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post 1588979671 10-02-2019, 09:30 AM
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Gotta wonder if everyone is getting tested or if more men than women are tested? Also is the test is actually reliably able to measure overall intelligence vs. learned knowledge or "book smarts"?

Didn't think the bell curve distribution was new information. It might contribute to the "glass ceiling" but it isn't the only thing or likely even the largest factor.

Geniuses in general get bullied way way more than others. Being an outlier on either side of the bell curve is a tougher road.

https://www.verywellfamily.com/how-b...student-460594

It also may be that females present as less intelligent to fit in.

Females have suffered more social pressure to conform for many generations. Women that didn't conform were labeled, outcast, punished...see: whore, slut, witch, etc. For a long time the majority of men were illiterate and for a woman to learn to read was considered unseemly. Men haven't had such restrictive selection pressures applied. Men could act more freely and receive less censure for it.

Heck, a long standing selection bias for meek females may be a part of the supposed trend of males becoming less masculine/lower test.
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Women bleed out a couple IQ points every month.
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Originally Posted By Retoaded⏩
Women bleed out a couple IQ points every month.
Wrong.

But "mommy brain" is real tea...those hormones.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Wrong.
ya don't say
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women have a very narrow iq range. Was looking at some research recently titled "are women too normal".
Extremely low percentage of women reach an iq of 130 but at the same time there are significantly less dumb women than men and very few "retarded" women
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I guess because for centuries whilst men were busy building dumb things like the Pantheon and inventing electricity etc. women were looking after babies and housekeeping - which was a pretty important thing when there were no fridges, modern childcare or Mexican house cleaners.


But now in our more equal, technological society where women don't have babies until they are 35, they can do amazing things too, like gender studies theories and ruining Star Wars.
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Because white males have defined what it means to be a genius!
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I am no WK. So fukc all y'all sloots.

HOWEVER... it's probably a case of men giving a **** about IQ tests far more than women do.

Most people who talk about IQ tests and their scores are dumb aszzes. IQ number is not a very good way to measure genius.
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Originally Posted By CementPizza⏩
I am no WK. So fukc all y'all sloots.

HOWEVER... it's probably a case of men giving a **** about IQ tests far more than women do.

Most people who talk about IQ tests and their scores are dumb aszzes. IQ number is not a very good way to measure genius.
what about the correlation between high iq’s and high test scores on college entrance test like sat, lsat, mcat, gre, act, etc
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Originally Posted By CementPizza⏩
That has nothing to do with genius.

Genius is making connections that no one else has ever made creating something that hasn't been created yet.
You wot m8, pretty sure the consensus on determining if someone is a genius is IQ over X level
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Originally Posted By metafour⏩
This. You see this everywhere. Think back to your school days. The biggest fuk ups were always the boys, but the smartest kids in the school tended to be boys as well. Women outnumber men in higher education for the same reasons, although once again, the top of the class tends to be made up of men.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Gotta wonder if everyone is getting tested or if more men than women are tested? Also is the test is actually reliably able to measure overall intelligence vs. learned knowledge or "book smarts"?

Didn't think the bell curve distribution was new information. It might contribute to the "glass ceiling" but it isn't the only thing or likely even the largest factor.

Geniuses in general get bullied way way more than others. Being an outlier on either side of the bell curve is a tougher road.

https://www.verywellfamily.com/how-b...student-460594

It also may be that females present as less intelligent to fit in.

Females have suffered more social pressure to conform for many generations. Women that didn't conform were labeled, outcast, punished...see: whore, slut, witch, etc. For a long time the majority of men were illiterate and for a woman to learn to read was considered unseemly. Men haven't had such restrictive selection pressures applied. Men could act more freely and receive less censure for it.

Heck, a long standing selection bias for meek females may be a part of the supposed trend of males becoming less masculine/lower test.
women are more agreeable too, so theyre more likely to be complacent than fight for higher pay/position
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I'd honestly like to know the distribution by location.
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There's kinda two problems I have here.

1. The IQ test sucks. Look up the Flynn effect: how the average IQ flew up in the late 20th century then has started tracking back down again. Miscers ITT are using it to draw evo-psych arguments about what men and women were like 100,000 years ago, how the fuk can you draw that conclusion from a test that can't even remain stable for 60.



2. Like other posters ITT, I wonder how many women are taking these tests. Most of the studies I've seen are like Norway army conscription chit where they make every incoming draftee take the test. But googling it, all their draftees were men until 2015 (gotta love Scandinavian liberalism - not only is putting women in the army a great idea, it's so good we're gonnadraftthem in there...). And women give literally zero fuks about their IQ score, while certain insecure autists on Reddit/Quora are quite worried about it. So I'm wondering if there's some selection bias going on.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
No it isn't. That's EQ. And most high IQ people have very low EQ.

I would venture a guess that women generally have higher EQ.

Also , a good question would be , why are women only a low percentage of autistic people too?
because the fact women have two
X chromosomes that cancel out mutations that men don’t because they have a y that doesn’t cancel it out, also why more men have axis one disorders
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Originally Posted By JoshSP1985⏩
You wot m8, pretty sure the consensus on determining if someone is a genius is IQ over X level
"Smart" or "genius" are subjective terms, but I agree with CementPizza and wouldn't define it merely in terms of IQ. Many of the people whom I consider actual geniuses- the leading and most productive mathematicians and scientists etc out there, never seem to care about (and even mock) the notion of IQ. While you have internet wizards who staunchly stand by their IQ 145 scores and praise IQ all day (which essentially, is a test continuing kindergarten pattern-recognition type questions, and has nothing of the complexity and abstractness found in, for example, long chains of logical deduction in math), I don't consider this camp to be geniuses. But again, this is just me: what it means to be a genius, if this even has meaning at all, is different from person to person.

Edit: I'm convinced the sole purpose of IQ [at the upper side of the spectrum] is to give people who have never contributed anything of note, a means to say they are "smart". I'm sure the lower side of the IQ spectrum has actual uses in psychology/neuropsychiatry in identifying mental handicap etc.. But the upper side? Not so much.
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Originally Posted By JoshSP1985⏩
You wot m8, pretty sure the consensus on determining if someone is a genius is IQ over X level
No. I know that there is a category on that scale that says "genius" but in no way shape or form means the person is a genius.

Geniuses are folks like
Mozart
Van Gogh
Sir Issac newton
Aristotle
Bach
Paul McCartney
Jimi Hendrix
Michael Angelo
Davinci
Shakespear
Einstien
The Wright Brothers
Marconi
Nicola Tesla
Henry Darger
Mark Twain
Ben Franklin
Andy Warhol


Some are science types some are not.
Often the people with the highest "IQ" contribute the least.
Not always but often.
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Women have only recently gotten some freedom in civilized society, it's 1000 years too early to discuss this topic objectively.

Also genius is about unique recognized contribution to a field of study, ahead of years of dedication by others.
It takes especially unique creativity and independence of thought. You can't determine a genius by IQ if they
haven't done anything worthwhile.

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Originally Posted By CementPizza⏩
No. I know that there is a category on that scale that says "genius" but in no way shape or form means the person is a genius.

Geniuses are folks like
Mozart
Van Gogh
Sir Issac newton
Aristotle
Bach
Paul McCartney
Jimi Hendrix
Michael Angelo
Davinci
Shakespear
Einstien
The Wright Brothers
Marconi
Nicola Tesla
Henry Darger
Mark Twain
Ben Franklin
Andy Warhol


Some are science types some are not.
Often the people with the highest "IQ" contribute the least.
Not always but often.
Something I find funny is when people try to extrapolate IQ onto these types of historical figures- like that link on the first page was doing with the notable females from history. No, Isaac Newton never took an IQ test lol, saying he had such and such IQ is meaningless babble. His works though such as the Principia, his capacity for mechanical invention, and incredible creativity and productivity in math and science speak for themselves. Who cares about IQ. No, even Albert Einstein was never known to have taken an IQ test, although you see constant headlines in the news "12 year old girl surpasses Einstein's IQ". Well, Einstein didn't really have an IQ, so this is meaningless, lol.
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Okay, listen here *******s and I’m going to learn you on it. It’s beause the standard of deviation from the mean for men is higher than it is for women. It’s because of the natural reproductive function of women wanting to mate with only the strongest male, so the chances of a male mutating into super smart fuark is higher. If he was smart, he’d get all the ladies, who are all relatively baseline, but would get his enhanced genes.

The chances that a man is also a complete retard is also just as high though. That’s just how it works
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Originally Posted By Jacobcapra⏩
Yeah but, why?
The primary theory is that the double XXs protect against abnormalities and mutations.

The Males only have 1 X so a mutations are more likely to be expressed.
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Originally Posted By farmergainsbrah⏩
Okay, listen here *******s and I’m going to learn you on it. It’s beause the standard of deviation from the mean for men is higher than it is for women. It’s because of the natural reproductive function of women wanting to mate with only the strongest male, so the chances of a male mutating into super smart fuark is higher. If he was smart, he’d get all the ladies, who are all relatively baseline, but would get his enhanced genes.

The chances that a man is also a complete retard is also just as high though. That’s just how it works
Yea, i agree. The answer is always gonna come down to nature vs. Nurture though

Which that argument goes on forever with little progress
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Originally Posted By CementPizza⏩
1. Women are naturally more social than men. Their energy goes into that. It's great because it helps maintain the community.
2. Men are more aggressive. This bleeds into their drive to sink their into something and not let go. (Talent is a measure of your level of interest. Genius is a measure of how hard you work.) ... and a few other factors.
3. Men are explorers and hunters. Women are nesters.
4. Women have a maternal instinct that cripples them but helps the community. Men don't.
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The bigger question is... why are 48.7% of statistics made up out of thin air?
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No worries OP. Because it's the current year and if you want to identify as a genius you're free to do so.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Gotta wonder if everyone is getting tested or if more men than women are tested? Also is the test is actually reliably able to measure overall intelligence vs. learned knowledge or "book smarts"?

Didn't think the bell curve distribution was new information. It might contribute to the "glass ceiling" but it isn't the only thing or likely even the largest factor.

Geniuses in general get bullied way way more than others. Being an outlier on either side of the bell curve is a tougher road.

https://www.verywellfamily.com/how-b...student-460594

It also may be that females present as less intelligent to fit in.

Females have suffered more social pressure to conform for many generations. Women that didn't conform were labeled, outcast, punished...see: whore, slut, witch, etc. For a long time the majority of men were illiterate and for a woman to learn to read was considered unseemly. Men haven't had such restrictive selection pressures applied. Men could act more freely and receive less censure for it.

Heck, a long standing selection bias for meek females may be a part of the supposed trend of males becoming less masculine/lower test.
As long as the sample is high enough for both sexes it doesn't matter. The median is the same for both but the Standard Deviation is higher for males resulting in the tails being wider.

IQ tests don't measure book smarts, but ability to take know variables and extrapolate the knowns to the unknowns. Basically your ability to figure things out.

A basic education (elementary) and reading comprehension is required to max your few extra points.
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Originally Posted By Austanian⏩
As long as the sample is high enough for both sexes it doesn't matter. The median is the same for both but the Standard Deviation is higher for males resulting in the tails being wider.

IQ tests don't measure book smarts, but ability to take know variables and extrapolate the knowns to the unknowns. Basically your ability to figure things out.

A basic education (elementary) and reading comprehension is required to max your few extra points.
Yea but theres no doubt in my mind that children in america would test higher than children in africa

Further, i would bet that american education and curriculum lends itself toward iq tests more than african. I would also bet that the more you take the test, the higher your iq. How do you measure whether or not someone has been previously exposed to the types of question on the iq test? How do you know whether or not someone was previously exposed throughout their life to a line of thinking present in the iq test? If someone takes an iq test 5 times is only their 5th time counted?
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Most of the "geniuses" in history have been dudes who didn't have to work 40+ hrs a week and could sleep half the day, then devote every waking hour to their craft/research. Modern day equivalents of NEETs. Let that sink in
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Originally Posted By Jacobcapra⏩
Genius is NOT a measure of how hard you work.
Yes it is. I also said "and a few other factors"
But hard work is the main ingredient. People become so into what they are doing the hours they put into is prime mover for the genius mode.
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Originally Posted By quadfecta⏩
Most of the "geniuses" in history have been dudes who didn't have to work 40+ hrs a week and could sleep half the day, then devote every waking hour to their craft/research. Modern day equivalents of NEETs. Let that sink in
They were NEETmaxxing before it was a thing.
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