At this point there are literally hundreds of anecdotes of these people trying to inject themselves into the world of children (drag queen story hour, books for kids, drag shows for kids, twerking at parades in front of kids, etc. etc).

This is not debatable in the evidence is there for everyone to see. What’s worse is that if there are normal people in these communities, as you lefties say there are, none of these people are denouncing the behavior of the freaks in these communities trying to get at kids. And it seems like a ton of you liberals are OK with it too, that’s the problem. You’d rather tacitly approve the victimization of kids than be labeled some type of “ist” . Cowards

This rests on the assumption that sex is determined by chromosomes. Chromosomes influence the development of sex but they aren't the only determining factor. Again, genocentric biology is old-hat. Genotype =/= phenotype.

Neural development depends on pre-natal hormones more so than DNA or chromosomes.

I think it's similar to how folks here engage in discussion. Either invent something preposterous, or take examples of preposterous acts/behaviour and apply them broadly and generally to demonize. Using children, by either "side", is deplorable, imo.

You can call them whatever you want, just don't discriminate against them at work.

Can this p3do just fist himself already?

This is why I never respond to you except to call out your absolute stupidity.

Retard.

On to hormones now. Dude, just stop. Fuking stop with this revolving door of fake outrage and moving targets.

Just let people be themselves and mind your own fuking business. And if it affects you at work, and you can't handle it, get another job. You don't have the right to dicriminate.

Bushtard would try to video tape it for his spank bank and spam it here over and over.

No matter how intricate you want to get with it, the fact remains that a biological male can never turn into a biological female. Or at least they can’t with our current technologies.


And no matter how much you want to consider it perfectly normal or reasonable, if a person manipulates their hormones and mutilates their genitalia to get their body closer to their “ideal” state in their head it’s a sign of mental illness. Lots of bodybuilders have mental illness. Anorexics have mental illness. And transgendered people have a mental illness. That doesn’t make me “transphobic” and I don’t hate anyone based on their condition just like I don’t hate anorexics for being anorexic. Facts aren’t transphobic or bigoted, they’re simply facts.

Yep, the litmus test to determine if someone is just squealing on a forum or if there is really a crime being committed. It reminds me of that retarded thread in the misc accusing me of being a cannibal. Or the other retarded thread SIMP made accusing me of molesting children in Thailand.


If you really think someone is molesting children, or eating people, do you make a thread on the misc? No, you report it to the authorities. If there is evidence of the crime, they will take action. The fact they're not contacting the authorities pretty much confirms they're making it all up and pretending to be angry about something.

Where did I say people shouldn’t be allowed to inject themselves with hormones and mutilate their genitalia? I’m simply pointing out that it’s a mental illness. Sorry if that upsets you.

Gender dysphoria has not been considered a mental illness for over a decade now.

Well for one I’d say that it is harmful to have, as is evidenced by the multitude of issues of people who have it. And there is clearly a social contagion aspect to it so there are people experiencing it who would not have otherwise experienced it if it wasn’t being pumped into the heads of millions of children. And no, it is not reasonable to argue there is no social contagion aspect to it because there clearly is. Just like the social contagion of body image in females(and to a lesser extent males), or the hyper-sexualization of society which leads to issues. I criticize all of those things and they are all harmful. I’m not just picking on or attacking transgender people. Again, I don’t hate a person for that aspect jsut like I don’t hate a person for being chronically depressed of bulimic. But pushing it and acting like it’s a great thing to be celebrated is harmful. Just like pushing all of the garbage that has lead to the surge in anxiety and mental illness in teenagers(particularly females) is harmful.

The theory is that the shadow elite are trying to turn all kids trans, for reasons.

Literally "think of the children" from the right.

It's lulzy af how those who call everyone an NPC demonstrate the exact same behaviours as those they call names

This is a question I ask often. More often then not, I get called names as an answer

If you don’t even recognize the social contagion aspect of it then we can stop there. Percentage of people identifying as something other than their biological sex doesn’t go up 8-10 fold just because they can talk about it now. They are told it’s awesome. They are told it’s basically a huge club where everyone will love you(which is what basically every awkward teen and preteen want more than anything). It’s glorified in the media, on social media, by teachers and other authoritative figures, in entertainment, and by their peers. OF COURSE that will influence people. But also, there are lots of people who identify for year or two just like a teenage phase(because all teenagers go through phases trying to establish their adult identity). If it really was due to just being allowed and there was no societal influence involved they would never go back to being their natural gender. You wouldn’t see this huge increase in de-transitioning that is starting to emerge. But we see those things. Why? Because there are social forces pushing people in those directions, whether you realize it or not.

Who is "they" and where are "they" being told that being trans is awesome? Which media outlets, teachers, and "other authoritative figures" are glorifying being trans?

Where is this huge incidence of detransitioning occurring? It's certainly not reported in the literature (upper end of estimates are ~3%)

That's not what Jay was trying to express. It's not about acceptance, it's about control. May disagree with the guy but it all started when Peterson was fired from his University for refusing to use certain pronouns, calling a male a female etc. Never in history was the case before, but because it's about control and "you do as I ask" it is now.

It's all become a lie. The whole notion of, let your child have gender reassignment surgery (which is odd that it results in a different sex male or female, but sex and gender are somehow different according to JLC), or you will have a child that takes their life if not, is a complete lie..because the whole movement is based on fear, intimidation and lies.

As a child most of us wanted to be a Teenage Mutant Turtle or a Transformer, but parents did not validate these fantasies because children go through stages of development as they grow. I liked football one year, but baseball the next. I realize I don't need to tell you this, but giving children drugs and performing life altering surgeries because a child FEELS they are in the wrong body, which they have no doubt been influenced by peers, social media, woke teachers, and a child wants attention, is undeniably dangerous.

I see it as a topic used to rally and incite a base. It's just another manifestation of populism. It's interesting how similar the profiles are between those who believe conspiracy theories and those who fall for populist strategies.

How am I supposed to file a police report when I don’t live in Portland and didn’t attend the event? I certainly would if this filth came to my area, thankfully I don’t live in a trash left-leaning community. I have actively spoken out at school board meetings regarding this topic and many others. That’s considerably more engagement in what I believe in than chit posting on the misc and considering it fIgHtInG nAzIs!!

This is an inaccurate account of Peterson's decline into infamy.

Chloe Cole is a great example of this and speaks about the attention she would receive and how it changed on a dime after detransitioning.

I know Wincel likes Tulsi, so maybe he'll give the full show a listen, here is a snippet

A child is not of a developed mind to make such decisions, listen to the interview below, listen to her story, there are many like it, and the suicide rate is the same for teens before and after, that whole premise is a lie

Too soon bro….he’s still recovering from the fact she helped Trump raise money for his campaign.

You're the one who fights to defend it Pat.

I'll take his words over yours, I've seen your dishonesty first hand.

That doesn't answer the questions.

I'd suggest just reading Bill C-16 for yourself. Peterson is just another grifter seeking notoriety.

https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/e.../first-reading

https://bigthink.com/health/transgender-detransition/


Previous research based on data collected prior to 2015 found that just 1% of people detransition after undergoing gender-affirming therapy. However, studies conducted in the past few years find that the rate is likely between 2% and 10%. The apparent increase could be due to reduced scrutiny before starting hormone therapy. Transgender issues have unfortunately grown ideologically charged, even in the scientific community. Both transitioners and detransitioners deserve utmost and equal care and compassion, as well as unbiased scientific study.


In 2017, Dr. Kinnon MacKinnon, an assistant professor of social work at York University in Toronto, thought that transgender detransitioning wasn’t really a thing. Sure, a few people who undergo gender-affirming therapy halt or undo their medical interventions and re-identify as their birth sex, but they are so few in number that their experiences don’t even merit study. After all, doing so might provide empirical firepower to anti-trans forces, he reasoned.

Six years later, Mackinnon, a transgender man, has significantly shifted his stance on detransition. In the past few years, research, including his own, has shown that rates of discontinuing or reversing gender-affirming medical or surgical interventions are likely higher than thought. Even worse, some academics still refuse to study or acknowledge the matter at all, as he once did.

In the last decade alone, transgender acceptance and visibility has greatly grown. This long-overdue attitudinal shift has been accompanied by skyrocketing rates of youth gender dysphoria, a sense of unease due to a mismatch between someone’s biological sex and their gender identity. According to a Reuters analysis published in 2022, new diagnoses among patients aged 6 to 17 grew from 15,172 in 2017 to 42,167 in 2021, nearly doubling between 2020 and 2021 alone.

Lmao at thinking that all of that is just attributed to social acceptance


The seismic jump in youth gender dysphoria, along with vague pre-treatment assessment guidelines, and a lack of trained mental health professionals could lead to higher rates of detransition. Dr. Michael S. Irwig, a board-certified endocrinologist at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center who specializes in transgender health and a member of the faculty at Harvard Medical School shared his concerns on the topic in an article published last year in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism.

“There is reason to believe that the numbers of detransitioners may increase. It is quite possible that low reported rates of detransition and regret in previous populations will no longer apply to current populations,” he wrote.

The most recent research appears to confirm Irwig’s worries. Studies conducted in the past few years find rates of detransition ranging between roughly 2% and 10%, higher than the 1% previously reported.

Currently, most seem to be erring toward the latter consideration. As an unintended consequence, more people are transitioning whose gender dysphoria might not stem from mismatched sex and gender, but rather from some other psychological difficulties perhaps originating from anxiety, depression, or troubles at home.

“The full extent of regret and detransition in young people transitioning today, under vastly different circumstances than in the past, will not be known for many years,” Sarah Jorgenson, a pharmacist and PhD student at the University of Toronto wrote in an article published earlier this month in the Archives of Sexual Behavior.

You understand that taking hormones produces a happier, euphoria state of mind, once they stop, those feelings end. They are making irreversible changes to their body. If you want to do that as a grown adult, I don't agree with it, but it's your freedom to do so, this is not something that we should be entertaining a child with. Can't fukin believe even you are behind this. Seriously WTF??

Just a side note, I can completely understand Bodhy’s eagerness to give children hormone blockers & affirm their gender surgery, but you…? SMH

Well I think we agree in large part on all those points. I’d say one of the guard rails should be refusal to provide anyone under 18 with hormones or other similar therapies that will permanently alter the course of their development. It’s crazy to think that we view someone as too immature to smoke a cigarette or get a tattoo, but we allow them to “decide”(in quotation marks because there are a lot of influences putting ideas in their heads) to block their own puberty or engage in other treatments that will affect them forever.