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03-03-2024, 08:15 AM
#481
Originally Posted By SlavaNaroda⏩
I never said most do. I said the rates are going up which is accurate. And one of the reasons for that is because of the social contagion aspect of it(again just look at the HUGE jump in a single year). Other factors are poor guidelines for diagnosis and treatment, among other things. Which we both agree the care should be better. But the environment in general is terrible which is why rates of anxiety, depression, and other disorders are going through the roof. I think some of that manifests as “transgenderism” because they are so ill, but also think as the article points out that those other issues are sometimes mis-diagnosed as transgenderism.
But your link makes the case that most don't detransition. As I said, this stuff should be on a case by case basis, but policy has to be set to minimize overall harm.
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03-03-2024, 08:18 AM
#482
Originally Posted By SlavaNaroda⏩
The hormones they take don't do that. They are feeling happier because their body is finally in line with what their brains want. Again, you are imposing a moral judgment on this kid's life without any consideration of the mental state of the kid. People have tried tons of other ways to get trans kids to accept their original bodies. It didn't work. What seems to work most of the time is gender affirming care. That's why it's the gold standard for doctors. And that doesn't always mean surgery or even hormones btw.
Testosterone 100% increases dopamine and feelings of well-being regardless of whether it’s given to a male or female, so you’re inaccurate in that regard. Take a woman who 100% identifies as female and give her testosterone and she will have more dopamine/feel better, which has nothing to do with “finally being in line with what the brain wants” because she was already perfectly happy as the sex/gender she was born as.
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03-03-2024, 08:21 AM
#483
Originally Posted By SlavaNaroda⏩
Test does produce a state of euphemism though..that’s not debatable, and they are giving children just that. You are altering their feelings to accept their new reality. Children grow out of how they feel, & change routinely, we should not be entertaining these life altering changes to anyone under 18, I’d go so far as 25.
The hormones they take don't do that. They are feeling happier because their body is finally in line with what their brains want. Again, you are imposing a moral judgment on this kid's life without any consideration of the mental state of the kid. People have tried tons of other ways to get trans kids to accept their original bodies. It didn't work. What seems to work most of the time is gender affirming care. That's why it's the gold standard for doctors. And that doesn't always mean surgery or even hormones btw.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/hea...nder-youth-get
It’s a gold standard for doctors because they get a chit load of money for these operations, don’t fool yourself
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03-03-2024, 08:24 AM
#484
Originally Posted By SlavaNaroda⏩
Suicide rate is the same before & after..please stop using this as an argument, it’s preposterous & a lie.
Where does the magic line at 18 come from though? When I was a child, I knew I was a boy. I liked boy things. I identified as a boy. There are kids who know they are a boy/girl but were born girl/boy. They constantly feel like something is wrong. It causes them a great deal of distress. Most live that way and never change anything. Some dress differently or act differently to be more in line with their preferred gender. Others take it much further and feel they would like to take hormones to develop other secondary sex characteristics. And others take it to the extreme and want to fully convert. In all cases, the goal here is to find a way to reduce suicides and other forms of harm to the patients.
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03-03-2024, 08:40 AM
#485
Originally Posted By SlavaNaroda⏩
Sure, it's taking over women's sports, and now children are being affected, but it isn't a big deal….. Right Wincel?
This. If anything, I am seeing a lot of hostility toward trans people due to politics now making a big deal of it. Most used to give zero fuks about this issue. Now, everyone cares strongly about it even when a lot haven't ever met a trans person.
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03-03-2024, 08:42 AM
#486
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Sorry if there are those of us who refuse to keep our head in the sand, like you.
I see it as a topic used to rally and incite a base. It's just another manifestation of populism. It's interesting how similar the profiles are between those who believe conspiracy theories and those who fall for populist strategies.
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03-03-2024, 08:44 AM
#487
Originally Posted By SlavaNaroda⏩
Youre telling me, that all three of Megan Fox's kids believe they're a female? What are the odds?
Where does the magic line at 18 come from though? When I was a child, I knew I was a boy. I liked boy things. I identified as a boy. There are kids who know they are a boy/girl but were born girl/boy. They constantly feel like something is wrong. It causes them a great deal of distress. Most live that way and never change anything. Some dress differently or act differently to be more in line with their preferred gender. Others take it much further and feel they would like to take hormones to develop other secondary sex characteristics. And others take it to the extreme and want to fully convert. In all cases, the goal here is to find a way to reduce suicides and other forms of harm to the patients.
Also, you're pretty much sterilizing these children by getting them on puberty blockers, and having them get the surgery.
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03-03-2024, 08:44 AM
#488
Originally Posted By SlavaNaroda⏩
You’re too intelligent to say something dumb like “if testosterone makes people feel better then why are there depressed men”. Do better.
I don't think it makes that kind of difference for the levels given, and if that were true, why do depressed men exist?
And ftr, resolving depression is often a benefit of testosterone therapy when given to men.
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03-03-2024, 08:44 AM
#489
Originally Posted By SlavaNaroda⏩
Nope..yours was not a long term study.
Results
The overall mortality for sex-reassigned persons was higher during follow-up (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 1.8–4.3) than for controls of the same birth sex, particularly death from suicide (aHR 19.1; 95% CI 5.8–62.9). Sex-reassigned persons also had an increased risk for suicide attempts (aHR 4.9; 95% CI 2.9–8.5) and psychiatric inpatient care (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 2.0–3.9). Comparisons with controls matched on reassigned sex yielded similar results. Female-to-males, but not male-to-females, had a higher risk for criminal convictions than their respective birth sex controls.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0016885
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03-03-2024, 08:44 AM
#490
Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Not at all what I'm saying.
Sorry if there are those of us who refuse to keep our head in the sand, like you.
But you're putting my actual point
03-03-2024, 08:45 AM
#491
Originally Posted By SlavaNaroda⏩
Interesting that the only places that this is happening is in the red states, red counties. And people like you lose your ****, when it happens.
Ok so ban mtf in women's sports. Easy fix.
It's gonna take the deaths of numerous biological women, for things to truly change.
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03-03-2024, 08:45 AM
#492
Originally Posted By Paul Kreul⏩
Incorrect control group to draw the inference you're trying to draw.
Nope..yours was not a long term study.
Results
The overall mortality for sex-reassigned persons was higher during follow-up (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 1.8–4.3) than for controls of the same birth sex, particularly death from suicide (aHR 19.1; 95% CI 5.8–62.9). Sex-reassigned persons also had an increased risk for suicide attempts (aHR 4.9; 95% CI 2.9–8.5) and psychiatric inpatient care (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 2.0–3.9). Comparisons with controls matched on reassigned sex yielded similar results. Female-to-males, but not male-to-females, had a higher risk for criminal convictions than their respective birth sex controls.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0016885
Results
The overall mortality for sex-reassigned persons was higher during follow-up (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 1.8–4.3) than for controls of the same birth sex, particularly death from suicide (aHR 19.1; 95% CI 5.8–62.9). Sex-reassigned persons also had an increased risk for suicide attempts (aHR 4.9; 95% CI 2.9–8.5) and psychiatric inpatient care (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 2.0–3.9). Comparisons with controls matched on reassigned sex yielded similar results. Female-to-males, but not male-to-females, had a higher risk for criminal convictions than their respective birth sex controls.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0016885
03-03-2024, 08:47 AM
#493
Originally Posted By SlavaNaroda⏩
You can't even get a tattoo before the age of 18, but you can change your sex before the age of 13???
I've seen that one already, and her story is heart breaking. It's still anecdotal. The goal here is to minimize overall harm. Most trans don't detransition or regret it. I've always advocated for some guard rails on this chit. It should be decided on a case by case basis with doctors, parental input, psych evals, and a thorough explanation of the pros and cons to the person.
If there were a way to get trans folks to become more accepting of the bodies they were born with, that would be great. Unfortunately, it just doesn't work.
If there were a way to get trans folks to become more accepting of the bodies they were born with, that would be great. Unfortunately, it just doesn't work.
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03-03-2024, 08:47 AM
#494
Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
On spread, but this is a great point which has been brought up before.
Youre telling me, that all three of Megan Fox's kids believe they're a female? What are the odds?
Also, you're pretty much sterilizing these children by getting them on puberty blockers, and having them get the surgery.
Also, you're pretty much sterilizing these children by getting them on puberty blockers, and having them get the surgery.
The rates of transgenderism in Africa are practically zero. Yet some feminazi leftist in Hollywood can go adopt three African children and they somehow all just happen to be transgendered??
But there’s no social influences though!!
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03-03-2024, 08:50 AM
#495
Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
So angry when someone insults your precious trannies.
Can this p3do just fist himself already?
This is why I never respond to you except to call out your absolute stupidity.
Retard.
This is why I never respond to you except to call out your absolute stupidity.
Retard.
Does your wife know about your fetish, when it comes to chicks with dicks?
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03-03-2024, 08:51 AM
#496
Originally Posted By SlavaNaroda⏩
Wincel, women are getting injured left and right in sports by these freaks. Biological women need to come together, and start boycotting/forfeiting games, to make their voices heard.
Nobody around here cares. It isn't a big issue. People here care mostly about the economy. How are women dying over this? You mean like in MMA fights? Ok so ban mtf in sports. I agree on that. But if you care about women dying, check out what Israel is doing to Gaza.
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03-03-2024, 08:54 AM
#497
Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Don't you constantly use homosexual slurs to insult people? Now you're pretending to support them?
Lmao "it's ok as long as you do your "perversion" the way I want you to".
It's exactly the same failed logic people used with gays in the 90s.
It's exactly the same failed logic people used with gays in the 90s.
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03-03-2024, 08:56 AM
#498
Originally Posted By SlavaNaroda⏩
Walking around in a female locker room, exposing their junk to other females is acceptable to you? Claiming that genital preference is transphobic is acceptable to you? Claiming that lesbians who aren't interested in them, are transphobic is acceptable to you?
I mean…I agree with you on the sport thing. Mtf have physical advantages over biological females. Everyone who has ever seen a tranny leg press knows that. Doesn't mean the entire hate to trans folks nowadays is justified in any way.
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03-03-2024, 08:58 AM
#499
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
No.
Incorrect control group to draw the inference you're trying to draw.
-“The overall mortality for sex-reassigned persons was higher during follow-up (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 1.8–4.3) than for controls of the same birth sex, particularly death from suicide”
Ten to 15 years after surgical reassignment, the suicide rate of those who had undergone sex-reassignment surgery rose to 20 times that of comparable peers.
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03-03-2024, 08:58 AM
#500
Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Don't discriminate against those who spread AIDS, Herpes, and Monkeypox……
See this is the difference between Dems and Reps.
Dems want to give people options to do as they choose, and not be discriminated against.
Reps want to take those rights, and many others, away from you.
Dems want to give people options to do as they choose, and not be discriminated against.
Reps want to take those rights, and many others, away from you.
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03-03-2024, 08:59 AM
#501
Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Where are the logical fallacy monitors?
Walking around in a female locker room, exposing their junk to other females is acceptable to you? Claiming that genital preference is transphobic is acceptable to you? Claiming that lesbians who aren't interested in them, are transphobic is acceptable to you?
Just lol
03-03-2024, 09:02 AM
#502
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Where are the logical fallacy monitors?
Just lol
Just lol
It’s illusionary, you fundamentally cannot change sex. The surgery doesn't alter you genetically. It's genital mutilation. The 'vagina' is just the bag of scrotum.
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03-03-2024, 09:04 AM
#503
Originally Posted By SlavaNaroda⏩
Point being, there is clearly a social influence aspect to it…which apparently went right over your head.
If you think she's abusing her kids, report her.
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03-03-2024, 09:07 AM
#504
Originally Posted By SlavaNaroda⏩
Jeez Wincel, you don’t have a girlfriend, thankfully you’ll never have offspring. You likely didn’t know anyone trapped in the wrong body growing up but you make stories up to fit your Marxist agenda
Nobody around here cares. It isn't a big issue. People here care mostly about the economy. How are women dying over this? You mean like in MMA fights? Ok so ban mtf in sports. I agree on that. But if you care about women dying, check out what Israel is doing to Gaza.
Go back to sitting on your uncles knee and let him play with you
Scubastevo :-What percentage of women have STDs? (serious) If I just wanted to go bareback with any girl that I could get with, what are my chances of ending up bed ridden with STDs?
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03-03-2024, 09:12 AM
#505
Originally Posted By Paul Kreul⏩
This has nothing to do with Dave's straw men.
It’s illusionary, you fundamentally cannot change sex. The surgery doesn't alter you genetically. It's genital mutilation. The 'vagina' is just the bag of scrotum.
03-03-2024, 09:12 AM
#506
Originally Posted By SlavaNaroda⏩
Please, who tf are you fooling, exposing genitalia has not only become a right, but a celebration. Go down to SF some time if you think I’m being dishonest
Yep. If you sexually assault people, it's already a crime. If a person is "exposing their junk" in a deliberately provocative way, that is already a crime. Claiming chit is legal provided it isn't threatening or defamatory. You don't have to agree with them. You should understand this as a cop, Dave.
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03-03-2024, 09:18 AM
#507
Originally Posted By SlavaNaroda⏩
You think gender reassignment surgery (that somehow results in a different SEX, but sex & gender are somehow different hurr durr) alters one’s genes?
Dr Kreul has spoken, ladies and gentlemen. And…others.
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03-03-2024, 09:19 AM
#508
Originally Posted By SlavaNaroda⏩
Can't wait to see how the puritans react you this post
I am not a fan of pride parades if that is what you are talking about. Different issue though. Also, people being nude is not the same as provocative sexual exposure, which is a kind of sexual assault, which is a crime. Naked bike ride is not a crime. Flashing someone to get off is. Why are our laws retarded? Ask SCOTUS. Also, just my personal opinion, but someone being naked doesn't really affect or harm you in any way. Seeing a dick or tits isn't going to scar anyone, and it's hilarious that our laws act like it does.
Ban locker rooms!
03-03-2024, 09:22 AM
#509
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
It's what's happening, ****ing retard.
Where are the logical fallacy monitors?
Just lol
Just lol
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03-03-2024, 09:23 AM
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You people deserve the world you allow.
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