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post 1576152451 03-19-2019, 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted By Sakeoe⏩
Theoretically no.

But white nationalism is a dumb thing anyway invented by Americans with all kind of different mixed lineages desperate to somehow form a cohesive American nation even though they are not. Just cause you are white doesn't mean you belong to some sort of encompassing nation that involves all whites. An Italian isn't French, and a French isn't German and so on.
Just remember all whites are racist too. French, German, Irish etc, racist is racist.
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So white nationalists want a white country not because whites are superior but because ________ ?
I'll take the bait, western-europeans created the greatest nation(s) in the world, and they opened the gates for EVERYONE to come and be successful. What we have now are generations who complain the game isn't fair and we should change to be more like the ****hole third-world countries that our ancestors came from.

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adjectives are the more dividing terms, thats why lefties add or hide them in news headlines

unarmed man or unarmed black man
nationalist or white nationalist
bombing suspect or brown bombing suspect
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Originally Posted By z4v4⏩
So white nationalists want a white country not because whites are superior but because ________ ?
The same reason as every other group on the planet: self-determination, a continuation of their culture and way of life, and the right to exist as a people. The famous 14 words are: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children." Seems pretty reasonable to me.

It is why the Jews fight for Israel. It is literally why Israel exists as a country today. For the very thing non-Jewish white people are denied. They want their own countries, their own culture, a sense of belonging, an elimination of the constant ethnic rivalries that ruin nations, and an elimination of the non-stop hatred and demonization spewed towards them in their own countries. It is what every group wants.

As I said, you are a genocidal maniac if you believe white people don't deserve those things, but all other groups do.

Why should whites be ethnic minorities ruled over by non-whites in their own homelands and in nations they created? How would African nations react to tens of millions of Chinese storming across their borders and conquering their homelands? We may one day find out.
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Originally Posted By QuitYourCrying⏩
The same reason as every other group on the planet: self-determination, a continuation of their culture and way of life, and the right to exist as a people. The famous 14 words are: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children." Seems pretty reasonable to me.

Why should whites be ethnic minoritiesruled over by non-whites in their own homelands and in nations they created?
Are you American?

It tends to be Americans IME who think that race = ethnicity.

White is a race, not an ethnicity.

French is an ethnicty. English is an ethnicity. Han is an ethnicity. Thai is an ethnicity.

White is a race.

I've noticed that both White and Black Americans seem to have no concept of ethnicity.
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Originally Posted By QuitYourCrying⏩
How would African nations react to tens of millions of Chinese storming across their borders and conquering their homelands? We may one day find out.
10 of millions? That would probably only happen if there was an attempted Military invasion.

The Migrant Crisis in Europe isn't 10s of millions, in case that's what you were attempting to draw an equivalence to.
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
Are you American?

It tends to be Americans IME who think that race = ethnicity.

White is a race, not an ethnicity.

French is an ethnicty. English is an ethnicity. Han is an ethnicity. Thai is an ethnicity.

White is a race.

I've noticed that both White and Black Americans seem to have no concept of ethnicity.
you have a trash understanding of ethnicity

hint: it isn't nationality
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
Are you American?

It tends to be Americans IME who think that race = ethnicity.

White is a race, not an ethnicity.

French is an ethnicty. English is an ethnicity. Han is an ethnicity. Thai is an ethnicity.

White is a race.

I've noticed that both White and Black Americans seem to have no concept of ethnicity.
The fuk. LMAO.

I think I know what you're getting at but you are way off the mark.
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Originally Posted By EmmaW4tson⏩
The fuk. LMAO.

I think I know what you're getting at but you are way off the mark.
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Originally Posted By spatchcock⏩
you have a trash understanding of ethnicity

hint: it isn't nationality
You're wrong people of a certain nationality can also identify as an ethnic group.

"Membership of an ethnic group tends to be defined by a shared cultural heritage, ancestry, origin myth, history, homeland, language or dialect, symbolic systems such as religion, mythology and ritual, cuisine, dressing style, art or physical appearance."
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Originally Posted By kingmanaverage⏩
You're wrong people of a certain nationality can also identify as an ethnic group.

"Membership of an ethnic group tends to be defined by a shared cultural heritage, ancestry, origin myth, history, homeland, language or dialect, symbolic systems such as religion, mythology and ritual, cuisine, dressing style, art or physical appearance."
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Originally Posted By dusky99⏩
It's pretty stupid to think that there's any common identity among "whites". It's more of an American thing. White nationalists however desire to create an ethnostate in which citizenship is restricted to so-called white people only.
right but the problem is, people who dont believe in ethno-states are being labeled as white nationalists. People like Milo, Ben Shapiro and even Jordan Peterson.

The definition for white nationalism in todays leftist mind is anyone white person who also believes in putting your country first and a merit-based immigration system. Thats it. To CNN and Twitter that makes you a White Nationalist. Which in turn, allows them to go ahead and call you a nazi since thats what the term is actually meant to describe.

Its a very deliberate play of words to gain political power by the left. Its a “if a=b and b=c then c must =a” but they are then altering what “a” is when you get to the b=c part of the equation.
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Originally Posted By QuitYourCrying⏩
Obviously not.

Whites are barely 15% of the world's population and dropping fast. Why should they be the only people on the planet without their own nations and without self-determination? You are a genocidal maniac if your position is that all whites should be governed and ruled over by non-whites, even in their own homelands.

It's going to happen one way or the other within our lifetime. Better that it happen relatively peacefully.
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Originally Posted By spatchcock⏩
not even sure how to respond to this, are you fukin retarded or what
No.

What I mean is that that a nationality can also be an ethnicity if there are strong enough differences in culture, history, religion. French and German aren't separate ethnicities since they share s border, and ultimately share a lot in common.

But, you could argue that German and Greek are 2 separate ethnicities despite both being white, since they are quite different in a range of ways (including genealogy).
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Originally Posted By kingmanaverage⏩
No.

What I mean is that that a nationality can also be an ethnicity if there are strong enough differences in culture, history, religion. French and German aren't separate ethnicities since they share s border, and ultimately share a lot in common.

But, you could argue that German and Greek are 2 separate ethnicities despite both being white, since they are quite different in a range of ways (including genealogy).
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Originally Posted By kingmanaverage⏩
You're wrong people of a certain nationality can also identify as an ethnic group.

"Membership of an ethnic group tends to be defined by a shared cultural heritage, ancestry, origin myth, history, homeland, language or dialect, symbolic systems such as religion, mythology and ritual, cuisine, dressing style, art or physical appearance."
so a chinese man moves to america. is he now ethnically black? no, he doesnt share same cultural heritage or ancestry (and probably all the rest). I think you are just completely ignoring the first two requirements.
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Originally Posted By JaxBrah⏩
right but the problem is, people who dont believe in ethno-states are being labeled as white nationalists. People like Milo, Ben Shapiro and even Jordan Peterson.

The definition for white nationalism in todays leftist mind is anyone white person who also believes in putting your country first and a merit-based immigration system. Thats it. To CNN and Twitter that makes you a White Nationalist. Which in turn, allows them to go ahead and call you a nazi since thats what the term is actually meant to describe.

Its a very deliberate play of words to gain political power by the left. Its a “if a=b and b=c then c must =a” but they are then altering what “a” is when you get to the b=c part of the equation.
I don't even know why this would be regarded as "white nationilism" & not just "nationilism", since im sure black, arab, asian & Hispanic citizens would prefer only the best of foreigners coming in via immigration.

Accepting refugees & granting asylum falls in to a different category since the arguement for, is morals.
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Originally Posted By kingmanaverage⏩
No.

What I mean is that that a nationality can also be an ethnicity if there are strong enough differences in culture, history, religion. French and German aren't separate ethnicities since they share s border, and ultimately share a lot in common.

But, you could argue that German and Greek are 2 separate ethnicities despite both being white, since they are quite different in a range of ways (including genealogy).
actually French and German can be two seperate ethnicities according to your very own definition...and history as well as French are considered Gauls and Franks and Germans are Germanic
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Originally Posted By hoganrulz⏩
I don't even know why this would be regarded as "white nationilism" & not just "nationilism", since im sure black, arab, asian & Hispanic citizens would prefer only the best of foreigners coming in via immigration.

Accepting refugees & granting asylum falls in to a different category since the arguement for, is morals.
well as i said, its simply a play on words to demonize their political opponent
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Originally Posted By umop3pisdn⏩
Pls enlighten me on this issue.
To my understanding, a white nationalist (as opposed to a nationalist who happens to be white) is someone who wants to live in an ethnostate, ie someone who wants to live in a country pretty much 100% populated with people of the same race. Since this by definition results in the exclusion of people based on race, it seems like a no brainer to state that this is a racist ideology. The caveat is that it's fine when anyone but white people do it, so there's that.

I'm pretty sure the "Alt-Right" falls under this category, and are generally people who want to live around other white people. There's some nuance here, because we know that for the most part multiculturalism doesn't work/results in strife/mistrust/angst between disparate beliefs/peoples. Recognizing that, and thus wanting to live in a homogeneous society isn't necessarily "wrong", but again it results in racial discrimination. It's not a cut and dry issue.

White Supremacy is simply the belief that white people are superior to other races. Again, it's fine when blacks or other races do it (so sayeth the far left, due to mental gymnastics about "muh historical oppresison" and ****).
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
To my understanding, a white nationalist (as opposed to a nationalist who happens to be white) is someone who wants to live in an ethnostate, ie someone who wants to live in a country pretty much 100% populated with people of the same race. Since this by definition results in the exclusion of people based on race, it seems like a no brainer to state that this is a racist ideology. The caveat is that it's fine when anyone but white people do it, so there's that.

White Supremacy is simply the belief that white people are superior to other races. Again, it's fine when blacks or other races do it (so sayeth the far left, due to mental gymnastics about "muh historical oppresison" and ****).
Man, the mental gymnastics involved to rationalize a euphemism.
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Originally Posted By z4v4⏩
Man, the mental gymnastics involved to rationalize a euphemism.
What mental gymnastics did I employ? I'm not following you. I also revised my post, so you may want to re-read it.
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The problem is history has been hijacked by the leftwing for two hundred years and even longer in regards to translations of older texts by translators with personal agendas. This has distorted what people believe, think, and know about our history. Many of the people’s you think of as “white” were not as white as you think, or didn’t exist, as well as many of the people thought to be black or yellow or brown were very white. Translating incorrectly “clear” or “pure” as white in the modern racial sense or ignoring clear physical descriptions of blonde/red haired and blue eyed are both disturbingly common. Both point to the ridiculous personal agenda driven mentality of historians, philosophers, philologist, etc.

The greater issue is that historically there was no notion of race in the way we have thought of it for the last two hundred years. The idea of nationalism/tribalism was typically based on shared culture (faith, language, dress, mannerism, identity). One of the fascinating things is that 2,500 years ago Greeks, Persians, and Scythians did not talk about each other as different in the racial sense, in fact they spoke of each other as if they all looked the same (in the modern racial sense). The way they talked about each other and differentiated was based on identity and culture. The three did however speak about Celts and Thracians as very fair skinned and Egyptians and Ethiopians as very dark skinned, which was not racial but observable from the general appearance being so different than the Greek, Persian and Scythian standard.

There was no such thing as a blonde haired blue eyed Aryan race, what there was was a very mixed super tribe of different looking tribes (what you would call white, yellow and “off-white” or dark featured white people in today’s parlance) that formed a powerful mobile force that terrorized civilized nations in the Middle East and Eastern Europe for many centuries. There were quite a few very blonde or red haired Turks and Huns raiding China 2,000 years ago. The Slavics were quite blonde and not the dark haired people many imagine historically. But, the most important thing is that these ancients never identified by such a thing as race or skin tone, they identified by tribal and national affiliation.
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
What mental gymnastics did I employ? I'm not following you. I also revised my post, so you may want to re-read it.
I explained it in my post - rationalizing a euphemism.
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Originally Posted By z4v4⏩
I explained it in my post - rationalizing a euphemism.
That's not an explanation. No wonder nobody takes you seriously.
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The ADL actually separates extremist incidents this way but aren't they both inherently racial supremacists killings? Why is one left and one right?"
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I'm a nationalist and I'm white. I am not a white nationalist.

The problem is that the left wing media and the left wing nutjobs will tell you that any white person who is a nationalist is an evil nazi white nationalist and that there is something inherently wrong with being a nationalist. There is not.
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Originally Posted By Retoaded⏩
I'm a nationalist and I'm white. I am not a white nationalist.

The problem is that the left wing media and the left wing nutjobs will tell you that any white person who is a nationalist is an evil nazi white nationalist and that there is something inherently wrong with being a nationalist. There is not.
Translation for the non-English speaking participants in this thread:

He's white, and he loves his country/wants to see the ascendancy of his nation, but does not wish to live in an all-white ethnostate.
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
That's not an explanation. No wonder nobody takes you seriously.
It is an explanation. You're attempting to change the meaning of something by changing the name. Sorry son, but it doesn't work that way. Good job on the weight loss, though, bro.
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Originally Posted By z4v4⏩
It is an explanation.You're attempting to change the meaning of something by changing the name. Sorry son, but it doesn't work that way. Good job on the weight loss, though, bro.
I'm not doing that though. Which word am I attempting to alter the meaning of?



And thanks.
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post 1576158661 03-19-2019, 08:18 AM
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The “supremacy” line is just a red herring to divert attention away from the fact that “white nationalism” is inherently and completely racist.
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