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post 1559734621 08-26-2018, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted By GrammarNaziM8⏩
Can't stand people complaining about music. If you can't enjoy trap songs then good for you but chitting on music you don't even listen to is stupid
He mentions Kendrick and Chance by name, and says we need more of them.

It's not about 'enjoying' it's about the influence the music has on people, and the values promoted.

To you it might just be music, but to people who live in ghettos or low income areas, it reinforces the values and images of their social environment.

There is a correlation between rap and aggressive tendencies...

"The findings suggest that young people’s substance use and aggressive behaviors may be related to their frequent exposure to music containing references to substance use and violence. Conversely, music listening preference may reflect some personal predispositions or lifestyle preferences. "

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5066304/

"It was found that watching the violent music video containing violent lyrics, aggressive behavior, and degrading behaviors toward women did make an individual feel and react more violently with regards to responses to questions about fictitious scenarios. The conclusion was that watching violent music videos does negatively affect behavior."

http://library.wcsu.edu/dspace/handle/0/35
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It's the internet/instant gratification era. The internet allowed so many talentless rappers (not even just rappers, but artist in general) to self-market themselves and build their own audience, and most people are so caught up in instant gratification, they don't even question the quality of it, they just accept every banger that's thrown at them, like jumping from trend to trend, without giving it much thought.
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I wonder if the legalization of a certain something has had effects

Some of the chit out now i can only assume sounds good while on it

A lot of chit seems made for it
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Originally Posted By 300BLK⏩
It's the internet/instant gratification era. The internet allowed so many talentless rappers (not even just rappers, but artist in general) to self-market themselves and build their own audience, and most people are so caught up in instant gratification, they don't even question the quality of it, they just accept every banger that's thrown at them, like jumping from trend to trend, without giving it much thought.
Originally Posted By propreffered7⏩
I wonder if the legalization of a certain something has had effects

Some of the chit out now i can only assume sounds good while on it

A lot of chit seems made for it
Originally Posted By xPureStrengthx⏩
those oldheads are also on that mainstream time. far from quality hip hop.
DMC wasn't talking about quality,he was talking about the promoted values within hip hop.

He gave an example: He said that RUN DMC did drugs and alcohol excessively, but they never spoke about in in their songs, because they saw how much influence they had after everyone went out and brought Adidas, after they promoted it in one of their songs.
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
DMC wasn't talking about quality,he was talking about the promoted values within hip hop.

He gave an example: He said that RUN DMC did drugs and alcohol excessively, but they never spoke about in in their songs, because they saw how much influence they had after everyone went out and brought Adidas, after they promoted in one of their songs.
yea i think i missed what you were talking about

in any case, i do believe that has had an influence
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I remember back in the 90s there used to be what I perceived as "yuppies" in suits trying to get people to censor rap en masse on legal levels because it was harmful to society

Back then I used to think that they didn't get it but now looking back on it doesn't really matter -because it's all about what actually results in real life in reality and not as things "should ideally be in theory"

This goes back to the difference in being results based and living in delusion
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
DMC wasn't talking about quality,he was talking about the promoted values within hip hop.

He gave an example: He said that RUN DMC did drugs and alcohol excessively, but they never spoke about in in their songs, because they saw how much influence they had after everyone went out and brought Adidas, after they promoted in one of their songs.
That's not just hip hop though, that's music in general. For example, at one point, people made songs about falling in love, now they make songs about making love. As artist are given more freedom, they get the freedom to express themselves or create controversial gimmicks to stand out more. Run DMC coming out when Hip Hop was first getting wide exposure, probably didn't have the freedom to risk their woes in life to sell their music. Rock was already at its peak so had the freedom to express degenerate style of music, before Hip Hop ever could. It wasn't until the late 80s and 90s did gangster rap allow Hip Hop to become more raunchy. And thus, now that Hip Hop is at its peak, it's starting to look like Rock at its peak. The degenerate lifestyles, the ****gy clothing, etc. It's like a genre just repeating the same mainstream culture.
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2011 - 2014 asap rocky, clams casino, bones, etc era was fking GREAT

too bad the trap music in 2018 is soooo stale, lacks personality, and generally is not atmospheric or interesting at all. rap music was GOAT in the 90's (mobb deep, nas, tupac, biggie, etc) - then seriously fell off in the 2000's.
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Originally Posted By 300BLK⏩
That's not just hip hop though, that's music in general.
No other genre promotes violence, and being a violent career criminal, like hip hop does.

Please check out the studies I posted in a previous post...

https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1559734621

I don't see any equivalent genre, other than Dancehall.
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Originally Posted By GrammarNaziM8⏩
Oldcels gonna oldcel.

Can't stand people complaining about music. If you can't enjoy trap songs then good for you but chitting on music you don't even listen to is stupid
cant stand people expressing opinions that vary from your own huh? lmao typical young millennial. yet you go into this thread.

also while it may be true the that oldcels usually think that the newcels music is terrible, It doesn't automatically mean that the oldcels are wrong. In this case we are 100% correct.
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rap has never been masculine so the premise is inherently flawed. but it's become increasingly more simplified and sugarcoated to appeal to peter pans like rainingblood
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
DMC wasn't talking about quality,he was talking about the promoted values within hip hop.

He gave an example: He said that RUN DMC did drugs and alcohol excessively, but they never spoke about in in their songs, because they saw how much influence they had after everyone went out and brought Adidas, after they promoted it in one of their songs.
a lot of rap from the 90s and 00s glorified violence, gangs, drugs, misogyny, homophobia etc. In which the majority of that time frame was considered the golden age of hip-hop. Don't get me wrong I am a big fan of that era but rap has been like that for a very long time.
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Originally Posted By sooby⏩
a lot of rap from the 90s and 00s glorified violence, gangs, drugs, misogyny, homophobia etc.
I agree.

I think he is ranting about mid 90s onward.
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
No other genre promotes violence, and being a violent career criminal, like hip hop does.

Please check out the studies I posted in a previous post...

https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1559734621

I don't see any equivalent genre, other than Dancehall.
Well yeah if you're speaking of violence, then yeah, rap started it all. But that came with the territory of gangster rap and its culture. A lot of rappers made popular by black culture actually lived those gangster lifestyles and rapped to get out of the hood or express themselves, thus it became a traditional part of the genre even though it's contradictory to how rappers live now and express themselves. But that also goes with rap becoming cooking cutter commercial garbage in the first place, where people rap about things they don't even live, only because it's what sells.
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Do 6ix9ine and the like even claim to be "hip hop"?
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oh my god, what the fuk is with all this anti gun sh_t... it should be more like anti criminal, anti scumbag.

you guys want to know what happened to rap?

https://chicagodefender.com/2015/08/...t-changed-rap/

cliffs: the united banking cartel decided to use rap to manipulate people into thinking committing crimes was cool so they could fill privately owned prisons






the only difference between 90s era "gun to your mothers head" type rap and current "be a drug using, effeminate pussy" type hip hop is the approach to the same control agenda changed.
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ITT oldcels who hear nothing but 69, Lil Uzi, and Young Thug on the radio talking about "what happened to hip hop" smh. If you listen to the radio, yes, all you hear is trash because thats what the suburban white kids want to hear. Fact is, in 2018 there have been a shytload of amazing albums released.

To Name a few:

Royce Da 5'9"- Book of Ryan
Jay Rock- Redemption
Pusha T- Daytona
Lecrae- Let the Trap say Amen
Nipsey Hustle- Victory Lap
Vince Staples- Big Fish Theory
J Cole- KOD

If you're looking for "newer artists" you have guys like Sylvan Lacrue, John Givez, Lute, Belly, Joyner Lucas, Cozz, etc all putting out quality music.
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Originally Posted By flexnation⏩
ITT oldcels who hear nothing but 69, Lil Uzi, and Young Thug on the radio talking about "what happened to hip hop" smh. If you listen to the radio, yes, all you hear is trash because thats what the suburban white kids want to hear. Fact is, in 2018 there have been a shytload of amazing albums released.

To Name a few:

Royce Da 5'9"- Book of Ryan
Jay Rock- Redemption
Pusha T- Daytona
Lecrae- Let the Trap say Amen
Nipsey Hustle- Victory Lap
Vince Staples- Big Fish Theory
J Cole- KOD

If you're looking for "newer artists" you have guys like Sylvan Lacrue, John Givez, Lute, Belly, Joyner Lucas, Cozz, etc all putting out quality music.
It's not about quality, it's about the promoted values.

Pusha T raps about being a rich violent career criminal.

Royce Da 5 9 raps about being a violent career criminal (literally raps about shooting people).

I am aware that some of the names you presented do conscious rap.

Edit: Just googled, and apparently Nipsey Hustle is a phuckin Crip!

People (like you) seem to be posting based on the thread title alone.
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Originally Posted By sooby⏩
a lot of rap from the 90s and 00s glorified violence, gangs, drugs, misogyny, homophobia etc. In which the majority of that time frame was considered the golden age of hip-hop. Don't get me wrong I am a big fan of that era but rap has been like that for a very long time.
Yeah but there was a sense of exoticness to it that is long gone
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It's kind of the same with rock music. A lot of great artists recent works don't even sound like rock but pop, they use autotuned vocals now and all that chit. If you go to YouTube's music section the rock hotlist is way the fuk down the page below a bunch of more niche and weird genre lists.
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Originally Posted By gluon⏩
cant stand people expressing opinions that vary from your own huh? lmao typical young millennial. yet you go into this thread.

also while it may be true the that oldcels usually think that the newcels music is terrible, It doesn't automatically mean that the oldcels are wrong. In this case we are 100% correct.
Sure buddy. Learn to read first. Complaining=/= opinions.
And you are not 100% correct. If you don't like new rappers GOOD FOR YOU. But there are people who like it and let them enjoy it.
Pretty sure people in 2003 said the same thing you are saying now just lol.
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the fact that some of you guys think the best rapper out now is logic,royce da 5'9 or joyner lucas proves you guys don't really listen to hip hop. stop acting like rap music has gone to chit when there were still tons of chit rappers back in the day. bunch of fuking oldcels itt.

i like soundcloud/mumble rappers like 6ix9ine and lil pump but i also like more lyrical rappers like kendrick, tyler and denzel curry. just find what you like and stfu
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Originally Posted By WorldClassDBag⏩
the fact that some of you guys think the best rapper out now is logic,royce da 5'9 or joyner lucas proves you guys don't really listen to hip hop. stop acting like rap music has gone to chit when there were still tons of chit rappers back in the day. bunch of fuking oldcels itt.

i like soundcloud/mumble rappers like 6ix9ine and lil pump but i also like more lyrical rappers like kendrick, tyler and denzel curry. just find what you like and stfu
Again, DMC int he video wasn't talking about quality, he was talking about the promoted values in hip hop, and their influence.

A far deeper subject than who is the best rapper (no offence).
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
Again, DMC int he video wasn't talking about quality, he was talking about the promoted values in hip hop, and their influence.

A far deeper subject than who is the best rapper (no offence).
didn't watch the vid, just responding to the people itt.
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
Again, DMC int he video wasn't talking about quality, he was talking about the promoted values in hip hop, and their influence.

A far deeper subject than who is the best rapper (no offence).
If the subject of the discussion is the values that hip hop promotes they've stayed the same, brah.
Rappers talked about money, sloots and drugs in the 90's and the same thing is talked about today.
Nothing has changed
Originally Posted By WorldClassDBag⏩
the fact that some of you guys think the best rapper out now is logic,royce da 5'9 or joyner lucas proves you guys don't really listen to hip hop. stop acting like rap music has gone to chit when there were still tons of chit rappers back in the day. bunch of fuking oldcels itt.

i like soundcloud/mumble rappers like 6ix9ine and lil pump but i also like more lyrical rappers like kendrick, tyler and denzel curry. just find what you like and stfu
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Originally Posted By GrammarNaziM8⏩
If the subject of the discussion is the values that hip hop promotes they've stayed the same, brah.
Rappers talked about money, sloots and drugs in the 90's and the same thing is talked about today.
Nothing has changed




But who was 21 savage
i like him but he hasn't released stuff in a while
S/B/D/OHP: 405/265/495/180

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