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Thread: **OFFICIAL** Trading and Investing Thread: Part XVI -- BAG HOLDING EDITION

post 1697325393 02-02-2024, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
I got WREKT with spacs but I still came out green that year it went to chit
If it wasn’t for CCIV and SABS initially taking off I would have got absolutely cucked as well. As it is I gave a lot of my initial gains back. Oh well
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post 1697329733 02-02-2024, 02:30 PM
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This was a tough week for trading, if you didn't make it, don't feel too down on yourself.
Originally Posted By RobParks2M⏩
Ayyy lmao #yieldsup

Edit: decided I’m not holding till next week. Sold my 4 puts at $2.20 that were acquired at $1.4 I bet tlt keeps going down in the next week or 2 but I think the loss of time on the options would negate any meaningful movement.
I feel strongly that yields will pop as well.
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I hate meta as much the next brah but damn if we all bet $1k on super otm calls we’d have brand new C8 corvettes for the price of a cell phone
Use it as motivation.
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post 1697329923 02-02-2024, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted By dopamine72⏩
1 contract was $200 yesterday

Today its $1,055
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post 1697344933 02-02-2024, 08:12 PM
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US weed stocks booming still.

It was this thread that awared me on Canadian MJ 5+ years ago pre-legalization. That run up gave me the $$ to buy a duplex before the big sell off.
post 1697346313 02-02-2024, 08:40 PM
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Made $750 from a NVDA $670 2/9 call flip today. I had paper hands though, just wanted quick money. Little did I know it would've been $17k-21k PROFIT towards end of day if I just held onto it all day :'(.
post 1697347153 02-02-2024, 09:03 PM
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I’m up a few bags on my six amzn calls expiring at various times later this year and early next.
I have a target at $185 to sell half, and hold the others expiring next year until past $200
post 1697354443 02-03-2024, 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
I stopped doing speculative plays and am jelly of all you guys making good money with calls.

Doing well on my CCs/CSPs though so there's that.

Lately seems like you just can't go wrong with tech stocks though, I just don't like the risk. I don't even daytrade.
Absolutely nothing wrong with that approach.

1. Much less stress.
2. Much less time consumed.
3. You build up a big enough investment total and the annual returns match and beat those of day traders.
4. Passive income is always a win.

Also, you only hear about peoples’ wins. It’s proven over and over that the majority of traders and financial advisors, like almost all of them, don’t beat the market.
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post 1697409663 02-04-2024, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted By 2020Wellness⏩
Absolutely nothing wrong with that approach.

1. Much less stress.
2. Much less time consumed.
3. You build up a big enough investment total and the annual returns match and beat those of day traders.
4. Passive income is always a win.

Also, you only hear about peoples’ wins. It’s proven over and over that the majority of traders and financial advisors, like almost all of them, don’t beat the market.
If they made real money they'd start their own firm and make more money off their "skills". No different than gamblers; you only hear about the wins. If I were making so much money, I'm sure af not spending time bragging about it online.
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post 1697433643 02-04-2024, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted By 2020Wellness⏩
Also, you only hear about peoples’ wins. It’s proven over and over that the majority of traders and financial advisors, like almost all of them, don’t beat the market.
this is very true. The first few years I traded I fooled myself into believing I was successful by only recounting my wins. The worst thing is to tell your friends about how much money you're making. Pretty sure sign you're actually losing. I would discourage anyone from trying to daytrade. Very few people are good at it and almost everyone will do better in the long run by buying and holding. The exception would be selling deep OTM covered calls on your holdings and selling CSP on what you want to own.
post 1697442283 02-05-2024, 07:54 AM
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my NVDA $800 3/1 calls are holding it down
post 1697444163 02-05-2024, 08:53 AM
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Can’t believe rates popped hard again today. Guess I shouldda held the TLT puts. Oh well made solid profits on that.
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post 1697444203 02-05-2024, 08:54 AM
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I mitigate risky options strategy by knowing how to manage the trade but also from using a very stable strategy.

The best thing to do for sure money is to buy dividend payers whenever they are cheap and build a huge base to sell CCs on.

Never sell your dividend payers, buy puts against them when you feel they are going to take a downturn and if you need cash, take out a loan instead of selling. I much rather buy stocks that pay me to hold them than stocks that run really high and really low while paying nothing for that pain. I buy calls and puts on NVDA but I buy VZ stock, this gives me the ability to participate in tech gains in a greater way than just buying the stock but with less risk(to me).



If you catch these div payers at the bottom then you make money three ways very easily, dividend payment, stock appreciation and selling CCs.
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post 1697445523 02-05-2024, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted By Abzu⏩
I mitigate risky options strategy by knowing how to manage the trade but also from using a very stable strategy.

The best thing to do for sure money is to buy dividend payers whenever they are cheap and build a huge base to sell CCs on.

Never sell your dividend payers, buy puts against them when you feel they are going to take a downturn and if you need cash, take out a loan instead of selling. I much rather buy stocks that pay me to hold them than stocks that run really high and really low while paying nothing for that pain. I buy calls and puts on NVDA but I buy VZ stock, this gives me the ability to participate in tech gains in a greater way than just buying the stock but with less risk(to me).



If you catch these div payers at the bottom then you make money three ways very easily, dividend payment, stock appreciation and selling CCs.
Yup VZ is my #1 position now after the dip end of last year, juicy divy and up 30% on shares. When I bought the divy was over 10%
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post 1697453423 02-05-2024, 12:45 PM
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$DYM airdrop in a few hours... excite to see what this sht launches at
post 1697460093 02-05-2024, 03:00 PM
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bonds down

yields up

dollar up

market up



rare as it gets.

the opposing force of market up is yields going up / dollar strength

but here it was today.



start of year rate cuts was 6 by wallstreet for this year

now its down to 4.5 cuts vs fed 3

gap has closed

however two good inflation reports and you will start hearing 50 bps cuts on table next month for May/June meeting .
post 1697460353 02-05-2024, 03:05 PM
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Had a good feeling about palantir so I sold a put right at close, easy money!
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post 1697461233 02-05-2024, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
Do you think it'll reach $800 by then?
I dunno when the steam is gonna settle

It could or maybe not


I'd probably sell 2 weeks before expiry

I bought in at 2.62 per contract they're at 12.30 right now
post 1697463083 02-05-2024, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted By Carbonfibre⏩
bonds down

yields up

dollar up

market up



rare as it gets.

the opposing force of market up is yields going up / dollar strength

but here it was today.



start of year rate cuts was 6 by wallstreet for this year

now its down to 4.5 cuts vs fed 3

gap has closed

however two good inflation reports and you will start hearing 50 bps cuts on table next month for May/June meeting .
I need they need labour market weakness to avoid an ‘80s style inflationary spike, the economy seems to be doing just fine at current rates

Fed Funds rate was already mid 2% before COVID hit, entirely possible the neutral rate today is 3-4%
post 1697463823 02-05-2024, 04:30 PM
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Bought a few 02/09 $705 Call Options around market open at $689 price point for NVIDIA. Then it fell into the lower $670's as anyone watching the chart would know. Dragging these contracts down to less than half my purchase price. But I held and held, seizing the moment towards the end today when it breached $694. +$450 not bad, but could've been way better if I timed the buy during the moment it reached the $670's. F.

post 1697467433 02-05-2024, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted By Destor⏩
I need they need labour market weakness to avoid an ‘80s style inflationary spike, the economy seems to be doing just fine at current rates

Fed Funds rate was already mid 2% before COVID hit, entirely possible the neutral rate today is 3-4%
We will see how it plays out.


This clip below blew up over twitter.

Rich real estate guy already crying that office buildings and multifamily housing is tanking hard.


post 1697468853 02-05-2024, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted By Carbonfibre⏩
We will see how it plays out.


This clip below blew up over twitter.

Rich real estate guy already crying that office buildings and multifamily housing is tanking hard.


Volcker needed secret service protection when he crushed inflation back in the ‘80s

There is still so much money flying around man, I think you’d be hard pressed to find someone with assets before 2019 who doesn’t have far more today
post 1697470323 02-05-2024, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted By Destor⏩
Volcker needed secret service protection when he crushed inflation back in the ‘80s

There is still so much money flying around man, I think you’d be hard pressed to find someone with assets before 2019 who doesn’t have far more today
The problem is that the upper 10-15% of people are doing far better. There’s maybe another 10-15% roughly the same or a little better. Then there’s everyone else. The gulf between haves and have nots is widening which sucks. Our entire system has worked when we have a big middle class.
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post 1697490393 02-06-2024, 08:50 AM
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NYCB put is printing, PLTR CSP closed out for max profit, my port is at an all time high boys!
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post 1697498853 02-06-2024, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted By SipNPiz⏩
NYCB put is printing, PLTR CSP closed out for max profit, my port is at an all time high boys!
How long are you holding your NYCB puts? I might look into long dated calls. They put aside $500m for further credit risk, took a $200m hit this past Q for write downs, and still had decent results aside from that. They cut dividend so they’ll stack cash quickly again too… I don’t think they are at real risk of going under and still paying full div for pref shares.
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Originally Posted By RobParks2M⏩
The problem is that the upper 10-15% of people are doing far better. There’s maybe another 10-15% roughly the same or a little better. Then there’s everyone else. The gulf between haves and have nots is widening which sucks. Our entire system has worked when we have a big middle class.
Yeah the COVID QE/money printing surely exacerbated it, people who had assets going into COVID likely almost universally saw the value of those assets explode and people who didn't have assets likely fell further back -- this is really not what society needs
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Originally Posted By Elias373⏩
pltr is headed to $22 imminently
Imagine not listening to this guy

PLTR crew wya
post 1697500093 02-06-2024, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted By RobParks2M⏩
How long are you holding your NYCB puts? I might look into long dated calls. They put aside $500m for further credit risk, took a $200m hit this past Q for write downs, and still had decent results aside from that. They cut dividend so they’ll stack cash quickly again too… I don’t think they are at real risk of going under and still paying full div for pref shares.
I pretty much bet they are going into receivership by this Friday, 5P 2/9
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man, bloody morning/afternoon for NVDA

bought some measley calls in light of the PYPL earnings after trading

4x 2/9 $70 calls @ .38 per contract, sitting at .68 now, gonna sell before market close
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Originally Posted By SipNPiz⏩
I pretty much bet they are going into receivership by this Friday, 5P 2/9
Well phuk. I bought $3C for Jan 2026 for $2.40

I guess we will see. I really cannot fathom that their entire business is unsound and yet continued paying dividends to both common and preferred shares. Seems overblown.
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post 1697503883 02-06-2024, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted By RobParks2M⏩
Well phuk. I bought $3C for Jan 2026 for $2.40

I guess we will see. I really cannot fathom that their entire business is unsound and yet continued paying dividends to both common and preferred shares. Seems overblown.
I think it’s because they are the parent company to a bunch of other chit banks like flagstar

“What goes around is all around”
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