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Thread: I thought Jordan Peterson was a level headed guy until i saw this (carnivore diet)

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Studies psychology for decades, quit teaching at Harvard because kids were whinny bischs, best selling author, makes 80k a month on patreon, millions of subscribers on YouTube > miscers that don’t agree with his diet.


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Thought it was bullchit too, until I did it for a week. Slept better than I have literally in years, skin looked brighter and more clear, and had more energy. Also lost like 15 lbs in 4 weeks. It wasn’t really sustainable for me, because eating a completely different diet than the rest of my family puts a damper on things, but I took some principles away from it that have helped me a lot. Jordan definitely isn’t the first person to report this kind of stuff either.
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cliffs? Don't have 28 minutes to watch this guy
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Originally Posted By Dirtymanjames⏩
Many misinformed people posting in here.
That doesn't sound like the Misc...
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
lol... no it's not.

Does your mouth water when you see a salad sitting on a table ... or when you see a juicy steak? Why is it when i stick a piece of lettuce in my mouth it produces almost no physiological response... but then i a tiny bit of butter and i go crazy?

Outside of nutrition. Toddlers also naturally squat when they want to chit. Why? Because it unkinks the colon and allows chit to pass much easier. As adults we're habitually trained to use the toilet which causes health problems. Kids also naturally slouch. Why? Because it's actually more ergonomical to flatten out than it is to sit up straight with your entire upper body pressing on your lumbar.
lol, not sure if serious. My mouth salivates when I look at candy, are you saying that said physiological response indicates that candy is healthy? Vegetables are plentiful on the earth, and so are fruits, they have various minerals that allow one to function more optimally.

eat anything natural in moderation.i'll agree that processed chit goes outside of what we were biologically predetermined to eat, but to say that vegetables aren't healthy based on whether or not you salivate for them is just silly
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Originally Posted By metafour⏩
Green vegetables are cleansers, not meant to be something you overeat or survive on. There is a reason why plant matter is highly indigestible and there is a reason why you naturally have no inclination to eat 99.9% of the plant matter you see in nature even though it is plentiful. Nobody would ever eat spinach or kale unless you told them that it was "good for you" which makes no sense from an evolutionary standpoint (how can the supposedly "healthiest foods" be something that the body has no interest in eating?). Do you ever wonder why no infant/toddler/kid likes vegetables, and least of all the leafy green ones? Young children are primal in that they behave instinctively. You have to trick and goat them into eating these foods for a reason.
K bro bout to just live off chocolate and ice cream every meal since my 6 year old cousin loves that stuff
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He makes some good points, some are just way out there though. Now he let fame go to his head and is another self-help guru.

Just because you agree with someone on a few things doesn't mean you endorse that person's entire perspective.
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Originally Posted By harmsxwhey⏩
Thought it was bullchit too, until I did it for a week. Slept better than I have literally in years, skin looked brighter and more clear, and had more energy. Also lost like 15 lbs in 4 weeks. It wasn’t really sustainable for me, because eating a completely different diet than the rest of my family puts a damper on things, but I took some principles away from it that have helped me a lot. Jordan definitely isn’t the first person to report this kind of stuff either.
I mean if you have an auto-immune disorder or something I could see it being beneficial.

His daughter was on Rogan trying to promote it, she's kind of a headcase. She also forgot to mention she still gets drunk while on the carnivore diet.
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Originally Posted By RubberBandMang⏩
lol, not sure if serious. My mouth salivates when I look at candy, are you saying that said physiological response indicates that candy is healthy?Vegetables are plentiful on the earth, and so are fruits, they have various minerals that allow one to function more optimally.

eat anything natural in moderation.i'll agree that processed chit goes outside of what we were biologically predetermined to eat, but to say that vegetables aren't healthy based on whether or not you salivate for them is just silly
It indicates a physiological desire and recognition of what provides calories. Hence why bowl of ice cream and a steak in most people creates a very noticeable response ... meanwhile ... a salad (almost no calories) does not. Stop trying to straw man.
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I did it for a while eating just steak. Before I was an absolute fart factory, after I started all my intestinal.digestive problems went away, and I was ghost wiping every time I took a sh!t.

I have since added a few things to my diet....carrots and red bell peppers to my steak meal. Eggs as well as peanut butter and some milk. Its been great.


Its at least a good detox to do for a while if you have digestive issues. Its helped me noticeably.
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Originally Posted By johnnyboi123⏩
lmao never go full bro science bro

He talks about autoimmune symptoms related to diet, whats the problem? I have noticed on two occasions autoimmune symptoms after a wide variety of foods (two years ago, and for the past month) where I legitimately thought I was dying of some chit. Got all kinds of blood work done without much help, but noticed it was 100% diet related. Not sure whats causing the hyper sensitivity during these times

EDIT: Just saw at 17 min he talked about fat being a buffer for toxins, so if you remove the fat you're more prone to it. both of my episodes were after some weight loss. toxins released from fat might be the culprit in my case
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Originally Posted By BostonRockets⏩
This guy acts like an expert in all fields. I wouldn't even care to listen to any of his advice on topics outside his expertise. Even then, I'm not particularly a fan of his. I find other people to have much better advice that resonates way more.

What's next listening to Jordan Peterson's advice on interior design? Guy is literally developing a cult following.
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Originally Posted By metafour⏩
Green vegetables are cleansers, not meant to be something you overeat or survive on. There is a reason why plant matter is highly indigestible and there is a reason why you naturally have no inclination to eat 99.9% of the plant matter you see in nature even though it is plentiful. Nobody would ever eat spinach or kale unless you told them that it was "good for you" which makes no sense from an evolutionary standpoint (how can the supposedly "healthiest foods" be something that the body has no interest in eating?). Do you ever wonder why no infant/toddler/kid likes vegetables, and least of all the leafy green ones? Young children are primal in that they behave instinctively. You have to trick and goat them into eating these foods for a reason.
That's a load of bullchit right there. If you gave a toddler the choice between a carnivore diet and a diet consisting solely of Smarties, they will choose the Smarties every fukking time. Does this mean Smarties are healthier than meat (and vegetables)?

Also, where do fruits fit into your theory? Kids like them and so do adults, but they're not part of the carnivore diet.
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Originally Posted By goingcia⏩
Soybean is a green veggie...
yeah and so is poison Ivy. You know what he means.

the reason the carnoivore diet is so easy to adhere to is becasue everything on the menu is phuckin' delicious and there's not guess work I did it for about three weeks and lost weight, but it was to damn expensive to stick to religiously, and I started getting constipated, lol.

If you have to supplement with vitamins and minerals into a diet (I had to buy metamucil for example) then the diet is probably not optimal for long term.
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Originally Posted By RubberBandMang⏩
lol, not sure if serious. My mouth salivates when I look at candy, are you saying that said physiological response indicates that candy is healthy? Vegetables are plentiful on the earth, and so are fruits, they have various minerals that allow one to function more optimally.

eat anything natural in moderation.i'll agree that processed chit goes outside of what we were biologically predetermined to eat, but to say that vegetables aren't healthy based on whether or not you salivate for them is just silly
The part about chitting is accurate, although not sure its relevance.

And the reason your mouth salivates more for a steak than a salad is because the steak has more fat, fat=calories, and when we were hunters and gathers calorically dense meals were imperative to survival. A steak is going to provide a lot more calories/fat and ultimately long term energy than a salad. The difference is, they eat that steak out of caloric necessity as then they would likely go days between their next meal of that nature. Our body's are programmed to survive, but now our lifestyles have changed so much that unless you're homeless that does;t really apply
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The exact thing that Peterson and Rogan complain about is getting repeated in here. Go figure. They literally open the entire podcast talking about how everyone takes things he says out of context in order to make a personal point. What do OP and a few others do in here? Exactly that.

Unless I'm thinking of a different podcast, he says about 5-6 times that he's not a nutritional expert and he's out of his realm when trying to figure out why the diet he has works. If you listen to what he says, he talks about his health problems and family health problems with auto-immune disease and how he felt like **** for years eating a "healthy" diet and this seems to be all that works for him.

But please, make more personal assumptions without actually listening to what he says. Goddamn, some of you guys are worse than the mainstream media. (Srs)
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Dude talks on subjects where he's totally out of his depth
Sad because he's so smart
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Originally Posted By US_Ranger⏩
But please, make more personal assumptions without actually listening to what he says. Goddamn, some of you guys are worse than the mainstream media. (Srs)
lmao, they are literally doing what the mainstream media does to Peterson.

Still waiting for a fair and specific criticism of what he said in the podcast.
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Originally Posted By US_Ranger⏩
The exact thing that Peterson and Rogan complain about is getting repeated in here. Go figure. They literally open the entire podcast talking about how everyone takes things he says out of context in order to make a personal point. What do OP and a few others do in here? Exactly that.

Unless I'm thinking of a different podcast, he says about 5-6 times that he's not a nutritional expert and he's out of his realm when trying to figure out why the diet he has works. If you listen to what he says, he talks about his health problems and family health problems with auto-immune disease and how he felt like **** for years eating a "healthy" diet and this seems to be all that works for him.

But please, make more personal assumptions without actually listening to what he says. Goddamn, some of you guys are worse than the mainstream media. (Srs)
well, that is true, but it also may be because the op posted a 30 minute video and noone has time to watch it all so we're simply commenting based on the title of the thread.
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Originally Posted By Clkflynn⏩
Dude talks on subjects where he's totally out of his depth
Sad because he's so smart
Oh, he isn't allowed to talk on a subject,even thoughhe repeatedly says he is not an expert and is not giving other people advice?
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Originally Posted By Maestro⏩
well, that is true, but it also may be because the op posted a 30 minute video and noone has time to watch it all so we're simply commenting based on the title of the thread.
Well watch the fukking video before criticizing him, or don't post. Otherwise you are LITERALLY doing the same thing as mainstream media watching sheep.
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Originally Posted By metafour⏩
Green vegetables are cleansers, not meant to be something you overeat or survive on. There is a reason why plant matter is highly indigestible and there is a reason why you naturally have no inclination to eat 99.9% of the plant matter you see in nature even though it is plentiful. Nobody would ever eat spinach or kale unless you told them that it was "good for you" which makes no sense from an evolutionary standpoint (how can the supposedly "healthiest foods" be something that the body has no interest in eating?). Do you ever wonder why no infant/toddler/kid likes vegetables, and least of all the leafy green ones? Young children are primal in that they behave instinctively. You have to trick and goat them into eating these foods for a reason.
Good to know. I will let my kids eat all the cake, ice cream, and sugar they can handle because that is what they naturally crave.

I will also tell my diabetic patients to "eat what they crave" as their body knows what is best for them.
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Originally Posted By Luc1fer⏩
He seems to be just sharing his experiences in controlling his auto-immune disease (his daughter has the same issues).

What specifically do you have a problem with? I don't think he claims to be a nutritional expert, he says that repeatedly.
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
It indicates a physiological desire and recognition of what provides calories. Hence why bowl of ice cream and a steak in most people creates a very noticeable response ... meanwhile ... a salad (almost no calories) does not. Stop trying to straw man.
ok we aren't arguing about the innate drive for calorically dense foods, we're arguing about nutrition and health effects. Primal desire for things that contain lots of calories doesn't equate to health.
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Originally Posted By p100⏩
Good to know. I will let my kids eat all the cake, ice cream, and sugar they can handle because that is what they naturally crave.

I will also tell my diabetic patients to "eat what they crave" as their body knows what is best for them.
they dont crave that they are addicted to sugar, retard

also diabetic patiejnts cant eat fruit because all fruit it is sugar with zero nutrients
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Originally Posted By RubberBandMang⏩
ok we aren't arguing about the innate drive for calorically dense foods, we're arguing about nutrition and health effects. Primal desire for things that contain lots of calories doesn't equate to health.
you dont have a primal desire for cake and ice cream lmao you just want the sugar retard holy **** some people r stupid
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Originally Posted By faketaxidriver⏩
What if it worked for him? I don't think he suggested that every person on the face of the earth should start eating nothing but meat.
This. Did anyone even watch the video? The very first sentence out of his mouth is that he is not speaking as an expert dietician, just talking what worked for him. Rogan is just asking him about it because Rogan is into training/diet ect.

People go on specific strict diets for all kinds of medical reasons. Sometimes children are put on keto diets for seizures ect.
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I like Jordan Peterson. Well spoken, articulate, passionate in his teachings. I don't get why so many lump him in with people like Alex Jones, Ben Shapiro, and Milo. (Oh wait, yea I do. He doesn't regurgitate extremist leftist viewpoints, so he must be a Nazi! That's the most common threads I see for all of them...they were on Joe Rogan's podcast and they don't regurgitate mainstream opinion. But I think Jones, Shapiro, and Milo go out of their way to antagonize / outrage / shock, whereas Peterson is....well, a professor.)

Now I don't agree with 100% of what he (or anyone, for that matter) says. I don't worship him or watch all his lectures. But in everything I have watched, he has made pretty good observations about society, where it's headed, and what motivates certain people to act out in certain ways. Just interesting to listen to, whether it's him talking about post-modernism, political correctness, or where he was talking about a Canadian serial killer.
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In the clip Jordan claimed he didn't sleep for 25days after consuming ACV, and that for me pretty much discredited every other claim he made. Well I should say I believe some of his claims, just not to the degree he's claimed, because 25 days no sleep is absolute absurdity.

It also sounds like he suffered from extreme mental issues, juggled various medications and eventually came off during this change, so who knows to what degree they affected his mentality towards his and his families illnesses during that time..

Impossible to know if these claims are exaggerated or not. But the ACV claim alone leads me to believe he exaggerated the chit out of them. Did he also say an apple or something crippled his daughter for 30 days?

Thought the whole clip was intredasting though, saw a completely different side to him. Seems like he was pretty messed up in the past, probably still is given the extreme of his diet. He doesn't even vary his meat, pretty whack. Just eats cow steak, fried fat, and drinks water.. wtf.
Originally Posted By Evlve⏩
Anyways there isn’t enough data out there on the carnivore diet for me to buy into it.
Pretty much this for me.

I'm waiting to hear peoples experiences with this way of eating after doing it for a few years too.

They briefly touch on an interesting point in the clip, where they mention vegans feel great, look great, and life is just great at the beginning, but somewhere along the way things start sliding down hill and picking up speed. Interested to see if the carnivore diet follows a similar path.
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Originally Posted By sickofnerds⏩
also diabetic patiejnts cant eat fruit because all fruitit is sugar with zero nutrients
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