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03-13-2019, 01:22 PM
#4501
Eric Berry was just cut. Worth taking a look at?
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03-13-2019, 02:47 PM
#4502
Originally Posted By jwtiger69⏩
Hard pass for me. Can’t stay healthy at all.
Eric Berry was just cut. Worth taking a look at?
03-13-2019, 02:57 PM
#4503
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49ers signing Tevin Coleman to a two-year, $10 million deal, per source.
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49ers signing Tevin Coleman to a two-year, $10 million deal, per source.
03-13-2019, 03:00 PM
#4504
Originally Posted By HouseGlow⏩
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49ers signing Tevin Coleman to a two-year, $10 million deal, per source.
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49ers signing Tevin Coleman to a two-year, $10 million deal, per source.
Interesting? We do not have much room on the back field for that many backs. That means someone is either traded or dropped?
Bonus points is that he played under Kyle and knows his systems.
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03-13-2019, 03:07 PM
#4505
Originally Posted By jwtiger69⏩
We'll see. Coleman is definitely a perfect fit since he played with Kyle before. Coleman, McKinnon and Breida is a great group, especially if we keep Mostert for ST duty and depth.
Interesting? We do not have much room on the back field for that many backs. That means someone is either traded or dropped?
Hope we get Verrett on a cheap deal…i know we're putting a LOT of faith in guys coming off injuries but I loved that dude coming out.
03-13-2019, 03:10 PM
#4506
Probably just about the health of Breida and McKinnon. As long as one of these guys are healthy I trust Shanny to make these guys productive.
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03-13-2019, 03:10 PM
#4507
Originally Posted By iamgenus⏩
We'll see. Coleman is definitely a perfect fit since he played with Kyle before.
Coleman, McKinnon and Breida is a great group, especially if we keep Mostert for ST duty and dep
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Hope we get Verrett on a cheap deal…i know we're putting a LOT of faith in guys coming off injuries but I loved that dude coming out.
Hope we get Verrett on a cheap deal…i know we're putting a LOT of faith in guys coming off injuries but I loved that dude coming out.
Are they really going to keep that many roster spots? Don't forget Juice is basically inline right there two. 5 spots is alot.
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03-13-2019, 03:11 PM
#4508
Coleman is a great signing. Perfect for if Mck doesn’t come back right or Breida can’t stay healthy.
03-13-2019, 03:12 PM
#4509
As @nwagoner noted, the guaranteed money on Jerick McKinnon's contract already has been doled out. His base salary of $3.7 million becomes fully guaranteed on April 1 and #49ers might have to make a decision on him before that.
That is interesting. Spent some money upfront but it looks like they can drop him it need be and not lose much more money.
That is interesting. Spent some money upfront but it looks like they can drop him it need be and not lose much more money.
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03-13-2019, 03:25 PM
#4510
Honestly I’d be fine cutting our losses with McKinnon. I’m fine with a Breida and Coleman.
Wonder what we could get in a trade for McKinnon or Breida. Maybe trade one of them for a receiver.
Wonder what we could get in a trade for McKinnon or Breida. Maybe trade one of them for a receiver.
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03-13-2019, 03:36 PM
#4511
I like the Coleman signing, as of right now Mostert is looking around in FA, and Jet, Breida, and Coleman would be a great backfield, with our without Mostert. I hope we keep Mostert for his ST value, the Coleman signing to me is more about insurance for an often injured Breida and a post ACL Jet.
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03-13-2019, 03:53 PM
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03-13-2019, 04:22 PM
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So we are keeping Ward for 1 year 5 million. Not bad I guess?
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03-13-2019, 05:45 PM
#4514
Originally Posted By jwtiger69⏩
No clue why the team loves this guy so much.
So we are keeping Ward for 1 year 5 million. Not bad I guess?
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03-13-2019, 05:57 PM
#4515
Originally Posted By Blasting⏩
Agree. The guy can get beat at every position tho?
No clue why the team loves this guy so much.
As for Mck, no. Cutting him without trying him out would be embarrassing for this regime. Cool we gave him a ton of money upfront but to ditch now shows again, we may not have a direction.
03-13-2019, 06:29 PM
#4516
Originally Posted By SF49ers⏩
I don’t think it’s embarrassing. They couldn’t have predicted he was gonna tear his ACL. The contract was structured to pay him up front in a year we had a ton of cap space.
Agree. The guy can get beat at every position tho?
As for Mck, no. Cutting him without trying him out would be embarrassing for this regime. Cool we gave him a ton of money upfront but to ditch now shows again, we may not have a direction.
As for Mck, no. Cutting him without trying him out would be embarrassing for this regime. Cool we gave him a ton of money upfront but to ditch now shows again, we may not have a direction.
I have no problem with the FO admitting when they were wrong (not saying they were with McKinnon). I’d rather they got something in return right now for Soloman Thomas than wait 6 years and keep trying to make him work.
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03-13-2019, 10:51 PM
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time to go get Eric Berry?
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03-13-2019, 10:52 PM
#4518
Sources with the 49ers were gushing about Williams. They think he is a rare prospect with an amazing skill set of speed and athleticism. Team sources also like Williams’ makeup as an individual, and they are very high on his immense upside. Team sources were gushing about how Williams dominated in 2018 in only his first season of real playing time. They feel that the sky is the limit for his potential.
With Bosa, their praise was not as effusive. They like him and feel he is probably the safer pick, but they did not talk about him as being as special of a player or athlete like Williams is. The other thing going for Bosa is edge rush is a bigger need than defensive tackle. Defensive end Solomon Thomas has been a massive disappointment in the pass rush department, while defensive tackle DeForest Buckner was superb last year, ripping off 12 sacks in his third season.
With Bosa, their praise was not as effusive. They like him and feel he is probably the safer pick, but they did not talk about him as being as special of a player or athlete like Williams is. The other thing going for Bosa is edge rush is a bigger need than defensive tackle. Defensive end Solomon Thomas has been a massive disappointment in the pass rush department, while defensive tackle DeForest Buckner was superb last year, ripping off 12 sacks in his third season.
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03-14-2019, 05:58 AM
#4519
Originally Posted By Blasting⏩
I don't buy it. We've done a great job plugging up any leaks in our front office since ShanaLynch have been here. Highly doubt we'd suddenly open up the leaks like that if they were legit.
People want to connect the dots and think because we signed Dee Ford somehow Nick Bosa doesn't make sense…bullchit.
Bosa makes perfect sense because now you have one guy on a 4 year deal and then you grab another hopefully elite edge rusher on a rookie deal that you control for 5 years. This way you're not stuck looking for another pass rusher in 4 years or less if Ford doesn't live up to the contract.
That's how smart teams build for the long haul. They double dip at impact positions and keep young talent behind older vets.
Now don't get me wrong Quinnen Williams is a beast so if we drafted him I wouldn't hate it but Bosa makes too much sense for what we need and our current roster.
Yes Solomon Thomas hasn't been worth his #3 overall pick but for the most part the guy has been thrown to play edge when he didn't do that in college and clearly isn't bendy enough to make it happen, not to mention the awful stuff that happened with his sister last year.
When he finally got to play consistently inside towards the end of the season he looked MUCH better than he did on the outside.
Bosa, Buckner, Thomas, Ford for pass rush downs is a much better long term setup than Marsh/later rookie, Buckner, Williams, Ford….even if Buckner and Williams inside would be amazing.
You want to maximize your talent and we have a glutton of big DLmen who are better suited for interior play or big end whether it's Thomas, Armstead, Street, Blair or Taylor. We need two elite guys on the outside.
If Bosa is there I really hope he's our guy or we take a too good to be true type of offer to move down and grab someone like Brian Burns or Montez Sweat to develop them while Ford does his thing.
03-14-2019, 08:12 AM
#4520
For our team, yeah Bosa is a better fit, but if the story is true then I completely understand it. If they’re looking at the upside of both players, they’re probably seeing the potential of Aaron Donald in Williams. And they’re probably comparing Nick to his brother. While Joey Bosa is a great player, Aaron Donald is a generational talent.
But I believe, and it sounds like they do if the story is true, that Nick’s floor is much higher. Q is the physical freak and Nick is the natural football player and technician. Would the regime risk drafting another Soloman Thomas or will they take the guaranteed 6 sacks a season with Nick?
If Bosa goes 1 I wouldn’t be upset with Williams but I’d be more interested in trading down.
But I believe, and it sounds like they do if the story is true, that Nick’s floor is much higher. Q is the physical freak and Nick is the natural football player and technician. Would the regime risk drafting another Soloman Thomas or will they take the guaranteed 6 sacks a season with Nick?
If Bosa goes 1 I wouldn’t be upset with Williams but I’d be more interested in trading down.
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03-14-2019, 09:23 AM
#4521
I wonder how high Shanahan is on DK Metcalf? Does he view him as a top 10 pick? If he is high on him I wonder if the Dee Ford signing was his way of fixing the outside pass rush so we could move down and pick up Metcalf. I wouldn't be opposed to it if that is what he believes in.
I still get off thinking about a pass rush with Bosa, Thomas, Buckner, and Ford. I just wonder if we are truly interested in a #1 WR considering we went after OBJ.
Also I think our defense has already improved a lot since the end of the season. To me we addressed 2 of our 3 biggest needs with the additions of Ford and Alexander. We just need another CB to compete outside of Sherman. I'm honestly ok with our safeties. With an improved pass rush the secondary will have an easier time. I'm really high on Kwon Alexander.
I still get off thinking about a pass rush with Bosa, Thomas, Buckner, and Ford. I just wonder if we are truly interested in a #1 WR considering we went after OBJ.
Also I think our defense has already improved a lot since the end of the season. To me we addressed 2 of our 3 biggest needs with the additions of Ford and Alexander. We just need another CB to compete outside of Sherman. I'm honestly ok with our safeties. With an improved pass rush the secondary will have an easier time. I'm really high on Kwon Alexander.
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03-14-2019, 10:31 AM
#4522
Originally Posted By Miked1978⏩
Highly doubt he likes Metcalf.
I wonder how high Shanahan is on DK Metcalf? Does he view him as a top 10 pick? If he is high on him I wonder if the Dee Ford signing was his way of fixing the outside pass rush so we could move down and pick up Metcalf. I wouldn't be opposed to it if that is what he believes in.
I still get off thinking about a pass rush with Bosa, Thomas, Buckner, and Ford. I just wonder if we are truly interested in a #1 WR considering we went after OBJ.
Also I think our defense has already improved a lot since the end of the season. To me we addressed 2 of our 3 biggest needs with the additions of Ford and Alexander. We just need another CB to compete outside of Sherman. I'm honestly ok with our safeties. With an improved pass rush the secondary will have an easier time. I'm really high on Kwon Alexander.
I still get off thinking about a pass rush with Bosa, Thomas, Buckner, and Ford. I just wonder if we are truly interested in a #1 WR considering we went after OBJ.
Also I think our defense has already improved a lot since the end of the season. To me we addressed 2 of our 3 biggest needs with the additions of Ford and Alexander. We just need another CB to compete outside of Sherman. I'm honestly ok with our safeties. With an improved pass rush the secondary will have an easier time. I'm really high on Kwon Alexander.
Shanahan has made it known he likes quick receivers that can run the full route tree. People want to compare Metcalf to Julio when they aren’t really that close. Julio was much more talented and much quicker.
Metcalf was never very productive in college and took a backseat to AJ Brown when Metcalf was healthy. I believe it was somewhere around 50% of the routes he ran last year were either go or comeback routes. Metcalf has very little quickness or lateral movement.
Watching him he just looks like huge, fast guy that should be playing some other sport. I think he’s capable of spectacular moments and great games in the NFL but ultimately I think he’s a bust. Wouldn’t take him even late first round.
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03-14-2019, 10:42 AM
#4523
Originally Posted By Blasting⏩
I don't think QW compares to Donald. Aaron is a generational talent but they're very different players.
For our team, yeah Bosa is a better fit, but if the story is true then I completely understand it. If they’re looking at the upside of both players, they’re probably seeing the potential of Aaron Donald in Williams. And they’re probably comparing Nick to his brother. While Joey Bosa is a great player, Aaron Donald is a generational talent.
But I believe, and it sounds like they do if the story is true, that Nick’s floor is much higher. Q is the physical freak and Nick is the natural football player and technician. Would the regime risk drafting another Soloman Thomas or will they take the guaranteed 6 sacks a season with Nick?
If Bosa goes 1 I wouldn’t be upset with Williams but I’d be more interested in trading down.
But I believe, and it sounds like they do if the story is true, that Nick’s floor is much higher. Q is the physical freak and Nick is the natural football player and technician. Would the regime risk drafting another Soloman Thomas or will they take the guaranteed 6 sacks a season with Nick?
If Bosa goes 1 I wouldn’t be upset with Williams but I’d be more interested in trading down.
Hard to get a great comparison athletically since Williams didn't do all the combine drills but Donald was off the charts especially on the movement drills.
I mean end of the day I think both guys are elite players so getting either one makes us better. Only issue with taking QW is you're pretty much putting a fork into Solomon Thomas. If it happens that's unfortunate but he's no outside DE so if we take QW for Sully's sake I hope we trade him to a team that will actually use him. Of course if we do that we totally fuked over the pick and any possibility of decent trade value by misusing him.
I actually think Thomas is closer to Donald than QW is in terms of ability…he's got a long way to go to being on Donald's level in terms of impact and power but at the same time I'm not sure how great Aaron would've been if the Rams played him at DE 90% of his snaps the first 2 years of his career.
03-14-2019, 10:44 AM
#4524
Originally Posted By Blasting⏩
I wouldn't go that far but I want no part of him with our first pick.
Highly doubt he likes Metcalf.
Shanahan has made it known he likes quick receivers that can run the full route tree. People want to compare Metcalf to Julio when they aren’t really that close. Julio was much more talented and much quicker.
Metcalf was never very productive in college and took a backseat to AJ Brown when Metcalf was healthy. I believe it was somewhere around 50% of the routes he ran last year were either go or comeback routes. Metcalf has very little quickness or lateral movement.
Watching him he just looks like huge, fast guy that should be playing some other sport. I think he’s capable of spectacular moments and great games in the NFL but ultimately I think he’s a bust. Wouldn’t take him even late first round .
Shanahan has made it known he likes quick receivers that can run the full route tree. People want to compare Metcalf to Julio when they aren’t really that close. Julio was much more talented and much quicker.
Metcalf was never very productive in college and took a backseat to AJ Brown when Metcalf was healthy. I believe it was somewhere around 50% of the routes he ran last year were either go or comeback routes. Metcalf has very little quickness or lateral movement.
Watching him he just looks like huge, fast guy that should be playing some other sport. I think he’s capable of spectacular moments and great games in the NFL but ultimately I think he’s a bust. Wouldn’t take him even late first round .
I'm more concerned about him playing at such a ridiculous size. I know David Boston is a lazy comparison but it's a logical one…soon as Boston roided up like crazy the injuries derailed his career.
DK is way more athletic and running a 4.3 at that size is fuking nuts! But his route running is a long way from what Shanahan loves in his receivers and given Jimmy's gun slinger mentality the last thing I want is a WR who lives off jump balls.
03-14-2019, 11:32 AM
#4525
Originally Posted By iamgenus⏩
I’m actually excited to watch Thomas on our line if we get Bosa. Moving him permanently to the inside and being on the same line as Ford, Bosa and Buckner…the sky is the limit. If he can’t succeed in that situation he’s a massive bust.
I don't think QW compares to Donald. Aaron is a generational talent but they're very different players.
Hard to get a great comparison athletically since Williams didn't do all the combine drills but Donald was off the charts especially on the movement drills.
I mean end of the day I think both guys are elite players so getting either one makes us better. Only issue with taking QW is you're pretty much putting a fork into Solomon Thomas. If it happens that's unfortunate but he's no outside DE so if we take QW for Sully's sake I hope we trade him to a team that will actually use him. Of course if we do that we totally fuked over the pick and any possibility of decent trade value by misusing him.
I actually think Thomas is closer to Donald than QW is in terms of ability…he's got a long way to go to being on Donald's level in terms of impact and power but at the same time I'm not sure how great Aaron would've been if the Rams played him at DE 90% of his snaps the first 2 years of his career.
Hard to get a great comparison athletically since Williams didn't do all the combine drills but Donald was off the charts especially on the movement drills.
I mean end of the day I think both guys are elite players so getting either one makes us better. Only issue with taking QW is you're pretty much putting a fork into Solomon Thomas. If it happens that's unfortunate but he's no outside DE so if we take QW for Sully's sake I hope we trade him to a team that will actually use him. Of course if we do that we totally fuked over the pick and any possibility of decent trade value by misusing him.
I actually think Thomas is closer to Donald than QW is in terms of ability…he's got a long way to go to being on Donald's level in terms of impact and power but at the same time I'm not sure how great Aaron would've been if the Rams played him at DE 90% of his snaps the first 2 years of his career.
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03-14-2019, 11:49 AM
#4526
Originally Posted By Blasting⏩
What we did with him was borderline criminal. I understand maybe at first they thought he could play outside with those athletic numbers(I thought he could as well) but it became evident pretty quickly it's not his strength. Instead we kept putting him outside 90% of the time. I remember counting his snaps during the season and the ratios of his outside vs inside snaps were crazy something like 15 to 1 or higher.
I’m actually excited to watch Thomas on our line if we get Bosa. Moving him permanently to the inside and being on the same line as Ford, Bosa and Buckner…the sky is the limit. If he can’t succeed in that situation he’s a massive bust.
What was bizarre it sounded like in camp(when you work more on your technique vs game planning) he was doing drills against interior linemen and doing very well. Suddenly he's back to Leo…da fuk?
I hope we take Bosa and tell Sully "you're inside 95% of the time, train accordingly) and let him go at it.
03-14-2019, 12:19 PM
#4527
Just ran a mock on draft network for chits n giggles.
Would be pretty happy to walk away with this group…don't see Sweat falling to 36 though.
2. Quinnen Williams
36. Montez Sweat
67. Andy Isabella
104. Michael Jackson
176. Lonnie Johnson Jr
212. David Sills V
Would be pretty happy to walk away with this group…don't see Sweat falling to 36 though.
2. Quinnen Williams
36. Montez Sweat
67. Andy Isabella
104. Michael Jackson
176. Lonnie Johnson Jr
212. David Sills V
03-14-2019, 12:25 PM
#4528
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49ers signing former Chargers’ CB Jason Verrett to a one-year, $3.6 million deal, per source.
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49ers signing former Chargers’ CB Jason Verrett to a one-year, $3.6 million deal, per source.
03-14-2019, 12:25 PM
#4529
49ers signing former Chargers’ CB Jason Verrett to a one-year, $3.6 million deal, per source. - via @AdamSchefter
love this signing. Once again…we're hoping these guys stay healthy but I loved Verrett coming out, dude is small but plays big very similar to Denzel Ward. Just has to stay healthy.
Hope we finally get some luck health wise this year because we have a lot of guys coming off injuries/with injury history who need to step up.
love this signing. Once again…we're hoping these guys stay healthy but I loved Verrett coming out, dude is small but plays big very similar to Denzel Ward. Just has to stay healthy.
Hope we finally get some luck health wise this year because we have a lot of guys coming off injuries/with injury history who need to step up.
03-14-2019, 01:53 PM
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