it's up to the owner to secure the dog before going to the door. if the cops show up put the dog in the crate/cage or another room w/ the door shut it isn't hard. regardless of how you feel about the cop shooting the dog i'm mostly frustrated by the owner's irresponsibility.

person says, "I've gotta put my dog up.". Cops call BS, kick in door and shoot everyone.

No it won't. They weren't executing a warrant. They were there for a follow up conversation. You're seriously arguing that just because a cop steps onto your property he has the right to kill your dog?

The canine wasn't even acting in a threatening manner. Barking isn't threatening. The tail was wagging and he didn't lunge or rush at the officer. They didn't once call for the woman to come secure the dog. They didn't back away from the entryway. They weren't engaging in any safe tactics themselves and instantly escalated the situation. They aren't here to make an arrest, raid or search the house, or anything like that, so why did he need to further push the door open and why are they both so quick to violent reactions? There isn't any evidence that they're exploring criminal activity, yet they're acting like it's a SWAT raid for a wanted suspect.

the fact the officer pushed the door further open when she went off to find her friend, that narrative would gain traction.

Big Bossman knew what to do with those little turd machines.

Pathetic on the cops part, 100% cops fault, I'm sure the girl didn't think her dog would get shot for barking at two random people at the door, who pushed it open.

Bold #1 = irrelevant. As long as they can justify their presence there and followed SOP, will be considered a good shoot.
Bold #2 = yet again, like we watched two different vids.

I wonder if I could shoot a police dog that got loose and came after me. something tells me no.

most postal workers dont carry guns retard...

I'm sure you're aware that we agree on most things most of the time, but we're on different sides here. That they can justify (who determines this, btw? Them.) their presence and followed SOP and then get to consider it a good shoot is the problem.You 110%shouldbe able to. If you can justify your presence and follow the SOP associated with a good defensive shoot. But unfortunately, equality isn't as equal as it should be.

Regarding the penalties.

Killing a police dog is like killing a human citizen.

Killing a policeman is like killling the president.

But ofc if a policeman kills a police dog he doesn't have to face the laws a regular citizen does.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/07...third-dog.html

(killing a K9 "officer" gets you sent to prison, sadist cop kills three and gets hit with a animal cruelty charge)

How is that irrelevant? If the cop is simply walking up to talk to her and have a follow-up conversation, as they stated, what reason do they have to be so on edge and expect escalation in the situation? That seems to imply that the cops have an inherent distrust of the civilians who they are supposed to be serving and protecting, not fearing and overreacting to. The situation is absolutely important regarding the SOP, since the SOP changes per situation. This was a non-violent encounter, they were not seeking to arrest, they were not executing a warrant, so the SOP to draw and fire at that point would seem to require a significant degree of escalation.

Second, please explain how you found the canine's behavior threatening. Also explain why the cops chose to draw weapons when introduced to the canine presence rather than safely remove themselves from the doorway and implore the owner to recognize the dog's presence. They skipped over options that were available to them to go immediately to fatal escalation.

so much for equal protection under the law huh.

That's a fair point and there's no denying a double standard of sorts exists there. You'll have some serious 'splainin to do do if you shoot a police K9. Are we talking coming "after you" in the line of duty because the handler sent him to do it, or random k9 gets lose and just attacks you? As always the fact patterns dictate the conclusions.

Damn jimmies are rustled... Hope that cop gets shot by some thug in the future

Thats called ancidotal evidence. It has no bearing on reality unless its a trend. The trend here lately is cops shooting and killing erryone. Cops cant shoot and kill you/your dog if you dont answer the door. There is no reason to answer the door to cops.

how were they acting like it was a swat raid? they were on a public step which is lawful for anyone to be there, she has a responsibility to secure her dog not the cops... Strong stupid argument. Yes it sucks but that blame is on the dog owner not the cops. Wagging tail? there was a video a few months ago of 2 dogs ripping apart an old man and they were happily wagging their tails moron

I wouldn't care. It would be me or him, I'd snap at that point. Obviously I'd wait until his gun was away before I made a move.

And my dog has fear based aggression. I've worked with behaviorists for a couple years and it helped quite a bit, but he still gets afraid when people he doesn't know come to the door. So maybe you should consider the situation before passing judgement you fukking loser. Deconditioning a fear based dog is the hardest thing to do in canine behavior modification. Peasant.

Honestly the word "privilege" gets thrown around alot, often without any basis or validity but cops are the one "group" where a sense of privilege absolutely does exist and is constantly taken advantage of.

If it was going to attack them it would have done so immediately.

Son, nothing I say will alter your view and you're obviously poorly informed on the topic and working from emotions vs objective knowledge of this topic.

Good luck.

I like how the video ends with the cop entering her residence after she tells them to leave. They never once say they have a warrant or anything.

Read my second post. They were on edge the entire time. Poking the door open. 1st cop drawing baton as soon as he hears barking. 2nd cop drawing gun. They did nothing to try and de-escalate the situation and remove their presence from the entryway. They did nothing to try and call the owner to the dog's presence. They did nothing to try and put themselves at a safe distance from the dog and did nothing to help the dog feel calm.

There were options available to them, none of which were employed. Being that they simply stated they just wanted to speak to the roommate as a follow up, I can't understand why the on-edge tendencies and willingness to escalate the situation as they did.

Furthermore, the dog clearly stood in the doorway wagging his tail and barking at them for a couple of seconds. Had he really been an aggressive threat he would not have waited to attack, and his behavior would have been significantly more indicative of defensiveness and aggression. The hackles weren't raised, and the dog was not presenting an immediate threat to the officers.
So when I ask for you to educate me, as I clearly did, I'm giving you the opportunity to help alter my perspective and help show me something that I might not be seeing. Rather than taking said opportunity to further educate someone, you're just going to back away from the discussion? I'm confused and asking legitimate questions about the situation, I understand cops to be friendly caretakers of the law who have my best intentions at heart, but when I see this video and see these cops acting this way in a situation where they simply wanted to have a follow up conversation, it's hard for me to maintain that understanding. So I'm questioning, looking for clarification and understanding, and you, as someone who seems to be able to provide a certain metric of clarification, would rather let me flounder in the dark that offer up a sliver of light. Thanks bro.

The objective position I'm taking is that cops should not instantly be granted unlimited privilege of power simply by walking onto someone's property. I understand that their lives are important and their jobs are dangerous, but in my mind it goes back to the idea of the inherent distrust causing them to grossly overreact. These cops treated the situation like it was a life and death moment when in reality it was someone's family pet. There's a discrepancy there, and you cannot simply throw a blanket of blame over the owner when the cops clearly open the door further (escalation) and then react with further escalation by bristling at the appearance of the dog. Given the situation, why could they not have simply backed off the doorstep and said, "Ma'am, could you secure your dog please"? They had time and space to do so, but didn't. They stood in the doorway and instantly drew weapons. That to me is indicative of their mindset to escalate rather than de-escalate. Help me understand.

You can train a dog to still be protective, but so that it isn't barking & growling anytime somebody comes to the door. That is the problem with a lot of dog owner nowadays-they get bored of training after a week or two when it takes months, cannot be bothered cleaning up after it so they let it crap on the pavements or outside peoples houses & just walk away, don't train them so they go out all day & the then neighbours have to put up with non-stop barking & whining etc.

lmao no you wouldnt

A trend? It is a fraction of cops-we don't hear about the 95% of cops who don't have shoot anybody day in & day out. We hear about the 5% of cases where they do-whether justified or not.

Yeah ok bro. I'm not out to convince some Internet fuktard that I would or wouldn't do something. Go eat a bag of dinks u twink.

Oh nm now I get it, you're either a LEO yourself or some kind of zealous cop supporter that no matter what they do, they aren't wrong. Either way you're a dbag.

lmao its quite clear you know nothing of police work, so now when confronted with something they should remove themselves from the situation? strong blame shifting. Cops were there legally and it is the dog owners responsibility to secure the dog, not the ither way around. No the cops were not on edge anymore than they always are. Cop had every right to push the door open to observe what was going on.

THis, like i mentioned before why would you expect a dog to submit on his own territory? anyone with basic knowledge of animals would know better. And is it not taught to cops that drawing your gun and firing is supposed to be a last resort option?

There were many small steps they could have taken to de-escalate the situation, but they decided to take a different direction

sure you would

thats the owners responsibility not the cops...