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post 1492642211 04-26-2017, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted By Podunks⏩
I'm a pragmatic at heart, and some of the philosophies of stoicism seem to align with my world view and principles, but not all of them. On mobile, but will have to look into this more later.
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I love this quote BTW man. Definitely something philosophy minded attempt to free themselves from.
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4 beers in, watched this video, and I feel like I'm a master already at this philosophy already. repped.
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Originally Posted By Podunks⏩
Thanks brother. It's definitely something that you have to constantly work at, considering our entire society/the media, shoves them down our throats constantly.
I battle myself internally. Wanting to satisfy others and project a certain image. I probably indulge in a bit of materialism as a result. Having negative emotions about life, going through waves of happiness, sadness, adversity, success, failures.

I am a person who has to be around nature and thrives on that to recharge despite living in a city full of material things I can get. That's not me. I practice empathy, continue acquiring knowledge (one thing you can continue to acquire and also give others), and try to also make my body and spirit sound.

But we are all hypocrites in some way trying to find our wayI just try to stay positive and help others along the way while enjoying life.
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post 1492643621 04-26-2017, 11:41 PM
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post 1492643841 04-26-2017, 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted By Podunks⏩
Thanks brother. It's definitely something that you have to constantly work at, considering our entire society/the media, shoves them down our throats constantly.
Your sig reminds me a lot of Fight Club. There's a lot of quotes in the book and movie of how death is inevitable we should just accept it and we need to get rid of consumerism/materialsim.
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post 1492644601 04-26-2017, 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted By Podunks⏩
Interesting observation. I can see the connection. I'll have to check this thread again in the am, on the pc, so I can give proper thoughts/responses.
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post 1492645461 04-27-2017, 12:11 AM
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that vid brought a few feels especially marcus aurelius who set himself the expectations of encountering everything and all types of people. especially the backstabbing thing. that and the house thing. we shouldn't hold to possessions for our happiness but that is obvious. for instance, i have a nice new car but that shouldn't dictate whether i'm happy or not. it's hard when it comes to holding onto people though because in a way I feel like the same should be said about people and relationships

the truth is I haven't had the same group of friends every few years. I feel like friends are fleeting. people are fleeting. you encounter new people and everyone can set you up for disappointment at some point, so be prepared for the let down but don't let it keep you down is the message
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Read some Marcus Aurelius quotes here and there and have a surface understanding of it, def gon read some books on it soon
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honestly...if I can't fap, I don't know if I can participate, sorry brah
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Originally Posted By SirFapsAIot⏩
honestly...if I can't fap, I don't know if I can participate, sorry brah
You can still Fap. You just need to be detached.
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post 1492650091 04-27-2017, 01:52 AM
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Subbed. Interesting as fuk.
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post 1492662211 04-27-2017, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted By KILLdante⏩
Subbed. Interesting as fuk.
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post 1492664001 04-27-2017, 06:57 AM
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Since he'll come up a lot in this thread: Ryan Holiday is the author of "The Obstacle is the Way" and "Ego is the Enemy" which both pull from stoic philosophy for their ideas. He reads a LOT (100+ books a year) and sends out a monthly email of recommended reads, etc.

He said "Meditations" by Marcus Aurelius is the finest book of Stoic Philosophy, and probably the best book ever written.

He also turned me on to De Brevitate Vitae (On The Shortness of Life) by Seneca. I've got it sitting on my shelf to read soon: here's the recommended translation.

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Originally Posted By PepperedAngus⏩
Meditations is one of the greatest things you can read if you are not happy with your life and are looking for a different way of viewing things.

“The happiness of your life depends upon the quality of your thoughts.”
― Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
this, in my language the book is called ''samom sebi'' which means ''to myself'' and I've read it both in english and bosnian. Great source, Aurelius is a very interesting character, although he did fuk up as a leader when it came to who's going to take over his legacy
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Originally Posted By MrBourbon⏩
IN.

Since he'll come up a lot in this thread: Ryan Holiday is the author of "The Obstacle is the Way" and "Ego is the Enemy" which both pull from stoic philosophy for their ideas. He reads a LOT (100+ books a year) and sends out a monthly email of recommended reads, etc.

He said "Meditations" by Marcus Aurelius is the finest book of Stoic Philosophy, and probably the best book ever written.

He also turned me on to De Brevitate Vitae (On The Shortness of Life) by Seneca. I've got it sitting on my shelf to read soon: here's the recommended translation.

http://ep.yimg.com/ay/artbook/lucius...of-life-28.gif
great contribution to thread brah! agree Ryan Holiday puts out some really good stuff, he also did the daily stoic book and website linked in the op, Obstacle Is The Way is also a great book, highly recommend, haven't read ego is the enemy yet, is on my list
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Originally Posted By proudmanlet⏩
great contribution to thread brah! agree Ryan Holiday puts out some really good stuff, he also did the daily stoic book and website linked in the op, Obstacle Is The Way is also a great book, highly recommend, haven't read ego is the enemy yet, is on my list
My side hustle is content writing for websites. I tried to get an interview feature with him when Ego is the Enemy came out but wasn't able to make it work - would have loved to pick his brain. I did get to interview Robert Green (48 Laws of Power) and that dude was awesome.

I haven't read Ego is the Enemy yet either, it's on the list.
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Epictetus is probably my favorite out of the 3. Discourses and the hand book m8s. did you ever read these OP? also check out Seneca's dialogues and letters. On the shortness of life is an eye opener.
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I'm down with stoicism where it is compatible with Christianity.

As the Lord's Prayer states, "thy will be done." Acceptance of the will of God is pretty stoic, as is viewing Scripture as inerrant in its original language.
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philosophy minor, definitely enjoyed the bit of time spent on Stoicism...in particular, discussing the concept of happiness and how it can more easily be achieved by adjusting the expectations that arise due to one's ego

keep it simple, and it's easier to be happy

martial arts also, seems to play well with the matter of stoicism (BJJ crew checking in)
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Originally Posted By cjmadscientist⏩
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philosophy minor, definitely enjoyed the bit of time spent on Stoicism...in particular, discussing the concept of happiness and how it can more easily be achieved by adjusting the expectations that arise due to one's ego

keep it simple, and it's easier to be happy

martial arts also, seems to play well with the matter of stoicism (BJJ crew checking in)
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Originally Posted By philpeter123⏩
Epictetus is probably my favorite out of the 3. Discourses and the hand book m8s. did you ever read these OP? also check out Seneca's dialogues and letters. On the shortness of life is an eye opener.
yep I have physical copies of all those and Marcus meditations now and audiobook copies that I have listened to multiple times, all r totally worth reading, for most ppl tho it's probably helpful to start with a modern book that explains it better so u understand it more first but I think it also works to start with the Epictetus Handbook/Enchiridion first since it kinda summarizes the main ideas
Originally Posted By Hesher⏩
I'm down with stoicism where it is compatible with Christianity.

As the Lord's Prayer states, "thy will be done." Acceptance of the will of God is pretty stoic, as is viewing Scripture as inerrant in its original language.
agree with this since I am also Christian, I find most of it is compatible and like when they talk about Zeus u can think of it as God etc

the serenity prayer I already used a lot before I got into it and it really sums up main points of stoicism too

I think a very cool thing about stoicism is both religious and non-religious people can apply it, so it can work for everyone, like even if u r atheist u can use the serenity prayer but just leave out the part where u r talking to God
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Originally Posted By cjmadscientist⏩
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philosophy minor, definitely enjoyed the bit of time spent on Stoicism...in particular, discussing the concept of happiness and how it can more easily be achieved by adjusting the expectations that arise due to one's ego

keep it simple, and it's easier to be happy

martial arts also, seems to play well with the matter of stoicism (BJJ crew checking in)
I tend to agree on the martial arts aspect- I first got into reading on stoicism through the martial arts as well, in fact alot of the philosophy Ive read stemmed from trying to apply those concepts to being a better martial artist. I think its because it relates so much to how your thinking determines your actions, which is very necessary in martial disciplines to not have too much interference between negative thoughts preventing you from achieving your goals or blocking you from physically performing to your best ability.

The mind is really the key to discipline, and discipline is integral to all martial or physical pursuits. You have to temper your expectations and the reality of what just is, you only have control over certain things to the degree that you, yourself choose your responses.

As the old saying goes "Life is 10% what happens to me, and 90% how I deal with it"
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Meditations on nightstand crew. You don't even really need open the book to become aware of it's immensity. Just the fact that a Roman Emperor wrote these tidbits, almost as personal confessions and admonissions, is enough to free your thoughts.
I have Meditations by my recliner and every morning I read a couple of passages from it...Id like to get The Daily Stoic sometime and read a page of that everyday
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Originally Posted By PepperedAngus⏩
I tend to agree on the martial arts aspect- I first got into reading on stoicism through the martial arts as well, in fact alot of the philosophy Ive read stemmed from trying to apply those concepts to being a better martial artist. I think its because it relates so much to how your thinking determines your actions, which is very necessary in martial disciplines to not have too much interference between negative thoughts preventing you from achieving your goals or blocking you from physically performing to your best ability.

The mind is really the key to discipline, and discipline is integral to all martial or physical pursuits. You have to temper your expectations and the reality of what just is, you only have control over certain things to the degree that you, yourself choose your responses.

As the old saying goes "Life is 10% what happens to me, and 90% how I deal with it"
Yep the tenants of martial arts certainly go in line with the stoic philosophy for sure. Maybe that's why it's so digestible for me.
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More of a pragmatist (see sig) but Stocism is also a big part of my life and a great dogma to follow, especially in such a heavily dominated materialistic world.

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Originally Posted By MrBourbon⏩
My side hustle is content writing for websites. I tried to get an interview feature with him when Ego is the Enemy came out but wasn't able to make it work - would have loved to pick his brain. I did get to interview Robert Green (48 Laws of Power) and that dude was awesome.

I haven't read Ego is the Enemy yet either, it's on the list.
Why does Robert Greene write that the world is such an evil place though? I loved his book Mastery. 48 Laws of Power is half of it is "friendly' and the other half seems to be that "leaders tend to manipulate." Art of Seduction is pure manipulation. It makes me think that he's a manipulative person.
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Originally Posted By iloveus⏩
Why does Robert Greene write that the world is such an evil place though? I loved his book Mastery. 48 Laws of Power is half of it is "friendly' and the other half seems to be that "leaders tend to manipulate." Art of Seduction is pure manipulation. It makes me think that he's a manipulative person.
From an interview with him:

Everybody, to some extent, manipulates. Even children learn to cry when they want something. There are all kinds of subtle things we do to get others to follow our lead, not bother us, and so on. You can call it what you want, I call it manipulation. That's totally natural, and there's no need to feel embarrassed. But then, there are people who do huge, awful things by manipulating and deceiving.

Of course I think people like Bernie Madoff are terrible. My writing doesn't encourage that, but I am taking a look at it since it's going on. These are things your boss might do, Bill Gates might do and you need to know. You don't want to be naive, and nobody teaches you about these games that people around you are playing. You enter the workforce and weren't expecting people to be manipulative, the power plays. Learning to look at it from a distance keeps you from getting emotional about it.

Some people will do this stuff for evil, but they're going to be sneaky and aggressive either way. I've found over the years most of my readers are pretty naive, and have found the books useful to learn what others around them are doing.
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Anyone here care to tell me how this is different from Kant's transcendentalism? There are A LOT of similiarities between that and stoicism.
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