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How do people that seemingly have it all, end up depressed/suicidal ?
How do people that seemingly have it all, end up depressed/suicidal ?
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Originally Posted By 2RDEYE⏩
My sister makes over 6 figs, lives in one of the greatest cities in world, and is depressed, plus on meds. I tell her all the time to get out and do something different, but she rather watch Netflix, be angry at the world, and send me stupid memes on IG.same here. there is so much i would love to do but i don't have the money. if you're lonely there is so much you can do, there's a whole different world out there, not just the same city or country. you don't have to just limit yourself to meds and therapy and **** like that. you have the money to find something you love. you can try it all.
I can't with her sometimes.
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Originally Posted By DanielleGreen⏩
if that was my sister or brother i'd be like **** give me the money then i'll do something with it. i would like buy her a ticket for a cruise or somewhere completely different like myanmar or something. open her eyes. there's a different world out there.My sister makes over 6 figs, lives in one of the greatest cities in world, and is depressed, plus on meds. I tell her all the time to get out and do something different, but she rather watch Netflix, be angry at the world, and send me stupid memes on IG.
I can't with her sometimes.
I can't with her sometimes.
There is only one Hell: the one we live in now.
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idk about you guys but I would hate not being able to leave my house and having a camera follow me
if you're a celebrity, you literally cannot even walk into a grocery store without getting loads of people coming up to you, asking for pictures, autographs, etc.
I could see it getting very lonely.
if you're a celebrity, you literally cannot even walk into a grocery store without getting loads of people coming up to you, asking for pictures, autographs, etc.
I could see it getting very lonely.
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More people commit suicide every year than all conflicts, murders, and natural disasters combined. It might be the best century to be alive from a materialistic perspective ... but that statistic definitely says money & things don't mean chit when it comes to happiness.
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Because of the human condition. Things can get better and good for some time, but they will never be best. Everyone has their issues, and depression can affect people through various ways, finances, friends, etc. aren't the whole picture. And even if people look good on the outside, there can be depression at the microscopic/genetic level where doctors still don't even know all the causes. It brings into question, how much control do we really have over our happiness and successes. I don't care how much people like to deny it, most of life comes down to luck.
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For myself, once suicide became an option, it's always an option. I'm not sad but once my idealism died, everything has become mindless self indulgence. A lot of it was a brutal childhood which effected my brain development and having no value as the poor kid. Now that I'm more attractive and have a little money the attention I get seems very hollow and shallow.
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Because the vast majority of people making a lot of money are just as-if not many degrees more-stressed out by their well paying careers than your average 50k/year worker. Then they compensate by buying a bunch of chit they dont need but end up depressed knowing they're just well paid desk drones with just as many hours in a day to enjoy their material things as the next guy
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Purpose.
Family, friends, money, health, all mean nothing to a person compared to purpose.
Why so many young men strive for money, women for babies?
Family, friends, money, health, all mean nothing to a person compared to purpose.
Why so many young men strive for money, women for babies?
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Originally Posted By 2RDEYE⏩
It's honestly pretty sad. So many people where we are from would cut their own leg off for an opportunity like she has. It's privilege she barely even recognizes.if that was my sister or brother i'd be like **** give me the money then i'll do something with it. i would like buy her a ticket for a cruise or somewhere completely different like myanmar or something. open her eyes. there's a different world out there.
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Originally Posted By DPeezy13⏩
FYI I live in DC and am a lawyer if you ever want to hang out with a fellow miscer, send me a PMAh, the good ol’ existential void, I know it all too well.
The hedonic treadmill is a real thing I guess
The hedonic treadmill is a real thing I guess
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Originally Posted By mchabs⏩
The real problem with celebrities isn't so much the cameras but the insulation. Every meeting and interaction is scheduled or controlled by somebody trying to protect them or make a buck off of them. A lot of celebs aren't born into a situation like that so its tough to handle for them. People who are born into a live or privilege like royalty seem to cope better.idk about you guys but I would hate not being able to leave my house and having a camera follow me
if you're a celebrity, you literally cannot even walk into a grocery store without getting loads of people coming up to you, asking for pictures, autographs, etc.
I could see it getting very lonely.
if you're a celebrity, you literally cannot even walk into a grocery store without getting loads of people coming up to you, asking for pictures, autographs, etc.
I could see it getting very lonely.
On the flip-side you have average joe who works a 9-5, stuck in artificial lighting all day, who gave up on their dreams years ago, and rots in a routine all day that gives little meaning to their lives.
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Never knowing if somebody loves you and/or wants to be in your life for legit reasons or because they want money or to leech off you. The latter is far more common so eventually you believe that not a single person in this world actually cares about you which leads you down a rabbit hole of self doubt and a pile of insecurities and the corresponding feeling of worthlessness despite being wildly successful for your age.
The worst part is the vast majority of the world can’t possibly understand because they’ve never been put in such a position which makes you feel even further removed from society. Often at this point people develop addictions to sustain an artificial happiness if even for a short time but this behavior isn’t feasible and eventually leads to a breakdown of one kind or another.
I’ve just described myself, but I got the addictions whipped and fill all the other voids in my life with work and/or self improvement. I live a life most would kill to have but I have no doubt that someday (not anytime soon) I will die by my own hand as I don’t have what it takes to grow old and worthless to society and I don’t believe anything else is capable of killing me outside of a freak accident of sorts.
The worst part is the vast majority of the world can’t possibly understand because they’ve never been put in such a position which makes you feel even further removed from society. Often at this point people develop addictions to sustain an artificial happiness if even for a short time but this behavior isn’t feasible and eventually leads to a breakdown of one kind or another.
I’ve just described myself, but I got the addictions whipped and fill all the other voids in my life with work and/or self improvement. I live a life most would kill to have but I have no doubt that someday (not anytime soon) I will die by my own hand as I don’t have what it takes to grow old and worthless to society and I don’t believe anything else is capable of killing me outside of a freak accident of sorts.
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Originally Posted By SmillironS⏩
In cases of being rich, couldn't you kind of hide your net-worth and riches, and see whether people are there to actually enjoy your company, or if they're just trying to leech. I don't see how this would be so difficult, as long as you aren't famous/well-known, but I've never been in this situation so I'm not completely certain. This seems like it could be a good way to filter out many leeches from the start though.Never knowing if somebody loves you and/or wants to be in your life for legit reasons or because they want money or to leech off you. The latter is far more common so eventually you believe that not a single person in this world actually cares about you which leads you down a rabbit hole of self doubt and a pile of insecurities and the corresponding feeling of worthlessness despite being wildly successful for your age.
The worst part is the vast majority of the world can’t possibly understand because they’ve never been put in such a position which makes you feel even further removed from society. Often at this point people develop addictions to sustain an artificial happiness if even for a short time but this behavior isn’t feasible and eventually leads to a breakdown of one kind or another.
I’ve just described myself, but I got the addictions whipped and fill all the other voids in my life with work and/or self improvement. I live a life most would kill to have but I have no doubt that someday (not anytime soon) I will die by my own hand as I don’t have what it takes to grow old and worthless to society and I don’t believe anything else is capable of killing me outside of a freak accident of sorts.
The worst part is the vast majority of the world can’t possibly understand because they’ve never been put in such a position which makes you feel even further removed from society. Often at this point people develop addictions to sustain an artificial happiness if even for a short time but this behavior isn’t feasible and eventually leads to a breakdown of one kind or another.
I’ve just described myself, but I got the addictions whipped and fill all the other voids in my life with work and/or self improvement. I live a life most would kill to have but I have no doubt that someday (not anytime soon) I will die by my own hand as I don’t have what it takes to grow old and worthless to society and I don’t believe anything else is capable of killing me outside of a freak accident of sorts.
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Originally Posted By SmillironS⏩
Brah please don't off yourself. Please don't.Never knowing if somebody loves you and/or wants to be in your life for legit reasons or because they want money or to leech off you. The latter is far more common so eventually you believe that not a single person in this world actually cares about you which leads you down a rabbit hole of self doubt and a pile of insecurities and the corresponding feeling of worthlessness despite being wildly successful for your age.
The worst part is the vast majority of the world can’t possibly understand because they’ve never been put in such a position which makes you feel even further removed from society. Often at this point people develop addictions to sustain an artificial happiness if even for a short time but this behavior isn’t feasible and eventually leads to a breakdown of one kind or another.
I’ve just described myself, but I got the addictions whipped and fill all the other voids in my life with work and/or self improvement. I live a life most would kill to have but I have no doubt that someday (not anytime soon) I will die by my own hand as I don’t have what it takes to grow old and worthless to society and I don’t believe anything else is capable of killing me outside of a freak accident of sorts.
The worst part is the vast majority of the world can’t possibly understand because they’ve never been put in such a position which makes you feel even further removed from society. Often at this point people develop addictions to sustain an artificial happiness if even for a short time but this behavior isn’t feasible and eventually leads to a breakdown of one kind or another.
I’ve just described myself, but I got the addictions whipped and fill all the other voids in my life with work and/or self improvement. I live a life most would kill to have but I have no doubt that someday (not anytime soon) I will die by my own hand as I don’t have what it takes to grow old and worthless to society and I don’t believe anything else is capable of killing me outside of a freak accident of sorts.
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Originally Posted By DPeezy13⏩
For one thing, no matter how much money you have you can't cure all illnesses and your can't bring people back from the dead. Two problems that money doesn't solve.Not to sound clueless, I know there are a lot of people out there with chemical imbalances, etc. but it’s so crazy to me that are so many rich and successful people that end up severely depressed.
I’ve gone through depression a few times in my life, but it was always over some perceived feeling of lack (lonely/tfw no gf, chitty job/tight finances, etc)
But it’s crazy to me when you see someone successful, attractive, with kids and traveling, end up depressed or suicidal. Does it have something to do with the FOMO associated with rampant social media use ?
I’ve gone through depression a few times in my life, but it was always over some perceived feeling of lack (lonely/tfw no gf, chitty job/tight finances, etc)
But it’s crazy to me when you see someone successful, attractive, with kids and traveling, end up depressed or suicidal. Does it have something to do with the FOMO associated with rampant social media use ?
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Originally Posted By DanielleGreen⏩
I have no intentions of it, but to ignore the fact that it eventually (decades from now) will be a real possibility is folly. I have no issues with controlling the time and fashion of my demise, I don’t fear death as I don’t believe it is the end of our existence.Brah please don't off yourself. Please don't.
Originally Posted By SteadyWayfarer⏩
I live in a perennial top 3 poorest county in the nation in bumfuk SoDak so even what most would consider mediocre comes across as rich here. It’s hard to explain but no it’s pretty hard to hide success here.In cases of being rich, couldn't you kind of hide your net-worth and riches, and see whether people are there to actually enjoy your company, or if they're just trying to leech. I don't see how this would be so difficult, as long as you aren't famous/well-known, but I've never been in this situation so I'm not completely certain. This seems like it could be a good way to filter out many leeches from the start though.
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I think what most people struggle with including myself isn't so much depression but feeling like you're stuck in a trap with no way out. It is ungodly hard to see things outside of your own thought loop and it just creates a vicious cycle of unhappiness, beatdowness, and stuckness. People outside your loop will often scratch their head at your dilemma because they will see your situation much more clearly. It's like how everyone that isn't involved in a hand at the poker table can know that you're beat and should muck your hand ... but you're so caught up in your hand and invested in it that you pay off what is obviously a loser to everyone else. Then when you do payoff with the worst of it you beat yourself up for fukin up and being so stupid.
^^That last part is often the worst. There is no worse spot than feeling like your life is fuked... stuck in a trap... and knowing you willingly made all the boneheaded decisions that put you in that spot.
^^That last part is often the worst. There is no worse spot than feeling like your life is fuked... stuck in a trap... and knowing you willingly made all the boneheaded decisions that put you in that spot.
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The happiest guy I know has none of those things. Middle aged, no family, no kids, no wife, no money, POS car, lives with a roommate, short, average face, works way too hard and gets paid too little (under the table). For some reason he can't stop smiling and just looking at his smile will infect you with happiness like the flu.
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Tony Robbins talks about this regularly.
He basically says it's because that their needs aren't met (especially needs for growth and positive contribution), or what they are focusing on isn't meeting their needs (Eg. they are focusing on buying things, rather than having caring and joyful relationships).
Here is a (long) talk from Tony Robbins, where he talks about how important meeting our needs is...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcLuyyNtm28
Also OP, anyone of any class can have a chitty childhood, due to emotional neglect, terrifying or tragic experiences, and/or outright abuse. Childhood/adolescent trauma can really damage people long term.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0Fi32LbXHA
He basically says it's because that their needs aren't met (especially needs for growth and positive contribution), or what they are focusing on isn't meeting their needs (Eg. they are focusing on buying things, rather than having caring and joyful relationships).
Here is a (long) talk from Tony Robbins, where he talks about how important meeting our needs is...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcLuyyNtm28
Also OP, anyone of any class can have a chitty childhood, due to emotional neglect, terrifying or tragic experiences, and/or outright abuse. Childhood/adolescent trauma can really damage people long term.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0Fi32LbXHA
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I've seen it firsthand from a guy I've known since I was 10. Dude graduated college with a computer science degree and had a 6 figure job as a software engineer.
He played saxophone in his apartment a lot and annoyed his neighbors so they asked him not to play so loud. What does he do? Invents a soundproof room and builds a huge business out of it. When I first met him, he was happily married and had 2 kids. Big house on the lake, big boat, range rover, the whole 9.
Now I'm nearly 24 and the same guy is a bad alcoholic, abuses prescription medication, tried to commit suicide even. Wife divorced him and his kids moved away so now he's just by himself aside from the workers he lets use his place from time to time. It's sad tbh, big powerful businessman who is now an alcoholic with a prescription medication problem. Usually combines the two as well.
He played saxophone in his apartment a lot and annoyed his neighbors so they asked him not to play so loud. What does he do? Invents a soundproof room and builds a huge business out of it. When I first met him, he was happily married and had 2 kids. Big house on the lake, big boat, range rover, the whole 9.
Now I'm nearly 24 and the same guy is a bad alcoholic, abuses prescription medication, tried to commit suicide even. Wife divorced him and his kids moved away so now he's just by himself aside from the workers he lets use his place from time to time. It's sad tbh, big powerful businessman who is now an alcoholic with a prescription medication problem. Usually combines the two as well.
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Originally Posted By DPeezy13⏩
Long term/chronic depression doesn’t care if you have money or are successful. It is an imbalance of chemicals like Seritonin in the brain.Not to sound clueless, I know there are a lot of people out there with chemical imbalances, etc. but it’s so crazy to me that are so many rich and successful people that end up severely depressed.
I’ve gone through depression a few times in my life, but it was always over some perceived feeling of lack (lonely/tfw no gf, chitty job/tight finances, etc)
But it’s crazy to me when you see someone successful, attractive, with kids and traveling, end up depressed or suicidal. Does it have something to do with the FOMO associated with rampant social media use ?
I’ve gone through depression a few times in my life, but it was always over some perceived feeling of lack (lonely/tfw no gf, chitty job/tight finances, etc)
But it’s crazy to me when you see someone successful, attractive, with kids and traveling, end up depressed or suicidal. Does it have something to do with the FOMO associated with rampant social media use ?
I suffer from chronic depression. When it spikes, it is pretty scary. Hopelessness and lack of interest in normal things.
Meds can be helpful, but they don’t always work and there are various types, all with side effects and habituation.
Schizophrenia is probably the worst as your mind fights itself. Many folks with Schizophrenia do something(s) in their late teens/early 20s that results in arrest or being 5150’d into a hospital. Thy get meds, it gets better, they stop taking the meds because “they are cured” and they eventually contact police or other governmental representatives, resulting in an endless cycle.
Crime/public decompensation—->
Incarceration/inpatient mental——>
Stabilized and medicated—->
Case management outside institution —->
Feel better, stop taking meds—->
Crime/public decompensation.
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Originally Posted By DanielleGreen⏩
Hedonic treadmillIt's honestly pretty sad. So many people where we are from would cut their own leg off for an opportunity like she has. It's privilege she barely even recognizes.
Where are you from ?
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Originally Posted By LoganBrown⏩
Wow...surely there’s more to the story. Do you still hang out with him ?I've seen it firsthand from a guy I've known since I was 10. Dude graduated college with a computer science degree and had a 6 figure job as a software engineer.
He played saxophone in his apartment a lot and annoyed his neighbors so they asked him not to play so loud. What does he do? Invents a soundproof room and builds a huge business out of it. When I first met him, he was happily married and had 2 kids. Big house on the lake, big boat, range rover, the whole 9.
Now I'm nearly 24 and the same guy is a bad alcoholic, abuses prescription medication, tried to commit suicide even. Wife divorced him and his kids moved away so now he's just by himself aside from the workers he lets use his place from time to time. It's sad tbh, big powerful businessman who is now an alcoholic with a prescription medication problem. Usually combines the two as well.
He played saxophone in his apartment a lot and annoyed his neighbors so they asked him not to play so loud. What does he do? Invents a soundproof room and builds a huge business out of it. When I first met him, he was happily married and had 2 kids. Big house on the lake, big boat, range rover, the whole 9.
Now I'm nearly 24 and the same guy is a bad alcoholic, abuses prescription medication, tried to commit suicide even. Wife divorced him and his kids moved away so now he's just by himself aside from the workers he lets use his place from time to time. It's sad tbh, big powerful businessman who is now an alcoholic with a prescription medication problem. Usually combines the two as well.
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