I find it funny and frustrating at the same time that everyone was hyping up Wentz as the next Luck/Brady like prospect and now that it sounds like Rams traded up to draft Goff we get stuff like this…

CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora reports the Browns think the gulf in talent between Cal QB Jared Goff and North Dakota State QB Carson Wentz is "fairly wide."

To me their talent level isn't that far apart and Wentz obviously has the better physical ability but as far as QB ability right now Goff is definitely much better which is why I wanted him so bad.

In on first page. Reps for all!

Chances of us trading away our #7 pick now that Rams are in the position to take Goff?

Browns are now shopping the #2 pick. Clearly they think the difference between Goff and Wentz is pretty huge now

I think it all depends how the draft breaks down.

IMO our best move is to trade down if Buckner and Jack are gone. In fact I really only want Buckner at #7 with Goff and Wentz gone.

Those guys are old. It's a different game now, it's a lot easier on quarterbacks.







All of these up and coming QB's played their rookie year. I really don't get the idea of sitting your franchise QB. In any new job, most people struggle at the beginning, at least compared to how well they perform the job, after a few years. Not sure why people think if a quarterback struggles his rookie year he'll never get over it. If that is the case then that player was never mentally tough enough to be a franchise QB. Or he was just never that good.

The idea that we want quarterbacks to sit back and watch on the sidelines in the NFL, but we rip QB prospects who didn't play a lot of games in college…it blows my mind.

Totally different situation IMO. If you can't succeed in college then odds are you're not going to succeed in the NFL. Plus there is only so much actual coaching happening in college. It's more time management, some basic coaching to fit a certain scheme and most of it is - use your athletic ability and make plays. NFL is a much more thinking man's game where knowing what you're doing and technique is a huge part of success or failure. The game is faster and more complex, the players are bigger and stronger.

The reason why you sit your top QB is to ease him into things and give him a higher % to succeed when he's thrown out there. Some guys get so shell shocked that they start seeing ghosts. Some throw so many picks that they don't trust what they're seeing out there and get hesitant to throw the ball - see Alex and Blaine.

If you let your young QB sit and let him soak up the coaching, get his mechanics in check and improve the team around him so he's not fighting for his life out there your odds of him having success sky rocket IMO.

I wasn't talking about college QB's that can't get on the field due to lack of talent. I was talking about guys like Cam Newton.

Lol if you watched Gabbert in college you already saw he was scared of contact. That wasn't created his rookie year.

Someone just pointed out this article to me about Luke Falk….it's official. This dude is my next year's draft crush unless he totally implodes this upcoming season

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/w...2-quarterback/

One of the biggest things to me is that the player wants this more than anything and the desire to work on his weaknesses and make himself into a better player.

Falk is already doing the things which show his passion for the sport and his drive to get better. Get this guy and Chip Kelly together and they're making some chit happen.

He does need to bulk up though. Similar to Goff in a lot of ways - runs a pass heavy offense, thin frame but slings it pretty well.

Not sure how this this going to paste but every year I take various site's big boards and average out the rankings. Gives me a good indication on where the player might go in the draft. Kinda like a composite big board I guess. I take CBSSports, Walter Football, Scout, Todd McShay, Kiper (hard to get), nfldraftcountdown, Matt Miller, Josh Norris (rotoworld), Football Insiders (Pat Kirwin) and a few more.

Laremy Tunsil 2.1
Jalen Ramsey 3.4
Joey Bosa 3.7
Myles Jack 4.5
DeForest Buckner 5.8
Ezekiel Elliott 7.2
Jared Goff 8.6
Ronnie Stanley 9.2
Carson Wentz 12.9
Vernon Hargreaves III 13.2
Laquon Treadwell 17.1
Shaq Lawson 18.3
Reggie Ragland 18.6
Leonard Floyd 18.7
Jaylon Smith 20.3
Jarran Reed 20.5
Corey Coleman 20.5
A'Shawn Robinson 20.8
Sheldon Rankins 21.3
Jack Conklin 22.8
Darron Lee 22.9
Mackensie Alexander 23.3
Robert Nkemdiche 24.8
Andrew Billings 25.8
Taylor Decker 27.0
Paxton Lynch 27.7
Josh Doctson 29.8
Eli Apple 30.2
Noah Spence 31.8
Emmanuel Ogbah 32.1
Will Fuller 33.5
Vernon Butler 34.5
Michael Thomas 35.2
Kevin Dodd 37.2
Kenny Clark 37.4
Ryan Kelly 38.3
Jonathan Bullard 39.2
William Jackson III 39.9
Jason Spriggs 40.4
Cody Whitehair 40.8
Hunter Henry 41.8
Austin Johnson 43.5
Derrick Henry 43.7
Germain Ifedi 46.0
Kamalei Correa 49.0
Su'a Cravens 50.1
Sterling Shepard 52.4
Connor Cook 52.9
Kendall Fuller 52.9
Chris Jones 53.2
Adolphus Washington 53.6
Keanu Neal 54.9
Vonn Bell 55.0
Tyler Boyd 55.3
Joshua Garnett 57.0
Shilique Calhoun 57.4
Karl Joseph 57.8
Joshua Perry 60.6
Braxton Miller 61.9
Jordan Jenkins 66.2
Shon Coleman 66.9
Leonte Carroo 67.3
Christian Hackenberg 67.4
Jalen Mills 68.6
Jerald Hawkins 68.7
Deion Jones 71.2
Jeremy Cash 71.2
Carl Nassib 71.7
Nick Martin 72.3
Sheldon Day 72.6
Darian Thompson 73.0
Xavien Howard 73.9
Maliek Collins 74.7
Austin Hooper 76.2
Pharoh Cooper 77.6
Kenneth Dixon 78.2
Devontae Booker 78.4
Kyler Fackrell 82.0
Nick Vannett 82.1
Le'Raven Clark 82.4
Jordan Howard 84.4
Artie Burns 84.4
Zack Sanchez 85.8
Alex Collins 86.2
Kentrell Brothers 87.3
C.J. Prosise 87.6
Bronson Kaufusi 87.8
Will Redmond 90.3
Rashard Higgins 90.4
Vadal Alexander 90.9
Willie Henry 92.0
Hassan Ridgeway 92.6
Paul Perkins 92.9
Roberto Aguayo 95.6
Scooby Wright III 95.7
Jihad Ward 96.0
Christian Westerman 96.6
Kenny Lawler 99.9
Miles Killebrew 104.6
Jayron Kearse 104.8
Charles Tapper 104.9
Tyler Higbee 105.6
Landon Turner 107.0
Harlan Miller 107.7
Shawn Oakman 108.0
Jerell Adams 109.4
Dak Prescott 109.6
Yannick Ngakoue 112.3
Sebastian Tretola 114.0
Javon Hargrave 114.1
T.J. Green 114.5
Tyler Matakevich 114.7
Dominique Alexander 115.0
Kyle Murphy 116.6
Cyrus Jones 117.3
Eric Murray 118.4
Will Anthony 119.0
DeAndre Houston-Carson 121.4
KeiVarae Russell 121.7
Joe Schobert 123.3
Maurice Canady 126.0
Max Tuerk 128.0
Ronald Blair 128.7
Jack Allen 129.7
Joe Haeg 130.7
Adam Gotsis 130.8
Spencer Drango 131.3
Kenyan Drake 131.4
Evan Boehm 132.2
D.J. White 132.8
Isaac Seumalo 133.0
Jonathan Jones 134.0
Jacoby Brissett 135.0
Jordan Payton 135.0
James Cowser 135.8
Willie Beavers 136.3
Jason Fanaika 137.0
Matt Judon 138.8
Matt Ioannidis 139.0
Cardale Jones 139.2
Jonathan Williams 139.2
Aaron Burbridge 139.3
De'Vondre Campbell 139.8
Rees Odhiambo 142.5
Bralon Addison 142.7
Nick Vigil 142.8
Blake Martinez 143.7
Kelvin Taylor 143.8
D.J. Reader 146.0
Eric Striker 146.5
John Theus 147.6
Connor McGovern 148.4
Tajae Sharpe 150.7
Anthony Zettel 150.8
Tyvis Powell 151.0
Roger Lewis 152.0
Daniel Braverman 152.8
Bryce Williams 154.8
Nile Lawrence-Stample 155.8
Brandon Allen 155.8
Kolby Listenbee 156.7
Thomas Duarte 157.2
Kevin Byard 157.3
Briean Boddy-Calhoun 157.4
Kevon Seymour 158.6
Caleb Benenoch 158.7
Malcolm Mitchell 159.1
Keyarris Garrett 159.5
Joe Dahl 159.9
Parker Ehinger 160.0
Jared Norris 160.4
Daryl Worley 162.5
Daniel Lasco 163.0
Cody Kessler 163.2
Graham Glasgow 164.1
Joe Thuney 164.4
Travis Feeney 165.0
Deiondre' Hall 166.8
Kevin Hogan 168.3
Nick Kwiatkoski 169.0
Justin Simmons 169.6
Demarcus Robinson 169.8
Rashard Robinson 173.0
Ben Braunecker 173.7
Cole Toner 174.6
Devon Cajuste 178.0
Deon Bush 179.0
Victor Ochi 179.2
James Bradberry 179.6
Tyler Ervin 179.7
Juston Burris 180.0
Josh Ferguson 180.6
Austin Blythe 180.8
David Morgan II 182.2
Cayleb Jones 183.0
Henry Krieger Coble 185.0
Vernon Adams Jr. 185.8
Leon Allen 186.0
Jatavis Brown 186.2
Glenn Gronkowski 186.3
Stephen Weatherly 189.0
Avery Young 191.0
Romeo Okwara 191.8
Terrance Smith 193.0
Brandon Doughty 193.2
Jeff Driskel 194.3
Denver Kirkland 195.8
Brandon Shell 196.4
Jaydon Mickens 196.5
Nate Sudfeld 196.8
Tom Hackett 197.3
Nelson Spruce 198.3
Morgan Burns 198.3
Antonio Morrison 203.5
Josh Forrest 203.8
Halapoulivaati Vaitai 205.5
Dan Vitale 206.8
Cre'von LeBlanc 207.3
Charone Peake 207.4
Jake McGee 209.2
Kavon Frazier 209.7
DeAndre Washington 210.0
Ka'imi Fairbairn 212.5
Quinton Jefferson 213.8
Paul McRoberts 214.0
Aaron Green 214.5
Demarcus Ayers 214.8
Dadi Nicolas 215.8
Kevin Peterson 216.2
Beniquez Brown 216.7
Taveze Calhoun 218.0
Darius Latham 219.0
Jalin Marshall 219.2
Tyler Johnstone 224.3
Ken Crawley 224.5
Keith Marshall 224.8
Wendell Smallwood 225.5
Cassanova McKinzy 227.0
Tanner McEvoy 227.5
Sean Davis 228.0
Matt Skura 228.4
Luke Rhodes 228.5
Eric Mac Lain 228.5
Alex McCalister 228.6
Aziz ****tu 229.3
Chris Moore 229.8
Trevon Coley 230.0
Dean Lowry 231.4
MarQuez North 232.5
Tre Madden 233.0
Mike Jordan 233.0
Alex Lewis 234.3
Tyrone Holmes 235.5
Ryan Smith 236.5
Ron Thompson 237.7
Luther Maddy 237.8
Fahn Cooper 238.0
Donte Deayon 238.3
Drew Kaser 238.8
Jordan Walsh 239.0
Frankie Williams 239.0
Ugonna Awuruonye 240.5
Jordan Lomax 240.7
Trae Elston 241.0
Jordan Lucas 242.3
Antwaun Woods 242.3
LeShaun Sims 243.3
D.J. Foster 243.3
Hunter Sharp 243.6
Cody Core 244.0
Trent Matthews 244.0
Vincent Valentine 247.8
Marteze Waller 248.0
Clint Van Horn 248.0
Chris Swain 249.5
Lloyd Carrington 250.3
Derek Watt 250.5
Chris Brown 251.0
Sean Price 251.0
Doug Middleton 251.5
Pearce Slater 252.3
Ian Seau 253.5
Steve Longa 254.0
Jordan Williams 254.0
Elijah Shumate 257.5
Beau Sandland 257.6
Keenan Reynolds 258.0
London Kent 258.0
KJ Dillon 259.0
Peyton Barber 259.3
Geronimo Allison 259.8
Clayton Fejedelem 260.0
Steven Daniels 261.6
David J. Grinnage 262.0
Ryan Malleck 262.5
Tyler Marz 265.3
Kris Frost 266.8
Darion Griswold 267.5
Marshall Morgan 269.5
Taysom Hill 270.0
Ricardo Louis 271.3
Mike Hilton 272.0
Joel Heath 274.0
Theiren Cockran 275.0
De'Runnya Wilson 275.7
Kyle Carter 277.0
Tavon Young 277.7
Quayvon Hicks 278.0
Jimmy Bean 278.0
**** Vainuku 279.0
Corey Marshall 279.5
Mike Matthews 280.0
Brian Poole 281.5
Nila Kasitati 281.5
Curt Maggitt 281.7
Jake Coker 282.0
Trevor Davis 282.8
Trevone Boykin 283.3
Devon Johnson 285.8
Dom Williams 286.5
Delvon Simmons 286.5
Steven Scheu 287.0
Silverberry Mouhon 289.0
RJ Williamson 290.0
Mekale McKay 290.0
B.J. Goodson 290.2
Jordan Swindle 295.5
Jordan Simone 296.3
Derrick Kindred 297.5
Kyle Friend 297.7
Damontae Kazee 299.0
Dominick Jackson 299.3
Dominique Robertson 302.0
Vi Teofilo 304.8
A.J. Zuttah 306.0
Greg Townsend Jr. 306.5
Taylor Fallin 306.5
Cole Fisher 306.5
Mitch Mathews 307.0
Michael Caputo 307.0
Josh Dawson 308.5
Ted Karras 310.3
Patrick Skov 311.0
Greg Milhouse Jr. 311.0
Brandon Williams 312.8
Connor Wujciak 314.3
Tevin Carter 314.5
Montese Overton 315.0
Clay DeBord 317.0
Chase Farris 317.0
Vad Lee 318.0
Nick VanHoose 318.0
Jamal Golden 321.0
Aaron Morris 321.7
Stephane Nembot 321.7
Ryker Mathews 322.0
Mark Weiser 322.5
Antwione Williams 323.5
Joey Hunt 324.0
Zeek Bigger 324.0
David Onyemata 324.0
Shiro Davis 324.0
Nathan Theus 325.5
Davante Harris 325.5
Adairius Barnes 325.5
Trayion Durham 328.0
LaQuan McGowan 329.0
Tra Carson 329.0
Will Monday 330.3
Sioasi Aiono 331.0
Brandon Wilds 331.3
Brad Craddock 333.5
Nick O'Toole 335.5
Alonzo Russell 335.7
D'haquille Williams 336.5
Marshaun Coprich 337.0
James Burgess 337.0
Jake Rudock 340.3
Jay Lee 340.8
Kivon Cartwright 341.5
Lawrence Thomas 342.0
Arjen Colquhoun 342.0
Kenya Dennis 342.5
Mike Thomas 344.3
Anthony Brown 344.8
Matt Johnson 345.0
Gionni Paul 345.8
Travis Greene 347.5
Brandon Chubb 348.0
Corey Smith 348.0
Jake Brendel 349.3
Dakota Gordon 355.0
David Perkins 355.0
Kenneth Farrow 356.0
Dillon Lee 357.0
Riley Dixon 357.7
Ian Wells 359.0
Jordan Canzeri 359.0
Trevon Stewart 361.0
Jamie Byrd 363.5

^That's pretty cool man thanks for posting that. Though seeing Goff listed at #7 really pisses me off

I need to stop getting so invested in these prospects cuz it really looked for a while like we had a legit shot at Goff and with that one fuking trade the Rams fuked us.

Just goes to show that rooting for your team to lose when they suck is not a bad thing. If the Rams won that week 17 game they're not pulling off that trade and we're a lot closer to getting our guy at #5.

Really the two missed FGs by Bears & Rams killed us. We would've been sitting pretty at #3 and could've easily jumped Cleveland if we wanted to to get hte guy we wanted most or sit pat and possibly get our own draft haul by moving down.

Bro, you know it's all love but lesbihonest… who was the last prospect that you "loved" who the 49ers drafted that ended up being worth a chit over the longterm? Ellington sucks. Kaepernick had an 18 month run before falling off the planet.

Goff is not built to endure NFL hits. His slight frame is going to get him killed since the two teams looking to draft him absolutely suck at protecting the QB.


in b4 the 49ers trade back in the 1st round and draft Paxton Lynch.

We on dat Kevin Hogan time. He's built to take hits and throw picks. Hngggh can't wait.

Just the fact that Goff grew up in our backyard, a niner fan, and even wore #16 bcus of Joe makes him a great story.
That goes to say he also has the makeup of a QB. Sure he can fill out a bit with his frame, but he's already shown his toughness playing behind a chitty Bears Oline. Will he boom or bust? We'll find out, but i'd bank on him being successful in the league

I've actually never had a guy I've wanted this much for the team at the time. I loved Ellington but he was never a can't miss/sure thing prospect. Same thing with Kap. Both of those guys were development players who I thought could do great things if they took to good coaching properly and got their chances. Kap looked good early on but let that success get to his head and never worked as hard on the mental part of his game as he did on the physical part of it.

Plus Goff was the anti Kap. I also don't see how he's not build to endure NFL hits. Who really is? He's the same size as Brady was when he got into the game. Quick release, good pocket presence goes a long way to avoiding big hits. Look at Ben Roethlisberger. The guy is a truck but he's getting beat up because he's hanging in there thinking he can take all this punishment.

I'm on the Luke Falk/Josh Rosen hype train now. We'll see where that takes me

I don't want Lynch in the first though if the trade wouldn't take much I'd be ok with it. He's another Kaepernick in a sense but that's not necessarily a bad thing. He can run but doesn't rely on it as much as Kap does and he's much further along as a passer than Kap was at this time in their careers. If he checks out mentally and puts in the work I think Chip Kelly can do some nice things with his career.

What sucks is now I have to root against the guy if the Rams draft him.

Eagles moving to #2 pretty much guarantees someone taking Paxton Lynch in the top 10.


The 49ers are going to be able to take a Top 5 player in this draft at #7. Thank you Rams/Eagles for your desperation.

I'm still worried about this happening….


1. Goff
2. Wentz
3. Tunsil
4. Ramsey
5. Jack
6. Buckner
7. 49ers

Joey Bosa and Ronnie Stanley both scare me. Hopefully someone drafts Bosa or Stanley ahead of us. Buckner would be a great get.

Although with Goff gone now I'd rather we trade down.

If we can find a way to come out of the first two rounds with a combo of something like Jack Conklin/Taylor Decker, Vernon Butler/Chris Jones and Joshua Garnett/Cody Whitehair it would be awesome.

Now that the 2 good QBs are gone, trade down and take more shots at guys that can fill the holes. We're not going to become competitive in a single draft. This is a process and hopefully they don't try to hit home runs on questionable guys or guys with injuries. I'd rather they draft for potential/ceiling on good character players. If we can start to build a competent O line and finish 8-8 this year, I'll consider it going in the right direction.

hnnnnngggggg

Niners got the 2nd most capspace currently… Chances they go after Norman Smiley now that he's a FA? And would you guys want him on the team for the price he's asking? Something along the lines of over 16m a yr

This. I'd rather we trade back into the 13-18 range and pick up an extra 2nd/3rd round pick than stay at #7 and reach.




Hell no I wouldn't want him at $16mil/season. He's not that good. I wouldn't mind the team taking a shot at him but with more competitive numbers.

We definitely need to take a stab at signing Norman. I'm very curious what happened there. You can make a case that he was Carolinas best player last year and would certainly give us a #1 corner we need.

Would be great to address the position win a proven player but I agree this shouldn't be a blank check situation. The kid is from the Bay Area iirc so maybe he can be had for a slight cheaper rate.

If Buckner isn't there at 7 I'd be down with Bosa. Crazy production in college. He may not be a prototypical OLB in a 34 but dude has a nonstop motor.

Don't think we go after Norman. Would go against everything we seem to be doing which is building through the draft.

Bosa scares me in a 3-4. Some people compare him to JJ Watt but I'm not sure he can transition well to DE or OLB in a 3-4 scheme. Plus the off the field stuff is out there. Boom or bust guy and his better comparison may be a Ryan Kerrigan vs Watt.

Buckner is much safer choice IMO. I'd rather gamble on Noah Spence later on.

DeForest Buckner
Noah Spence
Dak Prescott

In the first 3 rounds.

I don't care how much they pay him, I just don't want it to be one of those situations where a guy gets paid and his level of play drops. I think with that they can concentrate most of the efforts on getting a solid OL and pass rush, maybe a WR in the mid rounds.

Apparently we are in the lead to sign Norman. I would be down with this, I know Paraag and Trent would sign him to some deal where he won't end up making a bunch unless he gets a bunch of performance incentives. Prolly a Kap like deal where if he starts to play bad we can cut him. Not like he's gonna come here and just make the most on the team, don't think that would sit well with guys like Staley or Bowman who he would now be getting paid more than. If we don't get him I'm fine with that too but it would be a solid pickup for the right price if they can get that done.


I'm down for Buckner at 7, not sure about Bosa.

you guys are chill with kap making 12 mil a year to ride bench and spread cancer in the locker room but act like 16 is too much for one of the top cb's in the league? Norman would be a huge pickup

Norman is

1) a product of the system
2) a FA because he was becoming a cancer in the locker room
3) a CB and NOT a QB

Not sure Norman is a product of a system, he was awesome last year and if we could be guaranteed that he'd play the same way then $16 a year is worth it whether he' s a QB or not. If Brock Osweiler can make $18 a year playing QB then Josh Norman can get $16 mil playing corner.

Of course because there are no guarantees in life I'm sure his contract will be more in the $14-15 mil per year range. If we sign him we have to be smart and can't just give him a deal which pays him but doesn't push him to improve.