God I'm sick of hearing about fukin keto. No, it's completely unnecessary for most people and won't get you any better results than flexible dieting.

Go eat a goddamn burger

The only thing you lose quickly is water weight. Overweight people hop on keto and actually stick to a caloric deficit for the first time in their life and preach keto like it's some kind of miracle.

LOL Keto jumped the shark back in the 90's. Weird how the leanest and healthiest populations on the plant eat +60% of their diet in carbs

I'm just tired of hearing about it from fat az people who say I'm wrong for eating more carbs than what's in a banana. Yeah great, you lost 80 pounds of fat. If you had any idea about nutrition to begin with you wouldn't have been a hambeast most of your life.

Hit your macros and you will be fine. I don't need to carry sticks of butter with me everywhere I go.

I will have to say I know a couple of people who do it because of diabetes concerns and it works well for them. However, they don't push it on me like it's the only diet that works for every single human on earth.

This.

Keto also means relatively low protein, which no one does.

Most of the 'keto' people are actually just low carb.

This. Lmao @ obese people touting keto.

I have yet to meet 1 person doing real keto who has a respectable physique.

Theres so many myths/broscience chit out there. Another myth is the weightloss 'plateau'.... Yeah you stopped dropping weight because you ate like chit for 2 weeks.

Fat people have a psychological issue with food. All these 'With 1 SIMPLE trick!!!' diets allow obese people to continue to live in denial of their actual problem: simply over-eating.

I would have to stay home 24/7 to be able to do keto efficiently, just too many social occasions with some sneaky carbs in the mix
Would rather stay 12-13% year-round and tighten up my diet to get to 9-10% a few times/year than to be keto year-round and stay 8-9%

That being said I try to keep my carbs at 75-110g when cutting, that's my happy medium when it comes to flexibility, water retention and enjoyment

I used a keto approach last year and it worked well for me. Nothing magical about it other than reducing my hunger compared to being in a deficit with carbs. I used a blood meter to monitor BHB and was able to maintain "dietary ketosis" levels of around 1-1.6 mmol/L eating just over 1g protein per day and lots of low carb veg (brah-collie, cauliflower, spinach, lettuce etc). I typically use a low carb approach though since carbs tend to make me hungry (even complex carbs like oatmeal etc). I'm experimenting now with low carb most of the week and 1-2 day carb up (run my fat lower and drastically increase carbs). Hoping to find a spot where I can eat in a deficit and not be hungry all the time and still be filled out most of the week. Don't like how flat I look when running carbs really low for long stretches.

Regular keto is a way of life for me. When I really wamt to get ripped I do 4 months of Vince girondas steak and eggs diet. He quite possibly had the best naturally built body ever and ate like this most of his life. Problem is anyone I know thats ever tried to do this diet quit after two days, damn cucks low test *******s.


Info
http://anaerobixx.com/my-first-month...and-eggs-diet/
http://ironandgrit.com/2015/09/12/th.../#.XDydCmmIa70

wow

interesting read.

lol @ thinking you need keto to get and stay shredded. feel sorry for you brahs.

calorie deficit and time gets you shredded, and controlling your calories keeps you shredded.

low carb/keto will wreck your metabolism and hormones long term imo.

i agree with the bold.... but the low carb wrecking your metabolism thingy is a strong broscience..like PHD level

Legit snorted at blahblah.

I'm a big fan and proponent of keto diets, but the answer is, No.

There is no one way that works for everyone in every situation and anyone who says such is ignorant.

Edit:

One thing I see in this thread a lot is the "Calories! Calories! Calories!" idea being pushed and I disagree, let me explain:

Weight gain/loss isn't about calories. Calories don't make us fat or lean. If you take in a lot of calories one day, it's not like it's all converted immediately into fat and then the next if you cut way down you burn it all as fat. We're not constantly gaining and losing weight on a daily basis, beyond water weight.

All things being equal: It's been shown, if you take in more calories, your body increased your metabolism to compensate. The same if you cut down, something anyone who has undertaken a hardcore low calorie LISS diet knows all too well. You cut way down, you feel like chit, way too hungry, low energy, etc

Yes, obviously, people eat too much and get fat, no question, but what is more impactful there is the HORMONES involved.

Meaning, with insulin - you're getting fat, calories be damned and likewise, without insulin, you're maintaining or losing fat, also calories be damned. A type 1 diabetic, someone whose own body attacks their pancreas and can not create insulin - they WILL waist away and die, regardless of calories. Likewise, a type 2 diabetic who is making a legit effort to clean up their diet and calories, but who has been prescribed massive amounts of exogenous insulin WILL gain fat, calories be damned.

So, with Keto diets -- no carbs. Carbs typically the biggest spikers of insulin (although whey protein is up there). Protein is typically more moderate and fat barely spikes insulin at all. So they work, even when someone like Jason Whitrock (who likely is not natural so ymmv if you compare yourself to him) but even when he goes on a 10,000/day calorie diet a day, he doesn't gain a lot of fat because the 10,000 calories are coming from foods that aren't skyrocketing his insulin, the excess calories are chit out, burnt by his metabolism, whatever.

Does this mean you need to be on a keto to lose weight? No.

Everyone is different. Someone lean, someone who trains, someone who isn't eating constantly and isn't eating chitty sources of carbs can and will do perfectly fine with carbs in their diet. Your body stores glycogen first in your liver and muscles. The problem is when people aren't using that for energy before they re-eat and when they do eat, they eat too much and the wrong kinds of foods. So when they eat, it's not being stored for quick energy or being used up then and there, at some point your body will store it as fat. Too much, too quick and the wrong kinds of foods. That's the issue.

Someone super active, who isn't constantly snacking, who restricts sugar in their diet, who probably avoids heavily processed foods, if they're getting carbs from natural sources, maybe even some starchy ones, they're fine -- however, someone overweight, inactive, constantly eating, eating ****ing sugar and bread? Yeah, they're ****ed - regardless of the calories they are taking in.

Let me put it like this: If you're eating nothing but broc****, chicken breast, avocado, walnuts, beef liver, eggs and spinach... if you are working out 3-4/week, and you stick to a 8ish hour window of eating: eat as much as you want. You're not getting fat on those foods.

Meanwhile, cut your calories all you want, if you're eating hamburgers, burritos, pizza and drinking cokes, with lots of snacking, I don't care if you "eat at maintenance", after a month you will look worse.

So, yes, calories matter - but only indirectly. Every calorie is a potential to gain weight. Some calories matter more than others, though, so if you just look at calories and not the sources they come from, you're missing the big picture.

Real talk, how many physique or bodybuilding competitors do you know that actually do keto? I’m sure there’s a few but the vast majority are eating carbs year round and then manipulate carbs a week or two before the show to deal with water retention.

lol if you think keto is giving you a better physique or helping you “burn fat” any more efficiently.

In b4 they’re on cell tech so it’s different. It’s really not. Either it’s a superior method to getting your ideal physique or it’s not. Cell techers would still want to take advantage of those benefits if there was something to be gained.

I'm not reading that wall of nonsense, but are you saying you're able to eatmore calories and lose weight on keto than if you ate 280 grams of carbs??

If your answer is no, then weightloss = calories

If your answer is yes, then you're wrong

absolute. Bull. Chit.

Yeah but then you need to maintain keto year round, good luck with that


Nothing wrong with applying low carb principles long term but ain't nobody maintaining super-restrictive diets for 5+ years

This post is pure broscience and this poor tool has been brainwashed by Gary Taubes

Eat as much as you want guys it all has to do with insulin regulation!


Yes our metabolism can adjust from a temporarily high day of calories to burn the excess, do this long term and see if your metabolism stays ramped up enough to compensate like that though

Just lmao at what I just read

But he is right when talking about insulin.

For the regular guy who trains keto will show no real benefit in weight loss. But for the people who have become insulin resistant over the years of eating crap it is light years ahead. It helps get that baseline insulin down, and start having normal responses to insulin. It has been proven that some peoples baseline insulin is so high they basically have to fast till they are slim to lose weight.

After you've reset or gained back some insulin resistance then yes you could in theory go back to a carb based diet and still lose weight. But you gain other positives with keto based diet like lack of hunger, so it is easier then the traditional diet in controlling those calories.

Personally I was overweight, have tried to lose weight for the past 15 years and always lost a bit and then fell off the wagon. Keto on the other hand I enjoy, I eat one meal a day, have lost 75 pds easily and have made this a way to live my life. I know you'll say well if you ate one meal a day on a carb based diet you'd lose weight as well. Your right, I would but I have never been able to stick with it, ive tried many times.

Throwing IF into it, IF has been proven to retain more lean mass at the same caloric restriction as typical eating. With keto IF is super easy.

Again I dont think for the average gym goer its a must but I dont think its a negative especially when coupled with IF.

Jason Fung has some great info on it

It's like they're crossfitters


I am that diet where I just don't over eat.

I'm reading through a keto thread on another board I check out and the keto zealots are saying keto is the ONLY sustainable diet out there. These people are delusional.

both of you are fukcing idiots"Srs" .... take 2 mins of your worthless day were you do nothing except watch porn and jack off and read what he wrote.. you might learn a thing or two

NothxJeff. I choose a happy life.

I personally had the best results on a whole foods plant based diet.
BRB being ripped around 10% all year around while eating until you're full and still making the best gains I've ever had.

Depends on the person. My body will pretty much always balance itself out. When I ate 4,000 calories/day(and I did for months) I was sh!tting all the time and barely gained any weight. I cut back and didn’t really lose anything. After Thanksgiving dinner(and eating 2 giant plates of food) I stepped on the scale since people were weighing themselves. Even though I hadn’t weighed myself in months I told everyone I could almost guarantee I weighed 172.5. When I stepped on the scale I came in at 172.8. Going crazy with overeating(I actually messed my stomach up doing it) only resulted in minimal gains, and if I cut back I just end up with less energy. I know some people who gain weight week over week if they try(and plenty who will even if they don’t try), but there are people whose body will balance itself more than most people imagine.

Agreed, and I actually repped his post. I think the whole “calories in vs. calories out” thing came about because 1.) there is obviously some truth to it(even though it doesn’t tell the whole story), and 2.) because people get tired of giving advice or hearing people make excuses. It’s good for people starting out to keep it simple so that they learn discipline and quit making excuses, but there is more to it than just calories in vs. calories out.

This sounds awesome, but I don't know if I could do BJJ while on no carbs.

They’ll get a dose of reality eventually, I was probably the same way when I first got into Paleo and then Keto-style diets hard af like a decade ago

So in summary Keto was simply an easier method for you to keep on track.

It had little to nothing to do with carbs spiking your insulin preventing you from losing fat more effectively.


There’s nothing wrong with keto if it works for you to stay in track better. The problem is when people start pretending it works for some false hormone regulation narrative when ultimately the calories consumed is a far greater impact on the reduction of fat loss than the bullsh*t stories being spun about carbs being the enemy

People simply don’t want to take responsibility for their actions with this narrative. Go keto and still consume the same amount of calories you’ve been eating on carbs and you’ll still be a fatass