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post 1511111131 07-08-2017, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted By NotANun21⏩
I find it's best to just eat fcking food when you're hungry and it'll all work itself out in the end

I got to 220lbs, no drugs and never tracked a single macro or measured a single scoop of protein out, no calculations... nothing, just put food in my face and lifted some heavy ass weights every day
this, lol. you can get just as big or ripped doing whatever the fuk you wanna do.
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Originally Posted By sumusikoo⏩
its been SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN that more protein does equal better gain.
Gotta love pseudo intellects.

That doesn't even make sense you retarded phuck. Eating 2g per pound vs 0.8g per pound has been SCIENTIFUICALLY PROVUNN to make no difference.
post 1511111201 07-08-2017, 11:17 AM
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When your natural, Fat is the most important macro-nutrient.
When your enhanced, Protein is the most important macro-nutrient.

Protein is overrated when talking about naturals, but enhanced bodybuilders, it is the pinnacle of the sport.
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Originally Posted By J90⏩
Repping the first person to quote this guys avi
Lmao someone already did a few seconds before you posted.
post 1511111341 07-08-2017, 11:19 AM
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Definitely.

A nephrologist told me that your body essentially filters out any excess protein, which is a lot when one consumes a "bodybuilders" diet worth of protein. You're body only needs so much and just gets rid of it, it's also not very healthy for the kidney.

It's a marketing scam. You do not need to consume insane amounts of protein to gain mass.
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post 1511111381 07-08-2017, 11:19 AM
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Now comes the part where you show us themagnificent physiqueyou're build by adopting the opposite rule to conventional wisdom.
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Originally Posted By sumusikoo⏩
These are the kind of threads that prove exactly how fukin retarded a large majority of the people on the misc are.

its been SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN that more protein does equal better gain.

"but but... I still see results by eating 1g of protein a day..."

Oh wow what? No sht genius. No one ever said that you can't build muscle on a low protein diet, it's just not optimal.


The difference in muscle you'd build by consuming 0.5g/lb vs 1g/lb is minimal, THERE IS a difference but it's very small and you wouldn't notice it, only way to track it would be over a very very extended period of time. (Which is what the scientific studies are there for)


You're literally saying the same as "Why even lift more than once a week when you can build muscle by going to the gym once a week" yea no sht you can, it's just not optimal.


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post 1511111671 07-08-2017, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted By KRANE⏩
Now comes the part where you show us themagnificent physiqueyou're build by adopting the opposite rule to conventional wisdom.
Pretty sure you were denying conventional wisdom in the calories in vs calories out thread.

Could be wrong, but I thought you said refined carbs will make you gain fat even in a caloric deficit.
post 1511111731 07-08-2017, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted By KRANE⏩
Now comes the part where you show us themagnificent physiqueyou're build by adopting the opposite rule to conventional wisdom.
Well, we already have skinny kids ensuring us of optimal high protein benefits so...
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
And my cardiologist told me I can't absorb more than 30g of protein in a meal.
Not all docs obviously know what they are talking about, and obviously they are not experts on nutrition. But pretty sure a nephrologist who knows a significant amount about the kidney knows what he is talking about.

But in my experience, upping my protein has done nothing for my physique and I still make gains.
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post 1511111811 07-08-2017, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted By KRANE⏩
Now comes the part where you show us themagnificent physiqueyou're build by adopting the opposite rule to conventional wisdom.
LOL yeah that's very loose usage of the word "wisdom".
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when all thew protein shake companies use people on juice to sell it, it pretty much shows you that its horse****.
post 1511112301 07-08-2017, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
And my cardiologist told me I can't absorb more than 30g of protein in a meal.
Yes, but if you eat meat it doesn't digest in one hour, but takes hours, so you're getting slow release protein over the course of many hours.
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<<< Dietitian Here who personally experimented on himself and analyzed patterns of 100's of client/patients

If you're not using enhancements, then excess protein won't make any difference (Genetics play a part too)

There's no magical number and the 1g/lb is just a generalisation, if you want proven scientific numbers, the average non-lifting population can get by with 0.8g/KG and not LB and double that for a lifter, so even anything around the 1g/lb is more than enough.

Of course, what everyone fail to realize is, there's no set training or diet that is universal for everyone

Take two individuals with similar starting weight-height-body fat %
put them on the same training regimen (same sets and reps and weight)
with the exact same diet Calories and macros

After one year, there's no chance they will look the same, genetic variation is huge and affect all these parameters.

Best advice: Do what work for you and don't fall into anyone selling you a good workout regimen or diet.
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I have always stuck with 0.8g-1g per lb BW whether cutting or bulking. My body loves CARBS, so most of my calories comes from that.
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Originally Posted By Carbon7197⏩
Definitely.

A nephrologist told me that your body essentially filters out any excess protein, which is a lot when one consumes a "bodybuilders" diet worth of protein. You're body only needs so much and just gets rid of it, it's also not very healthy for the kidney.

It's a marketing scam. You do not need to consume insane amounts of protein to gain mass.
how much protein do you recommend?
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post 1511114321 07-08-2017, 12:00 PM
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ITT small guys talk about how little protein they eat
post 1511115201 07-08-2017, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted By elmariachii⏩
<<< Dietitian Here who personally experimented on himself and analyzed patterns of 100's of client/patients

If you're not using enhancements, then excess protein won't make any difference (Genetics play a part too)

There's no magical number and the 1g/lb is just a generalisation, if you want proven scientific numbers, the average non-lifting population can get by with 0.8g/KG and not LB and double that for a lifter, so even anything around the 1g/lb is more than enough.

Of course, what everyone fail to realize is, there's no set training or diet that is universal for everyone

Take two individuals with similar starting weight-height-body fat %
put them on the same training regimen (same sets and reps and weight)
with the exact same diet Calories and macros

After one year, there's no chance they will look the same, genetic variation is huge and affect all these parameters.

Best advice: Do what work for you and don't fall into anyone selling you a good workout regimen or diet.
All true, but you have to start somewhere. Some people may get by with less protein, others may need a bit more.

What upsets me are these self-proclaimed gurus who make broad generalized statements that something is ineffective because it didn't work for them.

In most cases, its because they did something wrong and blame it on the product rather than their lack of knowledge and/or its application.
Originally Posted By ImJJames⏩
I have always stuck with 0.8g-1g per lb BW whether cutting or bulking. My body loves CARBS, so most of my calories comes from that.
Of course your body loves carbs, it a lot simpler molecule. Most things nature typically take the path of least resistance.

Nevertheless, here is where the science of nutrition comes in at because your body doesn't know your intention is tobuild muscle. Something its not inclined to do unless you force it.
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Yes. I made more gains than *******s claiming to get 200 grams only get maximum 80g of protein back in 2012-2014.
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For someome cutting even on a sensible deficit, who isn't naturally lean, extra protein atleast for me, keeps me more full. More full = easier to reach my goal.
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I'm a noob, but I'm going with 0.8/lbs which works out at about 140 grams. I still find it tough to get that much protein in - bearing in mind I don't take supplements and mostly eat wholefoods.
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0.8 g/lb is pretty much all you really need for maximum protein synthesis if you lift heavy according to a lot of studies.

But you guys are forgetting the point of other excess protein. Proteins are more metabolically expensive than fats and carbohydrates. The thermic effect of food for protein is much greater than that for carb or fat. Protein also has a higher satiety factor. What this means is that if you are trying to cut, a high protein diet will help you feel fuller while netting fewer calories, and since keeping your cals in check and not overeating is pretty much the key to any bodybuilding regime, it makes sense that people err on the side of caution and recommend more protein.

However, it is also important to note that high protein diets have been associated with kidney damage and increased mortality. So, IMO you should eat 0.8 g/lb+ and lift heavy in your 20's-30's. When you hit your 40's, you should lift to maintain or make very minor gains and cut your protein intake. Once you get to '50's and '60's, you should really be consuming a normal quantity of protein and not going too heavy at all unless you have very healthy joints. At that age, IMO, most should just focus on maintaining what you have, since if you are natty, your T will be much lower. At this age, knees, elbows, shoulders etc start having serious problems for most people even nonlifters. If you can even touch a weight in your '70's, and are still able to do any form of cardio, you are in good shape. If you make it to your '80's and still lift, you are a phucking god. After that, getting out of bed, not chitting yourself, and walking is a healthy workout.
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No it is not a myth, when I used to lift regularly, I didn't start getting jacked till I started eating a lot of protein

I however think taking amino acids (which is basically better absorbed protein) regularly, even for not exercise/lifting is beneficial to your overall well being and performance in anything throughout the day, hell it works for me
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I tried eating 100-120 grams of protein for some months, no real difference in results to be honest. Now I eat 180-200+ because it's satiating. Even on 3000+ calories (while bulking) I'm so ****ing hungry all day. This ****'s crazy. Eating lots of meat seems to help for sure.
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Originally Posted By Rayzor84⏩
Ok so given you conclusion, what's the ****ing point of getting more protein if it makes next to no noticible difference? Second to that is your avi which demonstrates that you don't belong in this discussion anyway.
It does make a difference in the long term but it's not something you can make a conclusion on since you don't have 2 bodies to compared low protein vs high protein.


Flaming my avi cuz I'm not retarded like you.

You people are the exact same people that believe in god & think the earth is flat ayyy lmao
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I'm vegan and I've went as low as .5g/lb of bodyweight for protein and was still making gains just fine.

Yes, protein is 100% the biggest crock of chit ever. Some of the "recommendations" I've heard for protein intake is ****ing absurd. I've heard some bros say you need 1.5g/lb of bodyweight, WTF ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH ALL THAT PROTEIN? And how in god's name do you fit any carbs into your diet?
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Calorie Intake
Macros
Micros

in that order of importance. I'm not saying you can get away with 0 protein but as long as you are getting some protein you'll be fine. Besides I think it's impossible to get 0 protein in a day unless you're an idiot which is totally possible on the Misc.
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I think so. I've had a **** ton less protein in the past days (unintentionally due to travel) and I haven't noticed anything at all. I've hit about 100g a day instead of the normal 180g bro
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Originally Posted By J90⏩
Gotta love pseudo intellects.

That doesn't even make sense you retarded phuck. Eating 2g per pound vs 0.8g per pound has been SCIENTIFUICALLY PROVUNN to make no difference.
Not sure if serious, where did I mention that you should ever consume more than 1g per pound?

https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/arti...1550-2783-9-42

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Data analysis of 17 studies, 1.05g per pound appears to be optimal. Want me to link some more?

Although it's also generally accepted that most people will do fine with 0.8g per pound, above that it's just genetics tbh, since these studies had larger samples of people obviously you have some people with better genetics thus better protein retake
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carbs are like proteins but cheaper srs carbs = gains
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