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post 1549511571 04-19-2018, 01:03 PM
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Just like how tobacco companies covered up studies between smoking and adverse health effects

Or how oil companies covered studies between burning fossil fuels and damaging the environment/climate change

It's all greed
post 1549511601 04-19-2018, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted By Retoaded⏩
I don't either. I also think there is surely a man-made effect on the climate but some of the world's "top scientists" have been manipulating data obviously to make it worse than it is.
If you don't think it's "as bad as they say", see above your post. We can start there, but I'm sure you understand why ****ing with the genome is bad for you.

Or, we can talk about how carcinogens from cigarette smoke oxidize your DNA and remove **** that isn't supposed to be removed. It's all fun and games until the gene for the repair/regulation enzymes gets ****ed with (shoutout to tumor suppressor p53).
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Originally Posted By RainingBlood⏩
I'll make this easy on u m8. I've taken the courses required to understand some of the negative effects of smoking, and I can tell you 100%, without a doubt, that it's horrible for you. In fact, more and more research is starting to reveal that it's actually worse for you than previously thought.

Have you read about the epigenome?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3713237/
It takes ~30 years to repair the epigenetic damage associated with smoking. The children of smokers might have an increased risk of genetic diseases, like cancer, because it's suspected that parents are passing on damaged genes to them.
Your posts are fuking horrible for people to read, I will smoke away as only second hand smoke kills dumb dumb.
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post 1549511841 04-19-2018, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted By meenman83⏩
Your posts are fuking horrible for people to read, I will smoke away as only second hand smoke kills dumb dumb.
My bad bro. I'm busy doing hoodrat ****.
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Originally Posted By RainingBlood⏩
My bad bro. I'm busy doing hoodrat ****.
no sweat bro, if you find any smokes off a dude you pole smoke lmk I'll buy em'
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post 1549512261 04-19-2018, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted By shoelaces⏩
It's sugar. When there is glucose in your system, then your insulin level spikes. In the presence of insulin your body cannot utilize stored fat as energy. Insulin also converts sugars into fats readily.

Stop eating sugar and you will lose weight without having to do anything else.
this is a relatively small part of the equation, overconsumption is really the elephant in the room and people eating calorie dense fast foods
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post 1549512791 04-19-2018, 01:14 PM
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damn it... going back to eating fat instead of sugar
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I cut out all forms of sugar with the exception of fruit about 12 months ago....When I mean I cut out all forms of sugar, I cut out all forms of sugar. I look at every label and research it for one of the 50 hidden names for sugar. The results of my sugar elimination are ridiculous (srs)...

Brb- Perfectly clear skin
Brb - Mental clarity/memory through the roof
Brb - Sleep like a baby
Brb - Have loads of energy (I also take a D3 supplement, however)
Brb - Almost zero cravings for food
Brb - Cutting - LOL. Who needs to cut
Brb - Dont think I've been to the doctor (outside of a routing physical) for sickness since starting
Brb - Pain from old injuries due to inflammation- gone

I cant imagine a life in which I would go back. In full disclosure there is a three week period in which I cheat around the holidays.

I started this from a 30 day session of Whole30 elimination diet...One of the best decisions for my health I ever made.
post 1549517301 04-19-2018, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted By Scarrdbutsmartr⏩
I cut out all forms of sugar with the exception of fruit about 12 months ago....When I mean I cut out all forms of sugar, I cut out all forms of sugar. I look at every label and research it for one of the 50 hidden names for sugar. The results of my sugar elimination are ridiculous (srs)...

Brb- Perfectly clear skin
Brb - Mental clarity/memory through the roof
Brb - Sleep like a baby
Brb - Have loads of energy (I also take a D3 supplement, however)
Brb - Almost zero cravings for food
Brb - Cutting - LOL. Who needs to cut
Brb - Dont think I've been to the doctor (outside of a routing physical) for sickness since starting
Brb - Pain from old injuries due to inflammation- gone

I cant imagine a life in which I would go back. In full disclosure there is a three week period in which I cheat around the holidays.

I started this from a 30 day session of Whole30 elimination diet...One of the best decisions for my health I ever made.
I remember times in the military or when I'm backpacking and absolutely grueling with sweat and exhaustion. I eat some sugar and I feel like my world is renewed and I can keep going.

Sugar is great for those times and that's what it's for. When we were hunter/gatherers and we'd find a beehive, we would have sugar to keep us going until we could find an animal to kill or some wild things to eat. It has it's place and modern life is 99.9% void of the times when you need that sort of energy boost.

When I did these long distance races (12-24 hours) I'd eat sugary stuff part way through and I'd get an extra 2-3 hours of energy from it. When I'm working all day, even though it's physical labor moving patients around, etc, I feel like crap if I eat something with sugar.
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I did the keto thing for over a year and it's great for cutting. long term though no way.. blood pressure way up (140/90 highest it was, but stayed around there), nail health and hair health went to chit, ridges and white spots completely covered my nails hair dry and dull (these are indicators of overall poor health by lack of nutrients). I could go on about all the negative impacts but tldr. switched to paleo style, don't feel as super saiyan as I did on keto but my overall health has drastically improved. bp at normal ranges all the white spots went away nearly instantly it was crazy looking.


tldr. don't eat nothing but fat, but definitely stop eating refined sugars. my current diet is 50% fat 25 25 protein and carbs all my carbs come from fruit and veggies.



edit; also got triglyceride panel before during and after keto, before my ldls were at 110 during 223 after dropped back to low 100s. don't remember my hdls but they did go up too which is good but the ldl killed that anyways.
so that bs about keto making your cholesterol go down is total bs lol
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post 1549520181 04-19-2018, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted By Ratfish⏩
it's not fat or sugar in your diet that's the problem, it's being fat in general that causes heart problems
sugar does not help though - modern sugar has not been in our diet for very long at all and most people's bodies don't do well with a steady IV stream of sugar into their blood stream

A million miles away - I don't.. feel.... anything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXGZu4yxjW0
post 1549520211 04-19-2018, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted By shoelaces⏩
It's sugar. When there is glucose in your system, then your insulin level spikes. In the presence of insulin your body cannot utilize stored fat as energy. Insulin also converts sugars into fats readily.

Stop eating sugar and you will lose weight without having to do anything else.
Brb eating no sugar
Brb energy surplus because I love bacon
Brb still losing body fat as per the above.

Enough of this bull****. Energy balance is king. Sure sugar is delicious, and it's really easy to eat more carb calories from it than you should as a result, but the presence of insulin in your system does not make you increase nett body fat.
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Originally Posted By doiliftbro⏩
I did the keto thing for over a year and it's great for cutting. long term though no way.. blood pressure way up (140/90 highest it was, but stayed around there), nail health and hair health went to chit, ridges and white spots completely covered my nails hair dry and dull (these are indicators of overall poor health by lack of nutrients). I could go on about all the negative impacts but tldr. switched to paleo style, don't feel as super saiyan as I did on keto but my overall health has drastically improved. bp at normal ranges all the white spots went away nearly instantly it was crazy looking.


tldr. don't eat nothing but fat, but definitely stop eating refined sugars. my current diet is 50% fat 25 25 protein and carbs all my carbs come from fruit and veggies.



edit; also got triglyceride panel before during and after keto, before my ldls were at 110 during 223 after dropped back to low 100s. don't remember my hdls but they did go up too which is good but the ldl killed that anyways.
so that bs about keto making your cholesterol go down is total bs lol
cholesterol counts are meaningless in predicting heart disease - cholesterol has been found to be heart protective.. are you saying your body was missing sugars as a necessary nutrient? you can get everything you need from meats, eggs and vegetables
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Originally Posted By lukepeter⏩
Brb eating no sugar
Brb energy surplus because I love bacon
Brb still losing body fat as per the above.

Enough of this bull****. Energy balance is king. Sure sugar is delicious, and it's really easy to eat more carb calories from it than you should as a result, but the presence ofinsulin in your system does not make you increase nett body fat.
we just ignoring science now?

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news...s-take-glucose
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Originally Posted By lukepeter⏩
but the presence of insulin in your system does not make you increase nett body fat.
Do experiment inject 8iu insulin with every regular meal you eat and see how fast you get fat.
Obviously it is exaggeration but **** does increase your overall mass if caloric intake is above norm and macros are way off
Human body is much more complicated than we would like it to be and insulin is MOST anabolic hormone out there
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Originally Posted By seanb1979⏩
we just ignoring science now?

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news...s-take-glucose
Granted, I am not a biochemist... I do strongly subscribe to the laws of thermodynamics.

All carbs eventually end up as glucose to be bound as glycogen or burned as fuel. Surplus carbs (or fat, or protein) will be stored as fat. If you can point to a respectable study that shows anyone getting fatter on an energy deficit as a result of primarily glucose ingestion I will gladly revise my position, and immediately start work on an over zero generator based on that individuals biochemistry and mechanics...
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Originally Posted By seanb1979⏩
sugar does not help though - modern sugar has not been in our diet for very long at all and most people's bodies don't do well with a steady IV stream of sugar into their blood stream

Muuuuuurica phuck ya!

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Originally Posted By lukepeter⏩
Brb eating no sugar
Brb energy surplus because I love bacon
Brb still losing body fat as per the above.

Enough of this bull****. Energy balance is king. Sure sugar is delicious, and it's really easy to eat more carb calories from it than you should as a result, but the presence of insulin in your system does not make you increase nett body fat.
Originally Posted By lukepeter⏩
Granted, I am not a biochemist... I do strongly subscribe to the laws of thermodynamics.

All carbs eventually end up as glucose to be bound as glycogen or burned as fuel. Surplus carbs (or fat, or protein) will be stored as fat. If you can point to a respectable study that shows anyone getting fatter on an energy deficit as a result of primarily glucose ingestion I will gladly revise my position, and immediately start work on an over zero generator based on that individuals biochemistry and mechanics...
You sound like an idiot who is pretending to be smart. First off the laws of thermodynamics was created to govern the relationship between heat and work in mechanical systems, not biological systems like the human body.

Second, you saying that insulin has zero effect on fat storage is completely wrong. If you don't know what you are talking about just don't even post. Lmao at you saying your broscience is more credible than peer reviewed scientific journals.
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When you just vaguely say sugar instead of sucrose, fructose or glucose, it makes the argument flawed. Fructose is not the issue here.
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You still need some sugar for brain function tho right? Don't cut it out completely.
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Refined sugar is bad, anybody ITT denying that is ****ing stupid.
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The main reason there's an obesity crisis isn't so much 'sugar' as it is the abundance of cheap processed food which is loaded with both sugar and fat. We are genetically inclined to crave that kind of food but since we're no longer prowling the tundra hunting mammoths, it's unhealthy to eat as much as we want to.

This is not a problem which is going to go away any time soon, we are prisoners of our evolutionary heritage.
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sugar as sugar is not bad (if you get it from real sources like veggies and fruits) but fkn soyboys and femininsts eat candies and junk food and drown themselves in sodas, thats whats making you fat as fuk plus lack of exercise

like everything in life its all about balance.
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Originally Posted By sooby⏩
it isn't sugar or fat


it's overconsumption of all of those things.
This.

Sugar isn't inherently bad, consuming 500 grams a day for 35 years is. Also, if you never ate fat your hormones would get so fuked.
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The real truth of it all is that we don't know. There has never been money thrown at exploring diet in the human body unless it was a bull**** diversion, as there is no way for someone to package and sell "the ideal diet" information on a massive scale. And anyone involved in that industry is going to do all they can to put the kabosh on any meaningful research, since it threatens their revenue stream.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
Maybe this belongs in the nutrition section, but I never go there, so I'm posting it here.

Cliffs:

Sugar industry lied and manipulated studies to make it seem as if fat was causing heart problems

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-..._campaign=food
Lmao I could provide you numerous examples of meat and dairy industry funded studies with poor study design meant to confuse people on the effects of cholesterol and animal fat
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Fat industry quietly paying miscers to make threads pointing the blame on sugars.

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Originally Posted By lukepeter⏩
Granted, I am not a biochemist... I do strongly subscribe to the laws of thermodynamics.

All carbs eventually end up as glucose to be bound as glycogen or burned as fuel. Surplus carbs (or fat, or protein) will be stored as fat. If you can point to a respectable study that shows anyone getting fatter on an energy deficit as a result of primarily glucose ingestion I will gladly revise my position, and immediately start work on an over zero generator based on that individuals biochemistry and mechanics...
law of thermodynamics is true but is not taking into account any changes in metabolism and body chemistry... why do bike riders eat ice cream/crap and get ripped?
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