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03-02-2024, 08:40 PM
#421
Originally Posted By Paul Kreul⏩
A lot of folks are disgruntled, but I don't think we'll be going back to "traditional values" unless someone pulls off a real life Handmaid's Yale.
So biology affirms gender now?
Just lol
Just lol
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03-02-2024, 08:49 PM
#422
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Disgruntled? Hmm.. because unlike the left, "Conservatives" like myself feel that if we truly care about people are we going to force them down a road, particularly as children, into a "solution" to a problem that has been proven not to be a solution? (gender re-assignment surgery)
A lot of folks are disgruntled, but I don't think we'll be going back to "traditional values" unless someone pulls off a real life Handmaid's Yale.
Oh, okay
Thank you for showcasing your sentiment. Wow
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03-02-2024, 08:50 PM
#423
Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
The middle ground is teaching kids not to discriminate against gays or treat them poorly, while also not celebrating LGBT as something good or showing it in the media. It should not be normalized because it is not a desirable outcome and it is harmful to civilization. Tolerance of it as a biological and environmental abnormality is different from the encouragement and promotion of it that we are seeing now in our media and our entire culture.
How is pushing for acceptance an extreme? What is the middle ground?
I entirely agree with the criticism of conversatism for their absurd fear of structural criticism and anti-hierarchy, but I hardly see acceptance of LGBT as some sort of extreme. What is the middle ground, IYO?
I entirely agree with the criticism of conversatism for their absurd fear of structural criticism and anti-hierarchy, but I hardly see acceptance of LGBT as some sort of extreme. What is the middle ground, IYO?
And I would argue that line of thinking not only includes LGBT but also straight degenerative behavior. IE sloot/manwhore/casual sex behavior that is also glorified and encouraged by the media and is also harmful.
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03-02-2024, 09:04 PM
#424
Originally Posted By Paul Kreul⏩
Yeah,. I definitely don't think anyone should be forced into gender reassugnment surgery. That's nuts.
Disgruntled? Hmm.. because unlike the left, "Conservatives" like myself feel that if we truly care about people are we going to force them down a road, particularly as children, into a "solution" to a problem that has been proven not to be a solution? (gender re-assignment surgery)
Oh, okay
Thank you for showcasing your sentiment. Wow
Oh, okay
Thank you for showcasing your sentiment. Wow
03-02-2024, 09:08 PM
#425
Originally Posted By BigElephant⏩
The middle ground is teaching kids not to discriminate against gays or treat them poorly, while also not celebrating LGBT as something good or showing it in the media. It should not be normalized because it is not a desirable outcome and it is harmful to civilization. Tolerance of it as a biological and environmental abnormality is different from the encouragement and promotion of it that we are seeing now in our media and our entire culture.
And I would argue that line of thinking not only includes LGBT but also straight degenerative behavior. IE sloot/manwhore/casual sex behavior that is also glorified and encouraged by the media and is also harmful.
And I would argue that line of thinking not only includes LGBT but also straight degenerative behavior. IE sloot/manwhore/casual sex behavior that is also glorified and encouraged by the media and is also harmful.
There's nothing wrong with being gay or bi. Nor is it harmful to civilization. This is straight up Nazi talk.
Back off, Warchild.
Seriously.
03-02-2024, 10:03 PM
#426
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03-02-2024, 10:22 PM
#427
Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
Gays existing alone is not harmful to civilization. Encouraging and spreading it is harmful to civilization, especially when we get to the point where it is as widespread as it is right now. Further, being gay is not a desirable or good thing, and it should never be taught that it is. No parent should want his or her child to be gay. We should be teaching that we should tolerate gays as a biological/environmental abnormality and not to abuse them or treat them poorly, but that homosexuality is an undesired outcome. It also shouldn't appear in media at all, but then again neither should hard drug use, glorified casual sex involving straights or gays, et cetera.
There's nothing wrong with being gay or bi. Nor is it harmful to civilization. This is straight up Nazi talk.
I also doubt you know what the Nazis believed or why they believed it. They did some fukked up things but they were also right about a lot of things. On the subjects of trannies and homosex, they were dead on.
Originally Posted By SlavaNaroda⏩
Shouldn't you be in bed by now, Spencer? Those cars aren't going to detail themselves in the morning.
Ask him his views on Hitler. It's pretty telling. What he says is, in fact, quite literally nazi talk lmao.
Or are you the Stalin guy? Either way lol.
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03-02-2024, 10:23 PM
#428
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
But you affirm it for a child? You think they have a sound mind to make that decision? Do you think they are influenced/persuaded into gender surgery?
Yeah,. I definitely don't think anyone should be forced into gender reassugnment surgery. That's nuts.
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03-02-2024, 10:36 PM
#429
Originally Posted By ExPatriot⏩
JFL. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but I wasn't expecting THAT.
Originally Posted By SlavaNaroda⏩
I don't keep track of all the alts on here who talk schit. The only one I know by name is the first one I mentioned, but I remembered arguing with some alt who kept defending Stalin like 3-4 months ago. I sometimes take breaks from posting (anywhere from a couple weeks to several months at a time) so I probably don't know who a lot of regulars are/were.
I'm the Stalin guy. Come on retard, you don't know who I am? Look at the fuking name. Win to the fuking cel.
And we know you are literally a nazi so why LARP as anything else?
And we know you are literally a nazi so why LARP as anything else?
My views are nuanced. I don't agree with a lot of what the Nazis did, but I agree with a lot of the ideology and I believe they had legitimate motivation and cause to take action. I just disagree with some of the actions that they took.
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03-02-2024, 10:38 PM
#430
Originally Posted By BigElephant⏩
JFL. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but I wasn't expecting THAT.
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03-03-2024, 03:40 AM
#431
Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
How is pushing for acceptance an extreme? What is the middle ground?
I entirely agree with the criticism of conversatism for their absurd fear of structural criticism and anti-hierarchy, but I hardly see acceptance of LGBT as some sort of extreme. What is the middle ground, IYO?
I entirely agree with the criticism of conversatism for their absurd fear of structural criticism and anti-hierarchy, but I hardly see acceptance of LGBT as some sort of extreme. What is the middle ground, IYO?
Except it’s never just a “push for acceptance”. The goal keeps moving and moving. No one here gives a sh!t if you want to fukk guys or trannies. But we’ve gone from “just let us live our lives and leave us alone” to “we just want to get married” to “if you won’t help us with our wedding we’ll sue you”, to “not putting your pronouns in your email signature is a form of microagression”, to “ not playing pretend with me and using my pronouns is a crime”, to teaching kids there are 47 genders and taking them away from parents if they don’t play along with a child who says he’s transgender, to our assistant health secretary saying one of the most important tasks of healthcare in our country is to provide “gender-affirming care” to children.
So no, it’s about much MUCH more than “acceptance”. It’s about the erosion and continual perversion of society at a younger and younger age while demoralizing people by practically forcing them to play along.
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03-03-2024, 04:36 AM
#432
Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Lmao "it's ok as long as you do your "perversion" the way I want you to".
Except it’s never just a “push for acceptance”. The goal keeps moving and moving. No one here gives a sh!t if you want to fukk guys or trannies. But we’ve gone from “just let us live our lives and leave us alone” to “we just want to get married” to “if you won’t help us with our wedding we’ll sue you”, to “not putting your pronouns in your email signature is a form of microagression”, to “ not playing pretend with me and using my pronouns is a crime”, to teaching kids there are 47 genders and taking them away from parents if they don’t play along with a child who says he’s transgender, to our assistant health secretary saying one of the most important tasks of healthcare in our country is to provide “gender-affirming care” to children.
So no, it’s about much MUCH more than “acceptance”. It’s about the erosion and continual perversion of society at a younger and younger age while demoralizing people by practically forcing them to play along.
So no, it’s about much MUCH more than “acceptance”. It’s about the erosion and continual perversion of society at a younger and younger age while demoralizing people by practically forcing them to play along.
It's exactly the same failed logic people used with gays in the 90s.
03-03-2024, 04:39 AM
#433
Originally Posted By adimare⏩
I can.
jtaylor2010, can you name them? I'm not that active here but I've honestly never seen anyone here defend or support drag shows for kids.
Estrogenbro denying it - even with pics right under his nose:
Originally Posted By miscinbro⏩
Anything about telling kids to be sexually with adults? Nope, didn't think so. More lies from the "right."
I'd love to hear your response to "beauty pageants" - the ones Trump ran and used to walk into the changing area of underaged performers.
I'd love to hear your response to "beauty pageants" - the ones Trump ran and used to walk into the changing area of underaged performers.
Originally Posted By miscinbro⏩
The 'tard comparing them to cheerleaders:
Let me get this straight. An image, that’s already obviously edited, (this Tweet has been deleted - yet shows the entire Tweet) is quoted on bb.com and I’m supposed to Google up a bunch of **** sht to confirm it’s source and validity, otherwise I’m the ****?
Get the fck out.
Get the fck out.
Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
Ass Rot with deflection #2,653:
What is provocative clothing?
Is it only clothing that arouses you personally? Just homo stuff or do you mean cheerleader uniforms and tutus?
Is it only clothing that arouses you personally? Just homo stuff or do you mean cheerleader uniforms and tutus?
Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
Pat blaming the parents instead of the parents AND his drag freaks:
What does trans have to with ****philes? You know where there are lots of ****philes? Those conservative organizations the catholic church and boy scouts.
Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
I have a better idea. Why don't you tell me why you're not attacking the parents for bringing their kid to this type of event? Why do you people accuse the tranny of trying to "groom" the kid(s)? So fuking stupid..
"Do you think S actually felt like that was a sxual thing he was doig? he's like. Only an actual p3do would thik that she thought he was groping her, too."
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03-03-2024, 04:45 AM
#434
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
350 post thread here filled from beginning to end with libs defending a book with graphic depictions of children having sex with grown men.
Maybe. But the poster above me seems to be advocating for any all all nudity if children are present.
What should one do in a locker room if a picnic pool or gym if a parent brings their kids to the gym or pool?
Should anyone who changes clothes be charged?
Regardless, this thread if about p3dophilia . Jtaylor suggested p3dophilia is being taught in schools and there are p3dophillic books in school libraries.
When challenged he decided to change the topic to a made up position he's ascribed to me.
What should one do in a locker room if a picnic pool or gym if a parent brings their kids to the gym or pool?
Should anyone who changes clothes be charged?
Regardless, this thread if about p3dophilia . Jtaylor suggested p3dophilia is being taught in schools and there are p3dophillic books in school libraries.
When challenged he decided to change the topic to a made up position he's ascribed to me.
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Lmao "it's ok as long as you do your "perversion" the way I want you to"
That's exactly right Groomer. You freaks can air out your jock itch for each other 24/7/365 with zero fux given. But a line has to be drawn with children.
"Do you think S actually felt like that was a sxual thing he was doig? he's like. Only an actual p3do would thik that she thought he was groping her, too."
"Not that it's impossibl to touch a minor inapproriately, but it is true that a 6 year old girl will not recognie someone putting a hand on their chest as roping, whether it is inappropriat or not."
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03-03-2024, 04:55 AM
#435
Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Yeah, saying being gay is wrong is practically the same thing as being upset about the fact that it can be considered a crime to not play pretend with a mentally ill person(ie use their pronouns).
Lmao "it's ok as long as you do your "perversion" the way I want you to".
It's exactly the same failed logic people used with gays in the 90s.
It's exactly the same failed logic people used with gays in the 90s.
That’s one of the most retarded takes I’ve ever seen from you, which is saying a LOT.
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03-03-2024, 05:00 AM
#436
Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
350 post thread here filled from beginning to end with libs defending a book with graphic depictions of children having sex with grown men.
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...hp?t=180640483
That's exactly right Groomer. You freaks can air out your jock itch for each other 24/7/365 with zero fux given. But a line has to be drawn with children.
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...hp?t=180640483
That's exactly right Groomer. You freaks can air out your jock itch for each other 24/7/365 with zero fux given. But a line has to be drawn with children.
On spread…. We’ve all seen the type of sh!t some of the sick fukkers try to defend or downplay(J.L.C. included). And I could’ve linked him to tons of examples but it wouldn’t do any good because his only concern is with trolling and it isn’t worth wasting time on. Because trust me, he has more time than anyone here and absolutely LOVES spending it trying to irritate people. A sad existence, but I guess at least he isn’t out hurting people in the real world.
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03-03-2024, 05:00 AM
#437
Originally Posted By Paul Kreul⏩
I realize that's the bogeyman, but no, don't think parents forcing or tricking their children into surgery is a widespread issue (or occurrence).
But you affirm it for a child? You think they have a sound mind to make that decision? Do you think they are influenced/persuaded into gender surgery?
Do you have kids in school? Do you talk to them and their teachers?
03-03-2024, 05:50 AM
#438
Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Authoritarianism is freedom when it's your views and preferences that are (en)forced on others
Lmao "it's ok as long as you do your "perversion" the way I want you to".
It's exactly the same failed logic people used with gays in the 90s.
It's exactly the same failed logic people used with gays in the 90s.
03-03-2024, 06:09 AM
#439
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
…
Authoritarianism is freedom when it's your views and preferences that are (en)forced on others
Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
How 'bout that.
That's exactly right Groomer. You freaks can air out your jock itch for each other 24/7/365 with zero fux given. But a line has to be drawn with children.
"Do you think S actually felt like that was a sxual thing he was doig? he's like. Only an actual p3do would thik that she thought he was groping her, too."
"Not that it's impossibl to touch a minor inapproriately, but it is true that a 6 year old girl will not recognie someone putting a hand on their chest as roping, whether it is inappropriat or not."
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03-03-2024, 06:13 AM
#440
Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
You're proving my point. In the 90s gay people were called mentally ill too. Literally the same exact playbook - no matter how you try to justify your "opinion" on them.
Yeah, saying being gay is wrong is practically the same thing as being upset about the fact that it can be considered a crime to not play pretend with a mentally ill person(ie use their pronouns).
That’s one of the most retarded takes I’ve ever seen from you, which is saying a LOT.
That’s one of the most retarded takes I’ve ever seen from you, which is saying a LOT.
03-03-2024, 06:14 AM
#441
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
See this is the difference between Dems and Reps.
Authoritarianism is freedom when it's your views and preferences that are (en)forced on others
Dems want to give people options to do as they choose, and not be discriminated against.
Reps want to take those rights, and many others, away from you.
03-03-2024, 06:16 AM
#442
Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
So you're ok with your tranny and drag freaks showing their taints to children.
See this is the difference between Dems and Reps.
Dems want to give people options to do as they choose, and not be discriminated against.
Reps want to take those rights, and many others, away from you.
Dems want to give people options to do as they choose, and not be discriminated against.
Reps want to take those rights, and many others, away from you.
I mean we all knew that anyway, but it's good you admit it.
"Do you think S actually felt like that was a sxual thing he was doig? he's like. Only an actual p3do would thik that she thought he was groping her, too."
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03-03-2024, 06:20 AM
#443
Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
If someone is born as a biological male but identifies as a female to the point of taking hormones and altering/removing genitalia they are mentally ill. That isn’t debateable. But even with that being the case, I haven’t seen anyone trying to ban sex change operations for adults. All we’re saying is don’t push it on children and don’t force other people to play along with your delusions. If someone is anorexic and weighs 60 lbs I shouldn’t be required to agree with them and say they’re obese. And if someone imagines themself as the opposite gender I shouldn’t be forced to play along with them.
You're proving my point. In the 90s gay people were called mentally ill too. Literally the same exact playbook - no matter how you try to justify your "opinion" on them.
Again, your take on this topic is completely terrible. Saying “I don’t think being gay is right” and saying “they shouldn’t give children puberty blocking hormones” are not even close to being equivalent.
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03-03-2024, 06:21 AM
#444
Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
I think devout partisans on both sides will trample rights. It's just a different set of rights that get trampled.
See this is the difference between Dems and Reps.
Dems want to give people options to do as they choose, and not be discriminated against.
Reps want to take those rights, and many others, away from you.
Dems want to give people options to do as they choose, and not be discriminated against.
Reps want to take those rights, and many others, away from you.
Classic liberalism is based on individual rights and freedoms. Conservatism has always been about maintenance of status quo and traditional hierarchies.
The right makes me lol with the obvious "free….to be like me" stuff.
The left makes me lol with the idea that people can be trusted to be responsible with drugs, but not with guns.
I don't think government should be involved in personal medical and health decisions. Regardless of party.
When have bans ever worked?
03-03-2024, 06:22 AM
#445
Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
See this is the difference between Dems and Reps.
Dems want to give people options to do as they choose, and not be discriminated against.
Reps want to take those rights, and many others, away from you.
Dems want to give people options to do as they choose, and not be discriminated against.
Reps want to take those rights, and many others, away from you.
So you’re saying if someone is born with a d!ck I should be allowed to choose to call them a “he”?
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03-03-2024, 06:30 AM
#446
Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
If someone is born as a biological male but identifies as a female to the point of taking hormones and altering/removing genitalia they are mentally ill. That isn’t debateable. But even with that being the case, I haven’t seen anyone trying to ban sex change operations for adults. All we’re saying is don’t push it on children and don’t force other people to play along with your delusions. If someone is anorexic and weighs 60 lbs I shouldn’t be required to agree with them and say they’re obese. And if someone imagines themself as the opposite gender I shouldn’t be forced to play along with them.
Again, your take on this topic is completely terrible. Saying “I don’t think being gay is right” and saying “they shouldn’t give children puberty blocking hormones” are not even close to being equivalent.
Again, your take on this topic is completely terrible. Saying “I don’t think being gay is right” and saying “they shouldn’t give children puberty blocking hormones” are not even close to being equivalent.
It actually is debatable. To claim that someone born a biological male cannot transition into a women is transphobia which attempts to falsely support its hatred with biological science, even though science doesn't support purely binary sex, since it rests on a genocentric theory of biology (which is more of a way of interpreting biology than actually doing the science of biology).
Originally Posted By JLC⏩
I think devout partisans on both sides will trample rights. It's just a different set of rights that get trampled.
Classic liberalism is based on individual rights and freedoms. Conservatism has always been about maintenance of status quo and traditional hierarchies.
The right makes me lol with the obvious "free….to be like me" stuff.
Classic liberalism is based on individual rights and freedoms. Conservatism has always been about maintenance of status quo and traditional hierarchies.
The right makes me lol with the obvious "free….to be like me" stuff.
It's why they hate trans people so much. They're the perfect culture war. The perfect fodder for their paranoid phobias that evil entities are sneaking into places under our eyes. Because trannies are capable of blending in. You can portray them as a literal boogey man hiding in plain sight to instil fear.
Sneaking into women's bathrooms, tricking men into having sex with them, sneaking into schools to promote paedophilia, stereotypes and fears of trans people center around this.
And plus, when society makes too much progress against old heirarchies, the biggest losers out of the set of straight men of the majority race get really angry and blame others for their loserdom (incel pandemic). It's also why they hate marxists too, for the same reasons: They're both major threats to conservatists idea of heirarchy where the white male heterosexual Christian is the pre-eminent way to be a human.
Back off, Warchild.
Seriously.
03-03-2024, 06:33 AM
#447
Why did you never accept my lifting bet you tranny lover
03-03-2024, 06:43 AM
#448
Originally Posted By GooBaaa⏩
Why did you never accept my lifting bet you tranny lover
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03-03-2024, 06:46 AM
#449
Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
It actually is debatable. To claim that someone born a biological male cannot transition into a women is transphobia which attempts to falsely support its hatred with biological science, even though science doesn't support purely binary sex, since it rests on a genocentric theory of biology (which is more of a way of interpreting biology than actually doing the science of biology).
It's why they hate trans people so much. They're the perfect culture war. The perfect fodder for their paranoid phobias that evil entities are sneaking into places under our eyes. Because trannies are capable of blending in. You can portray them as a literal boogey man hiding in plain sight to instil fear.
Sneaking into women's bathrooms, tricking men into having sex with them, sneaking into schools to promote paedophilia, stereotypes and fears of trans people center around this.
And plus, when society makes too much progress against old heirarchies, the biggest losers out of the set of straight men of the majority race get really angry and blame others for their loserdom (incel pandemic). It's also why they hate marxists too, for the same reasons: They're both major threats to conservatists idea of heirarchy where the white male heterosexual Christian is the pre-eminent way to be a human.
It's why they hate trans people so much. They're the perfect culture war. The perfect fodder for their paranoid phobias that evil entities are sneaking into places under our eyes. Because trannies are capable of blending in. You can portray them as a literal boogey man hiding in plain sight to instil fear.
Sneaking into women's bathrooms, tricking men into having sex with them, sneaking into schools to promote paedophilia, stereotypes and fears of trans people center around this.
And plus, when society makes too much progress against old heirarchies, the biggest losers out of the set of straight men of the majority race get really angry and blame others for their loserdom (incel pandemic). It's also why they hate marxists too, for the same reasons: They're both major threats to conservatists idea of heirarchy where the white male heterosexual Christian is the pre-eminent way to be a human.
Lmao….a person born as a male can never biologically become a female. They will have the DNA of a male. Again, that isn’t debatable. And again, if someone feels the need to inject themselves with hormones and mutilate their genitalia then they are mentally ill. Also not debateable.
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03-03-2024, 06:50 AM
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/N...riteria_for_g/
“Gender identity disorder” was dropped from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition (DSM-5). A new condition called “gender dysphoria” was added to diagnose and treat those transgender individuals who felt distress at the mismatch between their identities and their bodies. The new diagnosis recognizes that a mismatch between one’s birth gender and identity is not necessarily pathological (or an illness). It shifts the emphasis in treatment from fixing a disorder to resolving distress over the mismatch.
The DSM-5’s new definition is similar in effect to its 1973 declassification of homosexuality as a mental illness.
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