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11-25-2019, 07:31 AM
#5461
Originally Posted By x-trainer ben⏩
Jimmy being a weak link is up in the air.
Great assessment!
What's the situation where he has to show himself?
Are we just down by 4+ but we have the full offense out there and the OL is playing well?
Because i've seen a lot of people make judgements on Jimmy off the Seattle game and I can't stress enough how awful the situation in that game was for ANY QB, let alone someone who doesn't have 2 seasons worth of starts under his belt.
Brutal pass protection
Running game struggling
Top 2 playmakers out most of the game(he sure wasn't struggling before Sanders got hurt)
7(maybe more) drops by receivers, several on 3rd down.
What QB wouldn't be a "weak" link in that situation?
Give Jimmy protection and give him Kittle, Sanders and Deebo and he'll make the plays. He doesn't have to be Mahomes to play well. Video game numbers are great but look at Mahomes vs the Chargers. Even the best have bad games.
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11-25-2019, 08:02 AM
#5462
Originally Posted By iamgenus⏩
Yikes.
This is why ESPN is a joke(well one of the reasons)
Check out their QBR grades from last night.
That's out of 100 btw.
Check out their QBR grades from last night.
That's out of 100 btw.
The total QBR stat has long been a joke.
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11-25-2019, 09:24 AM
#5463
Originally Posted By iamgenus⏩
Ok replace the word "weak" with another one. The point is that when he is back there you have a few "oh chit" or "don't throw a pick" moments as he develops and gets more confident. Don't get me wrong, he is great but i am 80% confident when he gets ready to throw. I do see your point about the other pieces of the puzzle.
Jimmy being a weak link is up in the air.
What's the situation where he has to show himself?
Are we just down by 4+ but we have the full offense out there and the OL is playing well?
Because i've seen a lot of people make judgements on Jimmy off the Seattle game and I can't stress enough how awful the situation in that game was for ANY QB, let alone someone who doesn't have 2 seasons worth of starts under his belt.
Brutal pass protection
Running game struggling
Top 2 playmakers out most of the game(he sure wasn't struggling before Sanders got hurt)
7(maybe more) drops by receivers, several on 3rd down.
What QB wouldn't be a "weak" link in that situation?
Give Jimmy protection and give him Kittle, Sanders and Deebo and he'll make the plays. He doesn't have to be Mahomes to play well. Video game numbers are great but look at Mahomes vs the Chargers. Even the best have bad games.
What's the situation where he has to show himself?
Are we just down by 4+ but we have the full offense out there and the OL is playing well?
Because i've seen a lot of people make judgements on Jimmy off the Seattle game and I can't stress enough how awful the situation in that game was for ANY QB, let alone someone who doesn't have 2 seasons worth of starts under his belt.
Brutal pass protection
Running game struggling
Top 2 playmakers out most of the game(he sure wasn't struggling before Sanders got hurt)
7(maybe more) drops by receivers, several on 3rd down.
What QB wouldn't be a "weak" link in that situation?
Give Jimmy protection and give him Kittle, Sanders and Deebo and he'll make the plays. He doesn't have to be Mahomes to play well. Video game numbers are great but look at Mahomes vs the Chargers. Even the best have bad games.
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11-25-2019, 09:36 AM
#5464
Originally Posted By x-trainer ben⏩
I'm sure you've seen the comparisons to other QBs with similar amount of starts right?
Ok replace the word "weak" with another one. The point is that when he is back there you have a few "oh chit" or "don't throw a pick" moments as he develops and gets more confident. Don't get me wrong, he is great but i am 80% confident when he gets ready to throw. I do see your point about the other pieces of the puzzle.
Game experience is key for Kyle's offense. We've seen how Matt Ryan looked year 1 under Kyle with all his weapons.
66.3% 4591 21 16
Year 2
69.9% 4944 38 7
Now to be fair they did add some more talent that offseason on the OL with Alex Mack and added Sanu in FA but he still had Julio Jones and Roddy White with some other decent vets in that first season. He also wasn't coming off an ACL injury the year prior.
And just to add a little from the post ACL injury situation. Here is what Tom Brady did the year after his ACL injury with Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, Ben Watson and a stable of decent RBs.
65.7% 4398 28 13
As long as we see Jimmy learning from his mistakes and getting more comfortable in Kyle's offense we'll be in good shape. Especially if we can stay healthy, OL can play decent enough and our young WRs develop.
11-25-2019, 09:40 AM
#5465
Originally Posted By shmobin⏩
DAS IT MAYNE! I predict Brees gets the same treatment.
100% agreed.
I do think Rodgers is going to take a punishment this weekend.
And if we can contain the run, the tour is going to be over for GB. If the 9ers win this one, they will go into Baltimore very strong. They just have to stay ahead of the injuries and interceptions…. Garoppolo.. lol
11-25-2019, 09:51 AM
#5466
No i had not, but thank you for the very thorough explanation. So we are looking at several variables; Kyles offense, Acl surgery, his learning curve, and injuries to others. That's fair, and after a 4-12 season last year, we are playing with house money.
Originally Posted By iamgenus⏩
I'm sure you've seen the comparisons to other QBs with similar amount of starts right?
Game experience is key for Kyle's offense. We've seen how Matt Ryan looked year 1 under Kyle with all his weapons.
66.3% 4591 21 16
Year 2
69.9% 4944 38 7
Now to be fair they did add some more talent that offseason on the OL with Alex Mack and added Sanu in FA but he still had Julio Jones and Roddy White with some other decent vets in that first season. He also wasn't coming off an ACL injury the year prior.
And just to add a little from the post ACL injury situation. Here is what Tom Brady did the year after his ACL injury with Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, Ben Watson and a stable of decent RBs.
65.7% 4398 28 13
As long as we see Jimmy learning from his mistakes and getting more comfortable in Kyle's offense we'll be in good shape. Especially if we can stay healthy, OL can play decent enough and our young WRs develop.
Game experience is key for Kyle's offense. We've seen how Matt Ryan looked year 1 under Kyle with all his weapons.
66.3% 4591 21 16
Year 2
69.9% 4944 38 7
Now to be fair they did add some more talent that offseason on the OL with Alex Mack and added Sanu in FA but he still had Julio Jones and Roddy White with some other decent vets in that first season. He also wasn't coming off an ACL injury the year prior.
And just to add a little from the post ACL injury situation. Here is what Tom Brady did the year after his ACL injury with Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, Ben Watson and a stable of decent RBs.
65.7% 4398 28 13
As long as we see Jimmy learning from his mistakes and getting more comfortable in Kyle's offense we'll be in good shape. Especially if we can stay healthy, OL can play decent enough and our young WRs develop.
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11-25-2019, 10:19 AM
#5467
Originally Posted By x-trainer ben⏩
Exactly. I can't track down that list of QBs now but I know Peyton Manning was #2 in turnovers and he turned out ok(at least regular season wise)
No i had not, but thank you for the very thorough explanation. So we are looking at several variables; Kyles offense, Acl surgery, his learning curve, and injuries to others. That's fair, and after a 4-12 season last year, we are playing with house money.
So far this year we've needed Jimmy to win the game for us 3/4 times.
1. Pittsburgh - throws game winner to Pettis
2. Arizona - D has an off game and Jimmy throws for 300 yards 4 TDs 0 picks.
3. Seattle - no Kittle, no Sanders most of the game, drops, poor OL play - gets us into FG range to tie(kick made), gets us into FG range in OT(kick is missed)
4. Arizona - D has an off game and Jimmy throws for 400 yards 4 TDs including game winner.
So out of all the games where things weren't perfect on D and rushing game and we needed him to throw only the Seattle game was the one he failed to deliver and that included a lot of awful play on the offensive side of the ball and he still got us into FG range in OT.
11-25-2019, 10:59 AM
#5468
And don't forget about this guy in the Seattle game: Jadeveon Clowney
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11-25-2019, 02:45 PM
#5469
Can we give a shout out to Brunskill?? How valuable has he been? Took over for Skule and played great
and shout out to DJ Jones. dude was an animal last night
and shout out to DJ Jones. dude was an animal last night
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11-25-2019, 03:14 PM
#5470
Originally Posted By blinkers88⏩
I love DJ Jones. Thicc boi comes in like a wrecking ball.
Can we give a shout out to Brunskill?? How valuable has he been? Took over for Skule and played great
and shout out to DJ Jones. dude was an animal last night
and shout out to DJ Jones. dude was an animal last night
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11-25-2019, 03:19 PM
#5471
Originally Posted By blinkers88⏩
DJ Jones is showing the F up. Losing him early in the Hawks game was a big loss(see a trend in that game?) I thought he’d be a good run stopper for us but he’s getting some great pass rush looks for us too.
Can we give a shout out to Brunskill?? How valuable has he been? Took over for Skule and played great
and shout out to DJ Jones. dude was an animal last night
and shout out to DJ Jones. dude was an animal last night
Crazy to think about what could’ve been with that 2017 draft class if Thomas and Foster weren’t busts for their own respective reasons.
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11-25-2019, 03:23 PM
#5472
Originally Posted By iamgenus⏩
Did Solomon Thomas play? I can't remember hearing his name.
DJ Jones is showing the F up. Losing him early in the Hawks game was a big loss(see a trend in that game?) I thought he’d be a good run stopper for us but he’s getting some great pass rush looks for us too.
Crazy to think about what could’ve been with that 2017 draft class if Thomas and Foster weren’t busts for their own respective reasons.
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DJ Jones
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Crazy to think about what could’ve been with that 2017 draft class if Thomas and Foster weren’t busts for their own respective reasons.
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11-25-2019, 03:25 PM
#5473
Originally Posted By markkillerings⏩
Saw him in quite a few plays against Green Bay.
Did Solomon Thomas play? I can't remember hearing his name.
Saw him before the snap, disappeared after the snap. Confirmed bust.
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11-25-2019, 03:28 PM
#5474
Originally Posted By Blasting⏩
Yeah I love Solly as a person but he’s a bust especially where he was taken. Only chance he has of doing anything helpful is inside. He got most of his snaps outside last night tho.
Saw him in quite a few plays against Green Bay.
Saw him before the snap, disappeared after the snap. Confirmed bust.
Saw him before the snap, disappeared after the snap. Confirmed bust.
D Moore out for the season
. We’re getting thin at edge again. Not good.
11-25-2019, 06:25 PM
#5475
Losing Moore sucks, hopefully Ford can play but don't want him risking aggravating that injury if he's not ready to come back.
Ravens are smacking the Rams so far, going to be a big time battle next weekend.
Really sucks that we couldn't get the W against Seattle and that the playoff and division race is still so close.
Beating down the Packers was awesome, going to have to continue with that momentum.
Ravens are smacking the Rams so far, going to be a big time battle next weekend.
Really sucks that we couldn't get the W against Seattle and that the playoff and division race is still so close.
Beating down the Packers was awesome, going to have to continue with that momentum.
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11-25-2019, 06:34 PM
#5476
Rams doing us no favors in this game. Was hoping they’d at least make the Ravens work.
At this rate Ravens gonna pull their starters before the 4th quarter starts.
Their OL and running attack is insane. Our D is going to have a bitch of a time trying to stop them. Gonna need some lucky breaks, forced turnovers on D and the offense has to play their best game of the year to pull out this next one…
At this rate Ravens gonna pull their starters before the 4th quarter starts.
Their OL and running attack is insane. Our D is going to have a bitch of a time trying to stop them. Gonna need some lucky breaks, forced turnovers on D and the offense has to play their best game of the year to pull out this next one…
11-25-2019, 06:42 PM
#5477
What a game this is setting up to be. I'm hyped as fuk already. Gotta feeling we're really gonna miss Kwon though
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11-25-2019, 07:37 PM
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Being the weak link on a Super Bowl Champion caliber team is not necessarily an insult. It's all relative. Would probably be a strong link on a lot of other teams.
But I don't think we've had too many games where we were like "Damn, Jimmy G played lights out, if only the defense did their job"
Again, I am BEYOND ECSTATIC, but let's not act like Jimmy is a top 10 QB yet. Yet.
But I don't think we've had too many games where we were like "Damn, Jimmy G played lights out, if only the defense did their job"
Again, I am BEYOND ECSTATIC, but let's not act like Jimmy is a top 10 QB yet. Yet.
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11-26-2019, 05:31 AM
#5479
Man I honestly have no clue how we stop this Ravens team right now. I feel like game plans go completely out the window with Lamar out there. Guy is fuking electric and playing on another level. Our tackling will have to be like it was against GB. Cuz if it's anywhere like it was against Arizona we're in trouble.
11-26-2019, 05:34 AM
#5480
Originally Posted By BigDeeps01⏩
Being the weak link on a Super Bowl Champion caliber team is not necessarily an insult. It's all relative. Would probably be a strong link on a lot of other teams.
But I don't think we've had too many games where we were like "Damn, Jimmy G played lights out, if only the defense did their job"
Again, I am BEYOND ECSTATIC, but let's not act like Jimmy is a top 10 QB yet. Yet.
But I don't think we've had too many games where we were like "Damn, Jimmy G played lights out, if only the defense did their job"
Again, I am BEYOND ECSTATIC, but let's not act like Jimmy is a top 10 QB yet. Yet.
lol i had a big response typed up but for whatever the reason it won't let me post it so I'll keep it short.
QB position is one of the toughest in sports and IMO if we had the Jimmy equivalent along the OL or WR we'd be a better team for it. So I think calling him our weak link is not accurate. I understand what you're trying to say but I think you're low balling the guy based on what he's done this year.
11th in QB rating
6th in completion %
12th in yards
6th in TDs
7th in Y/A
And after last night's game just a hair behind now Lamar Jackson(52.8%) with 52.7% for 3rd down completion %.
11-26-2019, 06:48 AM
#5481
Originally Posted By iamgenus⏩
I still don't have him in the top 10 though, do you?
lol i had a big response typed up but for whatever the reason it won't let me post it so I'll keep it short.
QB position is one of the toughest in sports and IMO if we had the Jimmy equivalent along the OL or WR we'd be a better team for it. So I think calling him our weak link is not accurate. I understand what you're trying to say but I think you're low balling the guy based on what he's done this year.
11th in QB rating
6th in completion %
12th in yards
6th in TDs
7th in Y/A
And after last night's game just a hair behind now Lamar Jackson(52.8%) with 52.7% for 3rd down completion %.
QB position is one of the toughest in sports and IMO if we had the Jimmy equivalent along the OL or WR we'd be a better team for it. So I think calling him our weak link is not accurate. I understand what you're trying to say but I think you're low balling the guy based on what he's done this year.
11th in QB rating
6th in completion %
12th in yards
6th in TDs
7th in Y/A
And after last night's game just a hair behind now Lamar Jackson(52.8%) with 52.7% for 3rd down completion %.
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11-26-2019, 07:05 AM
#5482
Can't wait for this Ravens game man, both teams looking awesome right now. If we can go in there and get a win I don't see how anyone can say anything bad about this team anymore.
I know their offense looks unstoppable but it's relatively simplistic, we all saw it with Harbaugh and Roman and Kap. If we can stop the run and keep Jackson in the pocket I like our chances. Now that easier said then done but if there is any defense out there that can do it it's ours. They'll make some plays but so will we. I like our chances in this game and think it will be a classic game.
I know their offense looks unstoppable but it's relatively simplistic, we all saw it with Harbaugh and Roman and Kap. If we can stop the run and keep Jackson in the pocket I like our chances. Now that easier said then done but if there is any defense out there that can do it it's ours. They'll make some plays but so will we. I like our chances in this game and think it will be a classic game.
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11-26-2019, 08:50 AM
#5483
Who were the teams that beat the Ravens?
We do what they did and watch the tape,lol.
We do what they did and watch the tape,lol.
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11-26-2019, 08:54 AM
#5484
Originally Posted By x-trainer ben⏩
That team last night wasn't the Ravens that got beat.
Who were the teams that beat the Ravens?
We do what they did and watch the tape,lol.
We do what they did and watch the tape,lol.
The winner on Sunday will be the best team in the league for sure.
11-26-2019, 09:06 AM
#5485
Originally Posted By BigDeeps01⏩
No particular order.
I still don't have him in the top 10 though, do you?
Pat Mahomes
Russell Wilson
Tom Brady
Lamar Jackson
Drew Brees
Dak Prescott
Deshaun Watson
Aaron Rodgers
Matt Stafford
Kirk Cousins
I'd have a tough time officially putting him over any of those guys right now whether over a proven track record, play this year and/or experience.
I definitely think he's just on the outside and if he keeps improving in that offense he should crack that list sooner rather than later IMO.
11-26-2019, 09:14 AM
#5486
Originally Posted By shmobin⏩
Yeah the Ravens team that lost to Cleveland(I know right!?) has come a LONG way from what they were early in the season. They also got healthy in their secondary and added a big playmaker at corner in Peters.
That team last night wasn't the Ravens that got beat.
The winner on Sunday will be the best team in the league for sure.
The winner on Sunday will be the best team in the league for sure.
Their OL is studly. Ronnie Stanley is the highest graded T in the NFL this year so our DL will not have it easy in this game even rushing the passer. The fact that Lamar is such a threat to run makes this game very different for our defense. From the "all gas no breaks" we have to adjust to more of a "break then gas"
May have to just try to keep contain and hope our coverage holds up if he's going to pass.
Baltimore is simply an awful matchup for us but I'm hoping this D can continue to impress us and find a way to at least keep them from marching it down the field for TDs each drive like the Rams did and give our offense a chance to outscore them.
11-26-2019, 10:02 AM
#5487
Originally Posted By iamgenus⏩
Looks about right. If Jimmy can string a few more good games together I think I would bump him over Dak and Stafford. Heck I'm old enough to remember when Cousins wasn't the answer in Minnesota
No particular order.
Pat Mahomes
Russell Wilson
Tom Brady
Lamar Jackson
Drew Brees
Dak Prescott
Deshaun Watson
Aaron Rodgers
Matt Stafford
Kirk Cousins
I'd have a tough time officially putting him over any of those guys right now whether over a proven track record, play this year and/or experience.
I definitely think he's just on the outside and if he keeps improving in that offense he should crack that list sooner rather than later IMO.
Pat Mahomes
Russell Wilson
Tom Brady
Lamar Jackson
Drew Brees
Dak Prescott
Deshaun Watson
Aaron Rodgers
Matt Stafford
Kirk Cousins
I'd have a tough time officially putting him over any of those guys right now whether over a proven track record, play this year and/or experience.
I definitely think he's just on the outside and if he keeps improving in that offense he should crack that list sooner rather than later IMO.
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11-26-2019, 10:04 AM
#5488
I don't think we can beat Baltimore with Lamar. 49ers struggle against QBs who can run. Maybe we get lucky and Lamar will want to try being a pocket QB all game.
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11-26-2019, 11:50 AM
#5489
Originally Posted By Miked1978⏩
So much doom and gloom ITT
I don't think we can beat Baltimore with Lamar. 49ers struggle against QBs who can run. Maybe we get lucky and Lamar will want to try being a pocket QB all game.
Those 3 weeks of Murray and Wilson they averaged 207 yards passing against us and that is heavily inflated by that fluky 88 yard TD by Isabella. They averaged 53 yards rushing in those games. 260 yards a game from those QB’s inflated by a long fluky TD and a full OT. Really not struggling.
I want to see them play 10 in the box, contain the edges and let Tartt spy him. We’re the only team Baltimore will have faced that can create a ton of pressure with 4 guys (hopefully Ford is back). If we can get to him with 4 and he’s spied with a safety we can make him struggle. He’s gonna make some plays but we can force turnovers with our zones.
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11-26-2019, 01:27 PM
#5490
Originally Posted By Blasting⏩
The reason I'm worried isn't as much our "struggles" vs mobile QBs but that in conjunction with what the Ravens have done since their bye week. I mean we're talking insane production.
So much doom and gloom ITT
Those 3 weeks of Murray and Wilson they averaged 207 yards passing against us and that is heavily inflated by that fluky 88 yard TD by Isabella. They averaged 53 yards rushing in those games. 260 yards a game from those QB’s inflated by a long fluky TD and a full OT. Really not struggling.
I want to see them play 10 in the box, contain the edges and let Tartt spy him. We’re the only team Baltimore will have faced that can create a ton of pressure with 4 guys (hopefully Ford is back). If we can get to him with 4 and he’s spied with a safety we can make him struggle. He’s gonna make some plays but we can force turnovers with our zones.
Those 3 weeks of Murray and Wilson they averaged 207 yards passing against us and that is heavily inflated by that fluky 88 yard TD by Isabella. They averaged 53 yards rushing in those games. 260 yards a game from those QB’s inflated by a long fluky TD and a full OT. Really not struggling.
I want to see them play 10 in the box, contain the edges and let Tartt spy him. We’re the only team Baltimore will have faced that can create a ton of pressure with 4 guys (hopefully Ford is back). If we can get to him with 4 and he’s spied with a safety we can make him struggle. He’s gonna make some plays but we can force turnovers with our zones.
I saw a stat something like they've only punted twice in their last 3 games and both of those drives had RG3 in as QB.
Really what they did against the Pats is the craziest thing. As talented as they are and how well they're coached, especially to play within the scheme and to get beaten like that shows me the Ravens are for real.
We'll see what happens of course and any given Sunday applies. We're a talented team of our own but this is a game we may miss Kwon the most with all the multi TE packages Ravens love to use.
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