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post 1575984681 03-16-2019, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted By DrunkonMilk⏩
No, but why be an ass. It will prob take a minute of your time.
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Idk but I know in Florida you can be arrested for resisting arrest as the only charge.


Don't do anything to piss off cops that have a chip on their shoulder. Just ask them what they want and do whatever you can to make the interaction as short as possible and easy for everyone involved. ( kind of like rape logic, "don't resist and don't fight back so it all goes smoother
so...land of the free. as long as you submit when prompted? nice
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Originally Posted By SippyCups⏩
Lawyer checking in. Serious answer is no. They have to have "reasonable suspicion" to stop you or even ask to see your ID.

But if for whatever reason he does have reasonable suspicion and he orders you to stop, them you'll be committing a crime if you disobey the lawful order.

So what do you do? You stop andask if you're freeto leave. If he says no, then you can lawyer up later and file a lawsuit if you want. Anything else you do might land you in jail.
you need to ask if you are free. lets think about this
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And what if said cop is the type to lord his authority over you? You may not like it but the badge can make your life a misery there and then if not handled well.
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Originally Posted By SippyCups⏩
They have to have "reasonable suspicion" to stop you
which they could come up with a millions reasons why your suspicious so basically yes you have to unless you want to get cuffed and hassled.
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I'd hand them my wallet and ask them to please not shoot me. I have a family.

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As already stated, if they have reason to suspect you were/will/are committing an offence then yes you have to stop. If they dont have that, then you dont. And yes, I suppose its possible that the cop can "pretend" he has suspicion.

edit: I heard there are some places that require you to ID no matter what. I am not familiar with these.

Also, if your driving your car you can be stopped an your docs can be checked for no reason except to check. Your rights are different when in a vehicle.
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I'd stop and answer his questions

Don't want my life turning into hell because some douche cop had a power trip
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Originally Posted By MiamiLife305⏩
I'd stop and answer his questions

Don't want my life turning into hell because some douche cop had a power trip
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Originally Posted By Iceman1800⏩
nope
The problem with OPs scenario is that it purports police-civilian interactions are "this" cut-and-dry when in fact very few of them are. Wether he or she has grounds to detain you depends solely on their reason for doing so. If I believe I need to conduct a Terry Stop on you, then you have to obey commands and if you flee then you most certainly can be detained or charged. Whether the charge sticks will depend on testimony in Court and if officer testifies that crime was, is or could be afoot. The stop in OPs scenario is a Terry Stop based on RS or reasonable suspicious. Before Terry v. Ohio, officers had no constitutional grounds to detain someone based on suspicion alone. However, after Terry was found "casing" or "scouting" a bank with two others while CC's a revolver, the Court established that an officer, under articulable and reasonable circumstances, may detain someone if he or she believes crime has occurred or is about to occur.

So, if an officer says "Come here I need to talk to you,"yes, you do have to comply.If you choose to flee, you have now committed a crime. If you say "no," then I'll just cuff you & do the investigation / interrogation anyways.
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I personally would because I have nothing to hide... some people would strongly disagree with this because of the "free country", "I did nothing wrong", etc and just get super defensive, sovereign citizen ****gy time and cause a huge scene and waste a bunch of folks' time. We almost need "stop n' search" or whatever it's called in certain places in the US, and coincidentally the people who always flip out about the 100% no police interaction stuff are usually from upper class areas where they don't have sketchy people everywhere doing sketchy chit. Now that weed is on it's way to being completely legal there will be a lot less belly-aching about this kind of stuff, that's my only real problem with police randomly approaching you is the possibility of running in to an azzhole officer saying he smells weed on you, finding a little bit, and then you catch a criminal charge over something as harmless and decriminalized as marijuana... I realize you were asking about your.... i mean your friends situation but I decided to follow suit with the rest of the replies and give my opinion on it LOL NEG ME ****S BYE
post 1575989411 03-16-2019, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted By Stringer-Bell⏩
I personally would because I have nothing to hide... some people would strongly disagree with this because of the "free country", "I did nothing wrong", etc and just get super defensive, sovereign citizen ****gy time and cause a huge scene and waste a bunch of folks' time. We almost need "stop n' search" or whatever it's called in certain places in the US, and coincidentally the people who always flip out about the 100% no police interaction stuff are usually from upper class areas where they don't have sketchy people everywhere doing sketchy chit. Now that weed is on it's way to being completely legal there will be a lot less belly-aching about this kind of stuff, that's my only real problem with police randomly approaching you is the possibility of running in to an azzhole officer saying he smells weed on you, finding a little bit, and then you catch a criminal charge over something as harmless and decriminalized as marijuana... I realize you were asking about your.... i mean your friends situation but I decided to follow suit with the rest of the replies and give my opinion on it LOL NEG ME ****S BYE
I believe in some inner city locales with high crime rates stop and search policies did help reduce crime. But then civil liberties folks got involved and now there is an emphasis on "de-policing". So now crime rates are going back up in some places.
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Originally Posted By AniMaLizTik⏩
you need to ask if you are free. lets think about this
I mean you can ignore their commands all you want, just don't be surprised if you end up Tased and handcuffed.

Just play by their rules and assert your rights later
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I would stop and say hello Officer what do you need from me?
What’s so hard about that
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No reason to hate those protecting us. If they need to speak with you they probably have a valid reason.

I would not mind a cop asking me this.

Now walmart and costco on the other hand wanting to see my receipt, I dont care for that and walk right by.
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Originally Posted By friesbruh⏩
The problem with OPs scenario is that it purports police-civilian interactions are "this" cut-and-dry when in fact very few of them are. Wether he or she has grounds to detain you depends solely on their reason for doing so. If I believe I need to conduct a Terry Stop on you, then you have to obey commands and if you flee then you most certainly can be detained or charged. Whether the charge sticks will depend on testimony in Court and if officer testifies that crime was, is or could be afoot. The stop in OPs scenario is a Terry Stop based on RS or reasonable suspicious. Before Terry v. Ohio, officers had no constitutional grounds to detain someone based on suspicion alone. However, after Terry was found "casing" or "scouting" a bank with two others while CC's a revolver, the Court established that an officer, under articulable and reasonable circumstances, may detain someone if he or she believes crime has occurred or is about to occur.

So, if an officer says "Come here I need to talk to you,"yes, you do have to comply.If you choose to flee, you have now committed a crime. If you say "no," then I'll just cuff you & do the investigation / interrogation anyways.
I can stand there but I have don't have to talk to you and better sure as hell give me a reasonable and articulate suspicion for detaining me.

If you put your hands on me for no justifiable reason I will hurt you very badly. Badge or no badge.
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
If you put your hands on me for no justifiable reason I will hurt you very badly. Badge or no badge.
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Originally Posted By outfoxxed⏩
Black people in general need to just learn to cooperate with police.

If a cop asks you to stop, just talk to them like a normal person instead of running or acting like they'll **** your shyt up
Black People don't trust the police. There was a time when the police were hosing down, beating them with batons and letting police dogs have at it. this generation has heard the stories. it takes time to build that trust.
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Originally Posted By AniMaLizTik⏩
...and you turn your back and walk away. You were not breaking any laws. Does he or she have the authority to detain you by force?

asking for a friend
According to most Miscers, and the responses that we see in other threads here, the cop would have the right to kill you for that. He was just doing his job and you should have followed his orders and not been a dumbass.
Originally Posted By amikaelmorris⏩
depends on the state largely to my knowledge

i think the bulk of states have "stop and identify" laws where you have to produce ID if a cop asks, but a fair amount you're allowed to walk away unless they have reasonable suspicion that you're involved in something ie what you're wearing matching a suspect or something
"GTFO with that bullsht. "Stop and identify" only applies if the officer has "reasonable suspicion" that you have committed a crime. It is perfectly legal (although not recommended) and constitutional in the entire US to tell an officer to fuk off if he asks you anything (unless you are driving, in which case you are required to show ID. This does NOT apply to passengers in the vehicle according to a recent Supreme Court case), and you ALWAYS have the right to remain silent, which includes refusing to ID yourself.
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Originally Posted By AniMaLizTik⏩
so...land of the free. as long as you submit when prompted? nice
The US isn't really a country of laws anymore, the Constitution was forgotten long ago and now they kind of just go with the flow and make it up as they go along.
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Originally Posted By RushEm⏩
im black. no chance im turning my back on him, he might find it aggressive
brah ur in canada not the US lol. black people here are treated better than asian people
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Originally Posted By AniMaLizTik⏩
so...land of the free. as long as you submit when prompted? nice
Talking to someone is now seen as “submitting”?

Once again... stop acting like a try hard ******* and grow up.
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no, not unless he has probably cause to detain you

although sometimes the best move is to just go say whats up and not be a dick

unless the cop is being a dick
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If I'm just walking down the street i talk to him. I dont want to be the ******* that unknowingly sees a guy that just killed a family walk bye and not talk to the police just because " police are bad" 99/100 times interactions with police are no big deal
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Do NOT listen if you're in a 3rd world country. If you're in the US then might as well do what he says.
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Officer must have at least ARS to briefly detain for the purpose of determining if criminal activity is afoot.

Unprovoked flight upon seeing a police officer is a common ARS scenario. Doesn't always have to be illegal per se but would be a good indication that the behavior is linked to illegal activity. The officer must be able to articulate how he developed his ARS.
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Originally Posted By AniMaLizTik⏩
...and you turn your back and walk away. You were not breaking any laws. Does he or she have the authority to detain you by force?

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If you've committed no crime and or are not involved in an investigation in the area then no they can't detain you. If they have articulable facts you're related to an investigation in the area. Say for example similar description or traveling near a certain area then yes you might be detained until they verify your identity and whatever else in which case they'd cut you loose. But if they do have PC or reasonable suspicion and you straight up walk away then that could be considered obstructing or evading police.
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Originally Posted By RonaldMcflurry⏩
According to most Miscers, and the responses that we see in other threads here, the cop would have the right to kill you for that. He was just doing his job and you should have followed his orders and not been a dumbass.

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GTFO with that bullsht. "Stop and identify" only applies if the officer has "reasonable suspicion" that you have committed a crime. It is perfectly legal (although not recommended) and constitutional in the entire US to tell an officer to fuk off if he asks you anything (unless you are driving, in which case you are required to show ID. This does NOT apply to passengers in the vehicle according to a recent Supreme Court case), and you ALWAYS have the right to remain silent, which includes refusing to ID yourself.
Reasonable suspicion is defined as facts or circumstances that would lead an officer to believe a crime has been, is being, or is ABOUT to be committed. A crime doesn't necessarily have to have been committed yet.
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If you hear a cop saying anything its best to get on the ground and cover up your nuts while muttering your rights over and over.
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I don’t think cops are all rational, level-headed people. And could spin it that they thought you were acting suspicious.

I’d just see what he wants and be polite.
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