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post 1612558701 08-04-2020, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted By Witherman⏩
what kind of jobs are you tards working?

I happily show my W2 - if they can afford me I'll entertain a conversation. If not - best of luck in your search for a candidate.

Maybe its a sales thing?
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Originally Posted By soaponarope1⏩
Any time I'm asked for my current salary I just say whatever number it would take me to leave my current job. Let's say I was making 50k and would want 65k to leave, I'd tell them I currently make 65k (provided that's market-ish rates for the job). It basically sets it up so they have to meet that or beat it, either way I win. If they ask for pay stubs it wouldn't be somewhere I'd want to work anyway.

I've been asked the question twice, both times did the above and got offers above what I lied about making, so it does work.
You gotta be careful if anyone follows this advice. Since I put my two weeks notice they usually ask for paystubs after I've already quit. So you need to ask them if you can provide them ahead of time unless you want to gamble that they won't be asking.
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Originally Posted By AccountingMajor⏩
The current salary history ban law does require them to provide a band range for the job if you request one, but good luck getting the job afterwards tho


4 interviews was the most I had for a single mediocre paying job. That should be illegal. Complete waste of time.
Yeah, that's what I don't like. Some employers actually think it's a bad thing if you ask. All people want to know is if they'll be able to afford to live or whether they'll end up living in their car.

4 interviews. Holy chit. How pointless is that.

I would do it for lolz and then reject the offer if it comes.
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Originally Posted By soaponarope1⏩
Any time I'm asked for my current salary I just say whatever number it would take me to leave my current job. Let's say I was making 50k and would want 65k to leave, I'd tell them I currently make 65k (provided that's market-ish rates for the job). It basically sets it up so they have to meet that or beat it, either way I win. If they ask for pay stubs it wouldn't be somewhere I'd want to work anyway.

I've been asked the question twice, both times did the above and got offers above what I lied about making, so it does work.
This to a T.

Always inflate your current salary and then they go above the inflated number you mentioned. I imagine most employers know this game but it works well nonetheless.
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Wait... people actually tell new potential employers their salary at previous jobs? LMFAO if you don't lie and say you made more so you get more out of your new company. Wouldn't be making over 107k if I told the truth over the last 14 years. Few years back I was making 57k and told a new company I was making 75k so they offered 78k lololol. Feel bad for the tards who can't make it happen
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post 1612560031 08-04-2020, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted By JPG13⏩
This to a T.

Always inflate your current salary and then they go above the inflated number you mentioned. I imagine most employers know this game but it works well nonetheless.
Yes, now with the law that's what people can do now. I don't know why anyone would not throw out a higher number unless you are entry level.

Interviews become a joke after a few years of experience. It's just when you are a recent graduate that they're terrible because you can't prove you know how to work.

I remember early in when I showed them my high ass GPA and they just said "lol anyone can get high grades if they tried."

"K retard so isn't my GPA proving that I take my **** seriously"

"No it's not real work experience, real life is much harder than school"

Real life has been a joke so far compared to school.
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Originally Posted By Witherman⏩
what kind of jobs are you tards working?

I happily show my W2 - if they can afford me I'll entertain a conversation. If not - best of luck in your search for a candidate.

Maybe its a sales thing?
I think a lot of it is age and experience.

If you don't have much experience, you have a near zero barganing power. The first time applying for a proper job was horrific. Employers try to exploit you.

The second time was much easier and had the balls to try and negotiate and ended up with a few companies to choose from.
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[QUOTE=DesiredUser****;1612559881]Wait... people actually tell new potential employers their salary at previous jobs? LMFAO if you don't lie and say you made more so you get more out of your new company. Wouldn't be making over 107k if I told the truth over the last 14 years[/QUOTE

It mostly affects people early in their career who took low pay for experience and it sticks around.
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Donโ€™t see the issue

Now companies canโ€™t figure out on their own how to lowball people

Theyโ€™ll just make an offer based on the job and applicant
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to everybody says "lie", das it mane. It's almost like a test. Those who are totally honest unfortunately are the ones who don't know how to play the game and loose their position to negotiate. Unfortunately it penalizes those who are either too honest to lie, or are too afraid to challenge the request for information. Consider this the first offer in salary negotiation. We know that you NEVER give the first offer as you loose the upper hand right off the bat.
post 1612561141 08-04-2020, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted By NextPound⏩
The sad reality is you are talking about an internship. Thatโ€™s not a real salaried job. That said, I was able to negotiate a $3k a month stipend for an internship that normally pays $0. Again, everything is negotiable and the sooner you learn that the better off you will be in life. I am not telling you this to be a jerk, I am telling you this because it will help you a ton in your career. Learn to negotiate well, itโ€™s not only to get cash it will help you move up the food chain faster.
I'm just saying now I can bargain way easier after this was passed.
post 1612561341 08-04-2020, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted By Vhagar⏩
Donโ€™t see the issue

Now companies canโ€™t figure out on their own how to lowball people

Theyโ€™ll just make an offer based on the job and applicant
won't make a huge difference. At the end of the day they already have a maximum figure they would pay for the position. They'll ask you what are you're salary demands are instead. If you the #1 candidate and demand something lower than their max, they'll agree and you'll get hired. If you're the #1 candidate and you ask for too much, they'll simply negotiate down and if you don't agree, they'll move to applicant #2.

Doesn't really change the game, salary negotiation and the way the game is played just changes a bit.
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Originally Posted By Vhagar⏩
Donโ€™t see the issue

Now companies canโ€™t figure out on their own how to lowball people

Theyโ€™ll just make an offer based on the job and applicant
One company I applied to had a band for $50K-$70

I applied and they asked my history.

Then they only offered $40K as it was "a healthy increase from what I currently got paid and it's a very competitive wage if you consider the benefits"

The benefits are exactly the same for all the companies I worked for. I don't take into account benefits anymore. Yes, the $900 i pay into insurance is totally gonna make me think about rejecting a $10K raise
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Asking salary history gives employers 2 pieces of information.

1. Can they afford you
2. what other companies are paying for that position.

#1 saves both you and company time and resources. #2 helps the company realize their position with the competition.
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Originally Posted By litljay⏩
Asking salary history gives employers 2 pieces of information.

1. Can they afford you
2. what other companies are paying for that position.

#1 saves both you and company time and resources. #2 helps the company realize their position with the competition.
Regarding #1 they can avoid candidates who cost more than expected by just stating the salary in the job ad

$50k-70k

That solves everything

Unlike staff accountant: Wage: Competitive
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As someone who does a lot of hiring, I can tell you that every bit of information I can get about you will help determine what you are going to get for a salary offer. If I know what your salary history is, you have zero leverage in a negotiation. I wouldn't ask, but I would ask what your salary expectations are.
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Originally Posted By Drew23⏩
As someone who does a lot of hiring, I can tell you that every bit of information I can get about you will help determine what you are going to get for a salary offer. If I know what your salary history is, you have zero leverage in a negotiation. I wouldn't ask, but I would ask what your salary expectations are.
That's what I'm thinking, but fat misc is telling me it's good for businesses to know everyone's salary history if they ask for it.
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The reason they're doing this is to try to correct the gender wage gap. Which the real reason for is because women in the past took time off to raise kids. Although it was fun to go out drinking with coworkers and such, I'm really glad I don't work in a company anymore. My salary is strictly a product of my own negotiations.
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Originally Posted By OliverHeldens⏩
The reason they're doing this is to try to correct the gender wage gap. Which the real reason for is because women in the past took time off to raise kids. Although it was fun to go out drinking with coworkers and such, I'm really glad I don't work in a company anymore. My salary is strictly a product of my own negotiations.
I don't care about the wage gap reason or "helping minorities" reason. I feel like anything that passes will hurt them anyways since people will find new reasons.

This ban did help me though. Young college educated with work experience looking for higher pay. Finally broke the pay due to salary history.
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Originally Posted By Drew23⏩
As someone who does a lot of hiring, I can tell you that every bit of information I can get about you will help determine what you are going to get for a salary offer. If I know what your salary history is, you have zero leverage in a negotiation. I wouldn't ask, but I would ask what your salary expectations are.
Yes, all this does is start the negotiation a different way. In professional white collar hiring i never expect an honest answer when asking what their current salary is. Then again I never ask it as a hiring manager. Doesn't mean a companies HR/recruiting department doesn't though.

If people want "fair" equality of outcome then you'll be capped in terms of earnings and go off some union defined pay schedule. I always tell young people who like unions " if we go union I can't pay you you're worth. If you're a superstar I can't pay you more. You just have to put in time and you only get to make that big money after 20-30 years".
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Originally Posted By DarthCholo⏩
Yes, all this does is start the negotiation a different way. In professional white collar hiring i never expect an honest answer when asking what their current salary is. Then again I never ask it as a hiring manager. Doesn't mean a companies HR/recruiting department doesn't though.

If people want "fair" equality of outcome then you'll be capped in terms of earnings and go off some union defined pay schedule. I always tell young people who like unions " if we go union I can't pay you you're worth. If you're a superstar I can't pay you more. You just have to put in time and you only get to make that big money after 20-30 years".
I wouldn't support a union as of now because I get paid more than market rate. Maybe temp workers can unionize since they get paid pretty bad.
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Originally Posted By AccountingMajor⏩
You gotta be careful if anyone follows this advice. Since I put my two weeks notice they usually ask for paystubs after I've already quit. So you need to ask them if you can provide them ahead of time unless you want to gamble that they won't be asking.
You shouldn't put in any notice until you've signed your employment contract. If a job requires references before a formal contract you can get a signed offer of employment contingent upon references.

Aa signed employment contract gives you some legal leverage for damages if you leave your current employer and your new employer doesn't fulfill their end of the deal provided you don't fail the 'contingent upon' part of the contract. It's business not friendship, always leave yourself with the legal high-ground and don't be scared to walk away if they don't accept your terms. If they want you they'll accept, or it isn't somewhere you want to work.
A written or oral offer becomes a contract when a prospective employee accepts the offer. The employer is obligated to stick to the contract terms or be liable for contract damages.
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Originally Posted By SuperHercules⏩
Glad I quit wageslaving long ago

lol at companies being secretive about their own pay while wanting to know your history and how much you expect to earn
Originally Posted By Nicklol⏩
kind of dumb tbh..

brb: "what was your salary at your previous job"
me : about 3.50

brb: "hmm, how about I offer you 3.75

why is it relevant?
I came here for a chance at a better life and an improvement. I dont want a similar salary, I want way more or else I wouldnt have quit previous job

or when the job ad has a salary range and they offer you the absolute minimum end of it
fuk off scum
Originally Posted By chrsschb⏩
It's a good thing. I've never shared my salary anyways.
Originally Posted By BalkanPrince⏩
Good, corporate America is too much of a sneaky snake as is.
Fuked up that this is a thing in the US.

This would only ensure incremental improvements to your salary, as I'm sure companies would cap an advancement at just above inflation, if anything, and I'm pretty sure it would lead to people just jumping from job to job with enough salary history to make it worth it.

Some policies/laws are completely retarded, and it's insane to think that they had to place a ban on this practice, as if it wasn't already common sense.
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Originally Posted By whitepaper⏩
This would only ensure incremental improvements to your salary, as I'm sure companies would cap an advancement at just above inflation, if anything, and I'm pretty sure it would lead to people just jumping from job to job with enough salary history to make it worth it.
Thai is exactly what happens because then they say that BS that I'll repeat again.

"Your 2% raise is very healthy for this market. Maybe if you ask your supervisor's supervisor how to get to the next level, then you'll get another competitive raise."

Then you do that and just get a 5% raise. Woop deee doo
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dont know anything about it but I do know that CA rarely does things for the benfit of the majority. They tend to do thing because of how itshould be and not what is the best way to tackle a problem
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Originally Posted By tank2003⏩
dont know anything about it but I do know that CA rarely does things for the benfit of the majority. They tend to do thing because of how itshould be and not what is the best way to tackle a problem
Ain't that the truth, that's why I'll be leaving in the near future.
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Originally Posted By DesiredUser****⏩
Wait... people actually tell new potential employers their salary at previous jobs? LMFAO if you don't lie and say you made more so you get more out of your new company. Wouldn't be making over 107k if I told the truth over the last 14 years. Few years back I was making 57k and told a new company I was making 75k so they offered 78k lololol. Feel bad for the tards who can't make it happen
they're called women
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The one sided salary game companies play is bullchit.

BRB we already have a salary band in mind.

BRB no we can't tell you what it is.

BRB give us your number first or this interview can't move forward.

BRB no, we want all the cards inourhand.

CA is a cuckified state and every state representative should be hung from a lamppost for trying to convince 5yo kids that they're little girls trapped in a boy's body.... that being said, anything that takes ammo away from the employer in this stupid fukkin game is a net positive IMO.
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so basically people will be banned from lying about salary history to get big wage bumps to better match their actual worth.
this will ultimately lead in less job mobility, and give more leverage to employers over the long-run.

Good job cuck state.
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If you have in demand skills and a company really wants you, then you have leverage and can determine the pay rate. EVERYTHING is negotiable, and there are no max salaries if they want you bad enough.

I have been in a negotiating position of power before where I had all the leverage (company REALLY wanted me, I had another very strong offer from a competing firm). I kept refusing their offers, they kept escalating up, tried having senior people talk to me, and basically tore up the offer and had me dictate the new price. (first offer was 175k, got it bumped up to 250k). Still never took the job, but it was the first time I really had leverage and the difference was astounding. Previous jobs I interviewed for I didn't have leverage (needed the job bad) and I could barely get them to up above 120k.

You only have leverage if you are 100% willing to walk away - if a company senses you need this job....its game over boyo
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