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post 1611547671 07-24-2020, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted By Coal
There's people who combed the entire area with sonar and found nothing. Nessie is a super popular myth, clearly there can't just be one monster, it has to be a population. You're telling me that after decades there hasn't been a single piece of evidence or footage of this thing's existence?
Probably hid in the tunnels under the Loch to avoid detection. Nessie is certainly a wiley one.
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩
I absolutely believe in the existence of the Loch Ness Monster... so to me, there is definitely some other large creatures lurking in the depths of the Ocean, undiscovered.
How do you suppose a small ecosystem supports a giant lake monster?


The ocean intrigues me but I think it's unlikely we'll find any large undiscovered creatures.

I'm not sure how easy it is for them to grow huge really deep down. Doesn't water pressure limit them? Like the biggest would be a colossal squid which is essentially water and squishy membranes.

There's definitely tonnes of booky chit in the deep deep though. That's where the real aliens are
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Originally Posted By 2am⏩
How do you suppose a small ecosystem supports a giant lake monster
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post 1611547851 07-24-2020, 11:46 AM
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post 1611548001 07-24-2020, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted By Coal
The shark lived in warm waters closer to the shore. They couldn't survive in the cool depths. Around the time of their extinction, the oceans cooled significantly and this led to a rapid decline in their population. Additionally, their food sources either declined or migrated into waters they couldn't follow, and for the remaining food sources they were out-competed by Great Whites. Finally, in order to sustain a healthy population, there must be a certain threshold of healthy breeding adults. If a community did exist, they would have been spotted in the shallow waters which they lived. We would have caught them. We would have seen evidence from carcasses of whales and other animals they ate. These things were massive and ate an absolute fuk ton. There would be evidence of this.

Even if somehow you made the argument that they developed the ability to move to extremely deep hidden waters, there would still need to be a massive food source to sustain a community of thousands. The deeper you go, the less sunlight that penetrates the water coupled with the extremely high pressures ensures that type of food source doesn't exist down there. Not to mention how sparse of life the oceans are now due to overfishing and pollution. They 100% don't exist anymore. Only the smaller mostly blind sea creatures can survive down there.
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩
Probably hid in the tunnels under the Loch to avoid detection. Nessie is certainly a wiley one.
So Nessie is one immortal monster that has survived for millions of years alone? If not there would have to be hundreds or thousands of them at least.
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I 100% believe there’s plenty of creatures we have no clue about down there. I haven’t googled it to search for answers but how the hell does any small or large creature survive in pressure that comes from those depths. Blows my mind.
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Originally Posted By Coal
So Nessie is one immortal monster that has survived for millions of years alone? If not there would have to be hundreds or thousands of them at least.
Yup. Surely would be a lonely existence. Poor thing
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post 1611548471 07-24-2020, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩
Yup. Surely would be a lonely existence. Poor thing
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post 1611548571 07-24-2020, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted By 2am⏩
Probably an incel to boot
Lol, At least he has the good grace to stay away from schools tbh
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post 1611548651 07-24-2020, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted By InVentive44⏩
But who has Giant Humboldt squid
So out of everything I said, you had to nitpick the last line. Sure, there are squids that live deep down and sperm whales like to dive down too. I was talking about the deepest depths where there is no food for big animals to survive. Only smaller animals would live that far down. Giant squid need to come closer to the survace to hunt prey that's big enough.
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Originally Posted By EagleOfWar⏩
I 100% believe there’s plenty of creatures we have no clue about down there. I haven’t googled it to search for answers but how the hell does any small or large creature survive in pressure that comes from those depths. Blows my mind.
Plenty of creatures, sure. Just not giant ones.
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Originally Posted By BigElephant⏩
I definitely think there are species down there that we don't know about/haven't discovered yet. No Atlantis though lol.
Honestly, without hard data, I believe that the waters have risen and fallen many times. Look how in Italy they found basically a city underwater. Not hard to believe Atlantis.




https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/...%20the%20waves.

. After the city remains were emptied, the water level slowly rose due to the same volcanic vents that were once a draw to the area, and most of the ancient ruins were drowned under the shallow waters of the bay.
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Undiscovered fish for sure.

Dinos i highly doubt it but who knows hence why they call it the unknown
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Originally Posted By Coal
Plenty of creatures, sure. Just not giant ones.
Yeah I watched a docu that says there must at least be a few hundreds for a colony of Nessie to thrive.

But believers said those sonar cannot really get proper readings on deeper portions + as mentioned, some caves. I just want to believe.

I just hope there are some monsters down there in the ocean. Maybe not as big as a blue whale, but large enough for it to be awesome!
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Originally Posted By 2am⏩
How do you suppose a small ecosystem supports a giant lake monster?


The ocean intrigues me but I think it's unlikely we'll find any large undiscovered creatures.

I'm not sure how easy it is for them to grow huge really deep down. Doesn't water pressure limit them? Like the biggest would be a colossal squid which is essentially water and squishy membranes.

There's definitely tonnes of booky chit in the deep deep though. That's where the real aliens are


That's pretty deep for whales, but then you have giant squids and other creatures we have no idea about.
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Yes and no.

The giant Sqiuids found were like 30ft.+, they might reach nearly twice that size, if genetic analysis is right.
We never had a full body until a couple of years ago, but some bodyparts.

Something of similar size probably would have some bodyparts found as well. That still leaves room for smaller but still rather enormous creatures.
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Originally Posted By ChristmasFnatic⏩
Yeah I watched a docu that says there must at least be a few hundreds for a colony of Nessie to thrive.

But believers said those sonar cannot really get proper readings on deeper portions + as mentioned, some caves. I just want to believe.

I just hope there are some monsters down there in the ocean. Maybe not as big as a blue whale, but large enough for it to be awesome!
Yeah at least a few hundred individuals. And remember, what people always seem to forget is the food source. Loch just doesn't have the food source to supply hundreds or thousands of big dinos.

Fortunately for us, blue whale is extremely likely the biggest animals that ever existed, it's not even close, and are still here today for us to mire. There's a bunch of math at play here but it has been proven that the blue whale is at the upper limit of size that an animal can achieve:
Well, the scaling relationship between basal metabolic rate (BMR) and mass (M) has long been thought to have been expressed by a simple scaling power-law, where:

BMR ∝ Mk

(Where k is usually taken as 2/3 or 3/4)


In essence, this means as you increasingly become larger as an organism, the energy requirements required to sustain you increase at a rate beyond which you can keep up with. In other words, after a certain point, having an enormous body size becomes prohibitively expensive (your metabolic rate per unit mass becomes too low, or heat generated by the energy required to sustain you would cook you from the inside) and you just can't do it.

We can calculate this point, and it turns out modern blue whales are only just underneath it. For an animal to become much larger than a blue whale, it'd have to adopt a fundamentally different sort of physiology - one that's, perhaps, not at all conducive to the sorts of life histories an animal can adopt (i.e. being a big tree, or a super network of underground fungi).

So yup, warm-blooded beasties the size of a blue whale are about as big as they can come. Nothing in the fossil record comes (or could have) come close
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Originally Posted By Coal
Yeah at least a few hundred individuals. And remember, what people always seem to forget is the food source. Loch just doesn't have the food source to supply hundreds or thousands of big dinos.

Fortunately for us, blue whale is extremely likely the biggest animals that ever existed, it's not even close, and are still here today for us to mire. There's a bunch of math at play here but it has been proven that the blue whale is at the upper limit of size that an animal can achieve:
Does this take into account changes in earths climate? different Gas levels, food sources, water temps, ect? For instance, the blue whale maybe our big boi now, but maybe his grandpa was snorting creatine and ADHD meds straight from the earths core.
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It's not 'think.' There ARE thousands if not millions of undiscovered creatures in the ocean. We are finding new ones all the time and new species are being created by nature daily (mutation/adapation etc.) I think they say we've only discovered about 15% of the entire ocean and we are no where near being able to get down below where there are estimated millions of creates/life we have never discovered. Whether or not there is a Megalodon or dinosaur type animals that have survived is another question, but i do believe there are some dinosaur type animals living below we've never seen. They say sharks/turtles etc are all basically dinosaur animals that have survived (although evolved to be much smaller).
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Originally Posted By MyLastSerenade⏩
Does this take into account changes in earths climate? different Gas levels, food sources, water temps, ect?
These things don't affect the BMR to mass ratio. Any bigger than the blue whale and the heat provided by metabolic process would cook you from the inside.
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Originally Posted By PenorBrahNoHomo⏩
But who was The Bloop?
Large chunk of ice breaking from an under water glacier.
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I 100% believe megalodon's still exist. I will bump this thread when they are re-discovered and proven to be alive to show up all the megalodon denier's
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Originally Posted By EoR⏩
No more giants.
I agree, no more giants.
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I 100% believe megalodon's still exist. I will bump this thread when they are re-discovered and proven to be alive to show up all the megalodon denier's
Can you refute any of my points earlier as to why it's impossible or are you just a huge Meg fan wishing on pixies and rainbows?
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