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post 1561317271 09-14-2018, 10:23 PM
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Probably some truth to it since your joke of a country doesn't even have maternity leave or healthcare.

Not that Canada is some great place but USA is supposedly so rich not sure why they cant tackle those issues.
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post 1561317441 09-14-2018, 10:25 PM
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the government can do no wrong.... in fact I love the government along with capitalism. clearly they give us ALL the tools we need to succeed in society. No one is ever at a disadvantage... no excuses from the slackers.

you just need a little piss and vinegar and you can become an overnight millionaire with a little dedication.
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post 1561317581 09-14-2018, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted By WhAtNoWbChSs
your joke of a country doesn't even have maternity leave or healthcare.
and yet Americans will still defend it to their death even though they are screwed daily. Its incredible really.
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Originally Posted By hotsaucebrah
What are you going to do in 10 to 20 years when your job is automated?
Feels good working in industrial automation
post 1561317661 09-14-2018, 10:29 PM
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“If Vanessa clocked more hours, it would be difficult to keep up with all the ways she manages her family: doing the laundry, arranging dentist appointments, counseling the children about sex,studying their deep mysteries to extract their gifts and troubles. Yet our political leaders tend to refuse to view child care as work.”

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post 1561317681 09-14-2018, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted By bigdogfarmhand
when i was a kid my dad told me if i worked hard i could have anything i want

i’m 32 and it’s worked so far
So did my dad.

But then again, both him and mom are middle-class workers who could afford to invest on the education of their kids. Thanks to that and a lack of significant medical or environmental issues, all of us "worked out". There was no reason to ever deviate from the path of socio-economic security.

It's not difficult to understand "hard work" will not systematically get someone from nothing to the same place as those who are well-resourced as often. And you can easily be mediocre through your life if you start from a good position, but if you're equally mediocre as a poor person you're well, ****ed. You'll be working ****ty part-time jobs while collecting welfare instead of evicting tenants from your parents's properties.
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post 1561317751 09-14-2018, 10:31 PM
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Don’t want to be poor? Don’t have a ton of kids you can’t afford.
post 1561318051 09-14-2018, 10:36 PM
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If you are poor DONT ****ING HAVE KIDS UNTIL YOU ARE FINANCIALLY IN A POSITION TO DO SO
post 1561319661 09-14-2018, 11:06 PM
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well the economy is fuked as is.....

i mean when something like 3% of the worlds population...controls like 97-99% of the worlds resources, in terms of money/wealth etc. How can there not be any poor/poverty people when the divide is THAT big
post 1561320151 09-14-2018, 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted By Bar182
If you are poor DONT ****ING HAVE KIDS UNTIL YOU ARE FINANCIALLY IN A POSITION TO DO SO
They don't seem to get it.

Always lmao when I see people congratulating single/poor moms when they have a baby, as if it's not just gonna a burden she's unprepared for and ****ty life for some unfortunate kid.
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Originally Posted By WhAtNoWbChSs
Probably some truth to it since your joke of a country doesn't even have maternity leave or healthcare.
We have maternity leave. You just have to have leave to use it. Which you kinda have, let’s say about 9 months to plan accordingly. And if it’s an inconvenient time to have the baby you could probably use things like condoms or birth control.
post 1561320451 09-14-2018, 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted By Adam16121
“Nobody in America should be poor, period. No single mother struggling to raise children on her own; no formerly incarcerated man who has served his time; no young heroin user struggling with addiction and pain; no retired bus driver whose pension was squandered; nobody. And if we respect hard work, then we should reward it, instead of deploying this value to shame the poor and justify our unconscionable and growing inequality. “I’ve worked hard to get where I am,” you might say. Well, sure. But Vanessa has worked hard to get where she is, too.”
Translation: Personal accountability be damned

Like wtf kind of society do these people want to live in? Where you can do as many crimes/drugs/people you want without facing the consequences?

Probably written by some druggy jailbird addicted to making poor life choices and wants to blame someone else for the fact there are repercussions
post 1561320461 09-14-2018, 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted By WhAtNoWbChSs
Probably some truth to it since your joke of a country doesn't even have maternity leave or healthcare.

Not that Canada is some great place but USA is supposedly so rich not sure why they cant tackle those issues.
I think you're a little bit mistaken here buddy.
Originally Posted By momo5
she's poor for a reason, people are also poor for a reason. It's a different story if your in a third world country and your village gets raided by savages who steal the food and loot.In America you are literally poor cause of your bad decisions. How many poor people sit around and watch tv after work, and play video games , millions do. They lack the drive to further there skill and knowledge to make more income. You can get a free library card and learn new skills from books but people would rather watch tv and complain they are poor and working 2-3 jobs to survive than try to learn new skills that can earn money not per hour but for skill.


It's about working hard but you can't work hard at low skill jobs and expect to not be poor. Nobody needs to pay you 20/hr to put burgers on a little grill and let it heat up a robot can do it and will do it in the future. They pay more for a chef who can cook gourmet meals that get people to pay lot's of money for a dinner experience. So if you want to make a living cook learn how to be a fcking chef.

Tired of this bs about nobody should be poor you can't help everyone some people don't want to strive for anything let em rot. I believed as a kid to help and save everyone but my parents and grandmother has told you can't help everyone. I can give a homeless man $20 cause he says he hungry, he can go spend that on drugs or beer. This is an example of someone you cannot help no matter what you do. There is many people in the world we just cannot help man this is the sad truth. They have kids and those kids suffer but we cannot save the kids without taking them from the parents. which would hurt the kids even more.... in the end you cannot save them and any attempt to help cause more pain for you and the kids as the parents waste the cash.

I wish a knew a solution for this sht but it's not easy. How can you stop some idiot from having 3-4 kids with deadbeats.. you can't stop it manI'm all for helping people but can we really help this person in the Nytimes article, giving her free money is not going to help her have the skills necessary to get a job that pays more. She needs to put effort in as well but how does she find the time for it with 3 kids? If people helped her enough to study 2-3 hours per day would she do it? This is the thing with society we can't just give people free money that don't help them. They need time to improve, if they are not willing to utilize that time to improve then they are poor by there own fault.

I also feel like many systems implemented to help people is abused by true rotters and degenerates. Something we cannot stop and it jades many people as well when they see these pyschopaths and crazy fcks wasting money making you not want to support it. As human's I don't know if we can make it man. To much people are becoming cynical and jaded, lost and lazy. I hope someone creates AI to govern us. If they create AI and it turns against us maybe that will give human's the strength to not be lazy anymore and get it together. Either that or we will lose and be killed.
Besides the AI talk at the end i fully agree with you. Good post. Bold is a very easy thing to spot for any outsider that came to the US in search of a better life.
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post 1561320681 09-14-2018, 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted By MEDITATE
apparently this is vanessa.... color me surprised


https://bdnews24.com/world/americas/...ty.-theyre-not

"Sometimes her kids went to school hungry. “I just didn’t have nothing,” Vanessa told me one morning. For dinner, she planned to stop by a food pantry, hoping they still had the mac-and-cheese that Shamal liked."

Nice fukkin smartphone next to her tho
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post 1561321161 09-14-2018, 11:39 PM
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IMO.

All forms of contraception should be 100% state funded and available to any and all.

Then these people wouldn't breed and expect help (or at least it could be cut down).
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Originally Posted By Adam16121
Thoughts?
the new york times is owned by crooked billionaires that use the media to push dumbass liberal ideas which are essentially trojan horse tactics. present some emotionally charged issue, play it off like criminal politicians care about fixing these emotionally charged issues by pushing laws that are chalked full of litigation that only serves the interest of big business.

cliffs: the media is full of sh_t. fuk them and their attempts at pushing socialism.

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post 1561321611 09-14-2018, 11:54 PM
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So what’s NYT solution to this? Lemme guess, the liberal solution to everything: Bigger Government, More Taxes!
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post 1561322381 09-15-2018, 12:22 AM
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she can barely support herself but decided to have 3 kids....

sounds pretty self inflicted to me
post 1561322421 09-15-2018, 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted By hotsaucebrah
What are you going to do in 10 to 20 years when your job is automated?
pretty sure some random dude said the same thing during the industrial revolution
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Originally Posted By hotsaucebrah
If you work 40 hours a week you shouldn't be near homeless.

We have trillions of dollars for bombs and meaningless wars, but not for taking care of American citizens. I wonder which country Israel is going to get us to go to war with next? My money is on Iran.
she could choose to live in rural America, but she chooses the city.
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I work 50-65 hours a week, my wife works 40-50. We both pay crazy high taxes/hardly get to spend time with our two kids. I honestly have 0 sympathy for this woman for having 3 kids and not being able to support them with a part-time income. I do think it sucks for the kids though.
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Originally Posted By Adam16121
I work 50-65 hours a week, my wife works 40-50. We both pay crazy high taxes/hardly get to spend time with our two kids. I honestly have 0 sympathy for this woman for having 3 kids and not being able to support them with a part-time income. I do think it sucks for the kids though.
according to the liberals you and your wife should be paying to support her and her 3 kids
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Not from america, but doesnt your country provide things like welfare? food and health insurance for people who are jobless? And centers that help you look for a job? Fukin lol @ all the opportunities that are given to you guys and still complain about this and that. In other countries you would be left for dead on the streets.
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Originally Posted By MEDITATE
apparently this is vanessa.... color me surprised


https://bdnews24.com/world/americas/...ty.-theyre-not

someone creampied that 3 times...
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i grew up poor. its so hard to get out of it
its like a trap
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Originally Posted By LeJR
pretty sure some random dude said the same thing during the industrial revolution
The whole AI issue reminds me of a fantastic game called factorio. You basically have to build machines to automate production to build your base. By far the easiest, lowest intensity part of the game is the start where you have few machines doing anything. Once you start automating things and expanding there are always a billion and one things to manage, build or fix.

Obviously futurology is an incredibly complex subject with the probability of getting it wrong being very high but this ubiquitous notion amongst the AI futurologists that machines will destroy the human job market seems speculative at best to me.
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"doing the laundry, arranging dentist appointments, counseling the children about sex, studying their deep mysteries to extract their gifts and troubles"

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Anyway, being poor is relative. Unless you go full socialism, there's always going to be "poor". She still has a wealthier lifestyle and has 100x more opportunities than most people in the world...
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Originally Posted By hotsaucebrah
If you work 40 hours a week you shouldn't be near homeless.
You won't be

Might just have to move somewhere where you can afford something on 40 hours.

Williston ND was paying Walmart and McDonalds employees $15+ an hour. 3 bedroom apartments for $1000

Yeah it sucks there, but when you have no job skills you best take what you can get. Also, you don't get a car, cellphone, internet, TV's. Those are luxury goods for people with the means to pay for them. Not sure when all of that became a basic human right.

If you're poor, you ride the bus, bike, or walk to work, and you head on down to the local library if you need to use some internet
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Originally Posted By EsB818
So what’s NYT solution to this? Lemme guess, the liberal solution to everything: Bigger Government, More Taxes!
They should hire her
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