bad doctors out there, and I’ve dealt with many of them at my job over the years, but this example was hard for me to imagine.

I never would have thought that a medical practitioner of any type would be so completely inept at caring for a patient.
The job of a physician is to learn medical terms, recognize things clinically, and then apply pre-made formulas for every possible problem. If the formula says to recommend covid boosters then that is what you do no matter what. Why? Because if the pt dies of covid then your ass is on the line for not following standard of care. Being a physician is about following guidelines and knowing which guideline to follow.

Physicians go to their respective specialty boards (pediatrician, cardiology, etc) and learn the guidelines from there. Insurance companies also have their own guidelines that you must follow or they don't pay you. Do you think most physicians scrutinize the guidelines they are required to know? No. It makes no difference if you agree or disagree with the guidelines because at the end of the day either you follow them or risk losing your license in a lawsuit. The jury isn't going to understand why you went against standard of care, they will see you by yourself saying one thing and an entire group of docs from Harvard, Yale, etc on the opposing side and they aren't going to side with you.

He who controls the guidelines controls medicine.
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Originally Posted By 2Rude4MyOwnGood⏩
You’re right man. I guess I already knew that too, I just haven’t quite arrived at the point where I’m able to process that, and write some people off.

Coming to terms with the fact that some people are broken beyond repair has been especially difficult for me because my parents kinda fall into that category. Not “face shield in public” type sht, but they are lapping up every bit of the MSM narrative.

Definitely affecting our relationship.
Anybody reporting pins and needle sensations in there arms or legs?
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post 1650536013 11-09-2021, 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted By 2Rude4MyOwnGood⏩
That part was eye opening for sure.

I understand that there are lots of bad doctors out there, and I’ve dealt with many of them at my job over the years, but this example was hard for me to imagine.

I never would have thought that a medical practitioner of any type would be so completely inept at caring for a patient.
I follow a few doctors who are strongly against the vaccine. Their explanation for the overwhelming push from most doctors is simple:

There is zero risk to you professionally or personally if you endorse the vaccine for everyone. It's what you're "supposed" to do. Your butt is covered. If you advise a single person not to get it, the risk for blowback in multiple ways is huge.
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Originally Posted By p100⏩
The job of a physician is to learn medical terms, recognize things clinically, and then apply pre-made formulas for every possible problem. If the formula says to recommend covid boosters then that is what you do no matter what. Why? Because if the pt dies of covid then your ass is on the line for not following standard of care. Being a physician is about following guidelines and knowing which guideline to follow.

Physicians go to their respective specialty boards (pediatrician, cardiology, etc) and learn the guidelines from there. Insurance companies also have their own guidelines that you must follow or they don't pay you. Do you think most physicians scrutinize the guidelines they are required to know? No. It makes no difference if you agree or disagree with the guidelines because at the end of the day either you follow them or risk losing your license in a lawsuit. The jury isn't going to understand why you went against standard of care, they will see you by yourself saying one thing and an entire group of docs from Harvard, Yale, etc on the opposing side and they aren't going to side with you.

He who controls the guidelines controls medicine.
You forgot to mention the most important part. Money. They’re getting truckloads of money from the government to push the vaccine. And then money from big pharma. They’re compromised. Has nothing to do with health.
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Originally Posted By Sinan09400⏩
Thanks to covid mandates I have learnt a lot about QR codes, adobe fonts/ sizes and general forgery
LOLyou and a few others fella
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Originally Posted By p100⏩
The job of a physician is to learn medical terms, recognize things clinically, and then apply pre-made formulas for every possible problem. If the formula says to recommend covid boosters then that is what you do no matter what. Why? Because if the pt dies of covid then your ass is on the line for not following standard of care. Being a physician is about following guidelines and knowing which guideline to follow.

Physicians go to their respective specialty boards (pediatrician, cardiology, etc) and learn the guidelines from there. Insurance companies also have their own guidelines that you must follow or they don't pay you. Do you think most physicians scrutinize the guidelines they are required to know? No. It makes no difference if you agree or disagree with the guidelines because at the end of the day either you follow them or risk losing your license in a lawsuit. The jury isn't going to understand why you went against standard of care, they will see you by yourself saying one thing and an entire group of docs from Harvard, Yale, etc on the opposing side and they aren't going to side with you.

He who controls the guidelines controls medicine.
I get what you’re saying, and you’re definitely correct about most of it. However, doctors are also (theoretically) supposed to learn about using their clinical judgement.

Hell, I’m just a paramedic and even we are taught about treating patients using our clinical judgement. We have protocols to follow as well, but exercising some judgement when treating people is a big part of the job.

I suppose the corruption runs much deeper in the hospital/private practice setting, so maybe not the best comparison.
Originally Posted By InVentive44⏩
Anybody reporting pins and needle sensations in there arms or legs?
Actually yes, a few times.

In one of those cases the lady had already seen a doctor about it, and was diagnosed with Guillain-Barre syndrome.
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Originally Posted By 2Rude4MyOwnGood⏩
I get what you’re saying, and you’re definitely correct about most of it. However, doctors are also (theoretically) supposed to learn about using their clinical judgement.

Hell, I’m just a paramedic and even we are taught about treating patients using our clinical judgement. We have protocols to follow as well, but exercising some judgement when treating people is a big part of the job.

I suppose the corruption runs much deeper in the hospital/private practice setting, so maybe not the best comparison.





Actually yes, a few times.

In one of those cases the lady had already seen a doctor about it, and was diagnosed with Guillain-Barre syndrome.
Fark my fiancé is experiencing these symptoms for more than two weeks on shot one.
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Originally Posted By tunejunkie⏩
You forgot to mention the most important part. Money. They’re getting truckloads of money from the government to push the vaccine. And then money from big pharma. They’re compromised. Has nothing to do with health.
I learned at my last job, big corporate medical facility (non-profit) that they have to follow federal guidelines, cdc guidelines etc if they want to be able to accept medicaid and medicare money. It's a big honey pot they can't afford to lose.

That's what happens when govt gets their hands on everything.

We're going complete authoritarian.
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Originally Posted By InVentive44⏩
Fark my fiancé is experiencing these symptoms for more than two weeks on shot one.
Sht man I’m sorry to hear that, hopefully it’s nothing serious. I’m not an expert in neurological disorders, but it’s probably a good idea for her to see someone who is.
Originally Posted By _zman⏩
I learned at my last job, big corporate medical facility (non-profit) that they have to follow federal guidelines, cdc guidelines etc if they want to be able to accept medicaid and medicare money. It's a big honey pot they can't afford to lose.

That's what happens when govt gets their hands on everything.

We're going complete authoritarian.
Yup, the “swamp” isn’t just concentrated in DC. Medicine is rife with corruption and inefficiency.

Several months ago I was talking with an ER doc (and longtime work acquaintance) at one of our hospitals, and trying to confirm that I’m not crazy regarding all of the potential vaccine injuries I was seeing in the field.

She confirmed that they’ve been seeing an uptick as well, and went on to explain how the system makes it very difficult to officially diagnose these people as having a vaccine-related adverse event. And how nobody who values their career will be willing to speak up regarding these injuries.
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Originally Posted By 2Rude4MyOwnGood⏩
Sht man I’m sorry to hear that, hopefully it’s nothing serious. I’m not an expert in neurological disorders, but it’s probably a good idea for her to see someone who is.




Yup, the “swamp” isn’t just concentrated in DC. Medicine is rife with corruption and inefficiency.

Several months ago I was talking with an ER doc (and longtime work acquaintance) at one of our hospitals, and trying to confirm that I’m not crazy regarding all of the potential vaccine injuries I was seeing in the field.

She confirmed that they’ve been seeing an uptick as well, and went on to explain how the system makes it very difficult to officially diagnose these people as having a vaccine-related adverse event. And how nobody who values their career will be willing to speak up regarding these injuries.
I'm not sure which is more disconcerting, knowing the vaccines aren't that effective past 6 months, the common adverse events that are swept under the rug, the medical field's need for medicare/medicaid funding, or being forced to take them in the first place or lose your job / ability to travel?

I just don't see what the end game is here. Is it just as simple as always power and money?

None of this makes sense other than that.
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Originally Posted By InVentive44⏩
Anybody reporting pins and needle sensations in there arms or legs?
Have you pissed off anyone who practices voodoo recently?
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It’s been awhile since I posted an update here, but not because we’ve been seeing any fewer calls involving potential vaccine injuries. Quite the opposite actually.

As expected, most of these calls have been in the 50+ year old age group, and most of them have occurred shortly after their booster shot.

Severity has ranged from general malaise/severe flu like symptoms, to significant neurological impairment. Several instances of patients losing mobility in their limbs, as well as new-onset numbness and weakness of extremities.
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Originally Posted By _zman⏩
I'm not sure which is more disconcerting, knowing the vaccines aren't that effective past 6 months, the common adverse events that are swept under the rug, the medical field's need for medicare/medicaid funding, or being forced to take them in the first place or lose your job / ability to travel?

I just don't see what the end game is here. Is it just as simple as always power and money?

None of this makes sense other than that.
Pretty sure greed, stupidity and power hunger explains most all of it.

I mean, why the push for electric cars? The process to build and drive them creates more carbon and pollution than a standard car. Same thing.
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Originally Posted By 2Rude4MyOwnGood⏩
It’s been awhile since I posted an update here, but not because we’ve been seeing any fewer calls involving potential vaccine injuries. Quite the opposite actually.

As expected, most of these calls have been in the 50+ year old age group, and most of them have occurred shortly after their booster shot.

Severity has ranged from general malaise/severe flu like symptoms, to significant neurological impairment. Several instances of patients losing mobility in their limbs, as well as new-onset numbness and weakness of extremities.
This. After the shot my Grandfather randomly loses use of his legs and has some other strange problems. My aunt has been absolutely destroyed by it too. Sucks to see.
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Originally Posted By 2Rude4MyOwnGood⏩
It’s been awhile since I posted an update here, but not because we’ve been seeing any fewer calls involving potential vaccine injuries. Quite the opposite actually.

As expected, most of these calls have been in the 50+ year old age group, and most of them have occurred shortly after their booster shot.

Severity has ranged from general malaise/severe flu like symptoms, to significant neurological impairment. Several instances of patients losing mobility in their limbs, as well as new-onset numbness and weakness of extremities.
We've learned many children at my son's school were sent home sick last week from the jab. Not sure how serious they were though, still heartbreaking.
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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
Pretty sure greed, stupidity and power hunger explains most all of it.

I mean, why the push for electric cars? The process to build and drive them creates more carbon and pollution than a standard car. Same thing.
Very true. Agreed.
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