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A good example of what the "natty limit" looks like at low bf%
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Originally Posted By nm1891⏩
They got the black jeans tho lolAt sub 10% bf? Possible, but pretty unlikely, even guys with great genetics tend to look flat when they're super lean as a natty.
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Originally Posted By bobbydigitaloa⏩
Lmao! Great minds think alike.
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05-30-2019, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted By SirTony⏩
Is an Instagram fitness guy the male version of the Instagram model/influencer/thot?If you do Instagram- "natty" doses of vitamin-t and maybe some mild pills, you would play that much russian roulette, especially if you are 30-35 or older.
F'n cringe even harder @ the vanity to stick yourself with needles for that.
05-30-2019, 08:06 AM
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6'0 215lbs (morning weigh in) at 14.6% with visible abs here, life time natty.
Havent tracked my diet in years. Only started following a program in last 6 months. Meaning im far from my limit. That being said ive trained for 13 years on and off and always busted my balls in the gym. Good sleep, good food, low stress, etc.
Most guys here have piss poor genetics or are just lazy af. You can half ass it twice a week for 2-3 years then claim thats your limit.
Havent tracked my diet in years. Only started following a program in last 6 months. Meaning im far from my limit. That being said ive trained for 13 years on and off and always busted my balls in the gym. Good sleep, good food, low stress, etc.
Most guys here have piss poor genetics or are just lazy af. You can half ass it twice a week for 2-3 years then claim thats your limit.
05-30-2019, 08:09 AM
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lol I know this guy. he trains at or used to train at powerflex at montreal... him and his squad are far from natty lol... he might be now, but he definitely wasn't always natty
05-30-2019, 08:10 AM
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He is lanky as fawk and that isnt helping him aesthetically at all but i agree that he is at his peak.
Anyone who has been to a few OCB shows knows. The hard core natural guys are twinky. I mean the dudes that actually take pride in being natural and dont use ant PH, sarms or anything. They are the minority these days.
Anyone who has been to a few OCB shows knows. The hard core natural guys are twinky. I mean the dudes that actually take pride in being natural and dont use ant PH, sarms or anything. They are the minority these days.
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05-30-2019, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted By JoeDelts⏩
This was just an example that you don't need to do crazy pro-bodybuilding dosages, you can do things low- moderately, feel awesome and have your health in check and, still look 100 times better than average natty. Actually many specifically older guys on TRT are a lot healthier then guys who are not because they always do check up, on they blood panels and etc.Is an Instagram fitness guy the male version of the Instagram model/influencer/thot?
F'n cringe even harder @ the vanity to stick yourself with needles for that.
F'n cringe even harder @ the vanity to stick yourself with needles for that.
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I think Eugene Sandow would bea lil bit bigger at his bf%
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Shredded natties look disappointing in pictures or video but in person they seem much bigger.
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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩
what. They always look like twinks irlShredded natties look disappointing in pictures or video but in person they seem much bigger.
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Originally Posted By PowerPal⏩
A really advanced natty? Fuk no they dont.what. They always look like twinks irl
Maybe an average joe natty who barely tries.
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can confirm. I have a buddy who is absolutely anal about eating right and counting every single calorie he puts into his mouth and hits the gym every day without fail. He probably has severe body image issues but he looks almost exactly like this year round.
he's never done anything unhealthy as far as I can tell. doesn't even drink except the occasional tequila neat.
he's never done anything unhealthy as far as I can tell. doesn't even drink except the occasional tequila neat.
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Came in expecting Doug Miller. Leaving with low expectations.
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Originally Posted By lightsarefallin⏩
Me either. Would be nice to see this same post, but at 10-12% BF.And I agree, I don't think I'd want to be that shredded year-round as a natural.
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05-30-2019, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted By SirTony⏩
This is what I call the "low dose cope". It's just a way to rationalize drug use. No different than the guy who rationalizes his addiction to alcohol or any other drug because it hasn't had any serious (read noticeable to him/her) effects on their life. In fact they will say that it has had nothing but positive effects on their life. Exactly what you just did.This was just an example that you don't need to do crazy pro-bodybuilding dosages, you can do things low- moderately, feel awesome and have your health in check and, still look 100 times better than average natty. Actually many specifically older guys on TRT are a lot healthier then guys who are not because they always do check up, on they blood panels and etc.
"Most guys think nothing bad will ever happen to them. But you watch. You'll be seeing more and more serious heart problems, and worse, once these guys hit 40."
– Mike Matarazzo, pro bodybuilder
"Oh but these guys were using massive doses of a cocktail of drugs" you'll say.
The fact is nobody knows how their body, especially their heart will be effected by this stuff.
https://www.t-nation.com/pharma/big-dead-bodybuilders
05-30-2019, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted By JoeDelts⏩
B-But I'm doing it one time I'll never do again after thisThis is what I call the "low dose cope". It's just a way to rationalize drug use. No different than the guy who rationalizes his addiction to alcohol or any other drug because it hasn't had any serious (read noticeable to him/her) effects on their life. In fact they will say that it has had nothing but positive effects on their life. Exactly what you just did.
"Most guys think nothing bad will ever happen to them. But you watch. You'll be seeing more and more serious heart problems, and worse, once these guys hit 40."
– Mike Matarazzo, pro bodybuilder
"Oh but these guys were using massive doses of a cocktail of drugs" you'll say.
The fact is nobody knows how their body, especially their heart will be effected by this stuff.
https://www.t-nation.com/pharma/big-dead-bodybuilders
"Most guys think nothing bad will ever happen to them. But you watch. You'll be seeing more and more serious heart problems, and worse, once these guys hit 40."
– Mike Matarazzo, pro bodybuilder
"Oh but these guys were using massive doses of a cocktail of drugs" you'll say.
The fact is nobody knows how their body, especially their heart will be effected by this stuff.
https://www.t-nation.com/pharma/big-dead-bodybuilders
05-30-2019, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted By Halfway⏩
At what height?Good post OP, came in expecting delusional miscers in denial but there are surprisingly few who are still cucked by fake natties.
I knew a dude did a gram a week of zzyz creatine for a natty contest to be 160ish onstage
I knew a dude did a gram a week of zzyz creatine for a natty contest to be 160ish onstage
05-30-2019, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted By JoeDelts⏩
Some people smoke their whole life and live until 90 and some quit smoking in their 20s and die from lung cancer in their 50s, you just never know. Point being that most guys who take gear do understand the risks, but decide that the risks are outweighed by the positives, at least for themselves. Plenty of logical reasons to stay natty, just like there are plenty of reasons to not drink alcohol, but people do anyway, living as long as possible is not necessarily a primary concern for everyone.This is what I call the "low dose cope". It's just a way to rationalize drug use. No different than the guy who rationalizes his addiction to alcohol or any other drug because it hasn't had any serious (read noticeable to him/her) effects on their life. In fact they will say that it has had nothing but positive effects on their life. Exactly what you just did.
"Most guys think nothing bad will ever happen to them. But you watch. You'll be seeing more and more serious heart problems, and worse, once these guys hit 40."
– Mike Matarazzo, pro bodybuilder
"Oh but these guys were using massive doses of a cocktail of drugs" you'll say.
The fact is nobody knows how their body, especially their heart will be effected by this stuff.
https://www.t-nation.com/pharma/big-dead-bodybuilders
"Most guys think nothing bad will ever happen to them. But you watch. You'll be seeing more and more serious heart problems, and worse, once these guys hit 40."
– Mike Matarazzo, pro bodybuilder
"Oh but these guys were using massive doses of a cocktail of drugs" you'll say.
The fact is nobody knows how their body, especially their heart will be effected by this stuff.
https://www.t-nation.com/pharma/big-dead-bodybuilders
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Originally Posted By JoeDelts⏩
You do realize Matarazzo died because of many things. Creatine, recreational drugs, being 300+ pounds, eating absurd amounts of red meat, soda.This is what I call the "low dose cope". It's just a way to rationalize drug use. No different than the guy who rationalizes his addiction to alcohol or any other drug because it hasn't had any serious (read noticeable to him/her) effects on their life. In fact they will say that it has had nothing but positive effects on their life. Exactly what you just did.
"Most guys think nothing bad will ever happen to them. But you watch. You'll be seeing more and more serious heart problems, and worse, once these guys hit 40."
– Mike Matarazzo, pro bodybuilder
"Oh but these guys were using massive doses of a cocktail of drugs" you'll say.
The fact is nobody knows how their body, especially their heart will be effected by this stuff.
https://www.t-nation.com/pharma/big-dead-bodybuilders
"Most guys think nothing bad will ever happen to them. But you watch. You'll be seeing more and more serious heart problems, and worse, once these guys hit 40."
– Mike Matarazzo, pro bodybuilder
"Oh but these guys were using massive doses of a cocktail of drugs" you'll say.
The fact is nobody knows how their body, especially their heart will be effected by this stuff.
https://www.t-nation.com/pharma/big-dead-bodybuilders
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I admire his commitment but honestly I don't love the super lean striated year round look like this guy and Athlean X have.
I'd rather have a physique like Jeff Nippard or Alphadestiny. Granted they are midgets and can pack on more mass, but they are lean enough but still have lots of muscle and look big in T shirts.
I'd rather have a physique like Jeff Nippard or Alphadestiny. Granted they are midgets and can pack on more mass, but they are lean enough but still have lots of muscle and look big in T shirts.
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bout as natty as natty graham
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Originally Posted By nm1891⏩
All those guys thought it was worth it. Until they were on their death beds dying at an unnaturally young age. Then they probably would have given it all back just to have a few more years with their families, friends, hobbies etc..Some people smoke their whole life and live until 90 and some quit smoking in their 20s and die from lung cancer in their 50s, you just never know. Point being that most guys who take gear do understand the risks, but decide that the risks are outweighed by the positives, at least for themselves. Plenty of logical reasons to stay natty, just like there are plenty of reasons to not drink alcohol, but people do anyway, living as long as possible is not necessarily a primary concern for everyone.
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Yeah but everybody knows (should know) that our natural test levels are far, far below our fathers let alone grandfathers and so on.
Whats cucked is ****gets thinking the way we feel, work and deal with **** is natural. Its not, even guys on trt are pussies compared to their grandfather. Even if your grandfather was a puss we are way more of a puss than our previous gens.
Not that its totally our fault with all the garbage we are forced to buy (whole foods for average wage guys). Its all ****.
That whole boomer term “soy boy” actually means something. Even tho i dont think they know that. Lol
Whats cucked is ****gets thinking the way we feel, work and deal with **** is natural. Its not, even guys on trt are pussies compared to their grandfather. Even if your grandfather was a puss we are way more of a puss than our previous gens.
Not that its totally our fault with all the garbage we are forced to buy (whole foods for average wage guys). Its all ****.
That whole boomer term “soy boy” actually means something. Even tho i dont think they know that. Lol
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