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post 1612550401 08-04-2020, 09:25 AM
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Salary History Ban

So now how do people feel about this law that has been in effect in CA? Interested to hear people say why this is bad because I honestly can't think of any reason other than blind anger.

The only thing I am getting from people is that they disagree with it because liberals agree with it.

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post 1612550561 08-04-2020, 09:26 AM
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can you explain a little bit about what this means for us non-CAcels?
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Requesting job applicants’ salary histories has been a pretty common practice for employers over the years. Recruiters and hiring managers often use this knowledge to exclude people from the candidate pool, either because the applicant is “too expensive” or their previous salary is so low, hiring managers think the person is poorly qualified or inexperienced.

Businesses have also used previous salary information to calculate new hire compensation—a process that can perpetuate pay disparity between women and men. To address this inequality, several states and municipalities have enacted bans on asking for previous salary information, although laws vary in terms, scope and applicability.
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Originally Posted By RaibeartBruis⏩
Requesting job applicants’ salary histories has been a pretty common practice for employers over the years. Recruiters and hiring managers often use this knowledge to exclude people from the candidate pool, either because the applicant is “too expensive” or their previous salary is so low, hiring managers think the person is poorly qualified or inexperienced.

Businesses have also used previous salary information to calculate new hire compensation—a process that can perpetuate pay disparity between women and men. To address this inequality, several states and municipalities have enacted bans on asking for previous salary information, although laws vary in terms, scope and applicability.
Tricky subject to be honest. Salary ranges vary so wildly for the exact same job due to region/company/city/rural etc.

With that said there is a ton of salary information regarding ranges/averages etc online so you should know pretty easily if you're under paid and be working toward negotiating your salary to a appropriate level if it's not.
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post 1612551921 08-04-2020, 09:40 AM
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kind of dumb tbh..

brb: "what was your salary at your previous job"
me : about 3.50

brb: "hmm, how about I offer you 3.75

why is it relevant?
I came here for a chance at a better life and an improvement. I dont want a similar salary, I want way more or else I wouldnt have quit previous job

or when the job ad has a salary range and they offer you the absolute minimum end of it
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post 1612551981 08-04-2020, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted By MetroBrah⏩
can you explain a little bit about what this means for us non-CAcels?
Sorry, I forget that I live in third world commiefornia, and many laws that they pass don't make sense.

A salary history ban legit just means an employer cannot ask: "What's your salary history?"

That's it. It forces them to ask what are your salary expectations which is honestly easier to answer. Ask high and they can negotiate down.

Before I was getting turned down from market rate jobs because I had a $12 internship and they were wanting me to take a full time job for $14. They said bs like "oh it's a 16% raise. that's quite healthy for someone with your experience" even though it's just due to one of my early jobs.
post 1612552051 08-04-2020, 09:42 AM
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I have never been asked (or asked - I sit on interview panels) "What is your current salary?"

The question (if it even comes up) is: "What are your remuneration expectations?"
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Originally Posted By JoshSP1985⏩
Tricky subject to be honest. Salary ranges vary so wildly for the exact same job due to region/company/city/rural etc.

With that said there is a ton of salary information regarding ranges/averages etc online so you should know pretty easily if you're under paid and be working toward negotiating your salary to a appropriate level if it's not.
I would just compare the salary to my bills to see how much I'm saving.
post 1612552501 08-04-2020, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted By Aristotelian⏩
I have never been asked (or asked - I sit on interview panels) "What is your current salary?"

The question (if it even comes up) is: "What are your remuneration expectations?"
The only time I wasn't asked was when I was desperate and using Robert Half. But that's because they do it all behind the scenes without the applicant.

Every job I have always been asked and at these two "veteran owned" businesses I was asked over the phone and the initial email about what's my salary history.

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It's a good thing. I've never shared my salary anyways.
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post 1612552581 08-04-2020, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
With the added context in the thread, 100% this.

If I was ever asked that question I would laugh in their faces and ask if they were serious about hiring someone.
Well yea after the salary ban, that's how it is now.
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Been a long time since I’ve been asked what my current salary is. The few times it has been asked in the interview (usually by HR), I have never answered the question. I always tell them “my expectations for compensation is ___”.

Most recent interviews they always just asked what I’m aiming to get.
They said she's gone too far this time

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Good, corporate America is too much of a sneaky snake as is.
post 1612552991 08-04-2020, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted By NextPound⏩
He is right. The only thing that matters is the salary someone is willing to accept to take the job, and this works for both sides.

Do you think the employer is going to say our budget is this, but because you made more we will pay you more?

This is just to try to protect people who are too weak to negotiate. Sorry, but negotiating is part of any job change process.
Did you miss that many jobs also just post how much they are willing to pay? Companies do sometimes say what they are willing to pay.

Not really weak per se. Just people who took a lower salary (like I did when trying to get my 1st real job).

Many internships are not negotiable. And they only offer $ amounts here (like $12, $14, $16 per hour) unless you are going big 4 then it's different.
post 1612553021 08-04-2020, 09:51 AM
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Why would it even matter? Every company you would ever work for already has a range they pay people to do specific jobs from. If you prove you are better than just entry they might bump you into the middle or upper part of the range.
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This is a good thing. Also, even if I get asked, I'll just lie and say I'm making more than I am. Because they will often try and base your new salary on a bit higher than what you were previously making.
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Originally Posted By ScramFranklin⏩
This is a good thing. Also, even if I get asked, I'll just lie and say I'm making more than I am. Because they will often try and base your new salary on a bit higher than what you were previously making.
Not sure if you'll get away with it. They usually check you W2, paystub, or get your prior employers phone# to verify prior salary.

However after the salary history ban, now it's illegal and they can't do that. All they can do is verify that you worked there.
post 1612554261 08-04-2020, 10:07 AM
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Also want to add that I talked to prior supervisor about this, and they also say that they disagree with it because the better candidates will take a lower wage to prove themselves. But this coming from a guy who doesn't know how to print a PDF...
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Originally Posted By AccountingMajor⏩
Also want to add that I talked to prior supervisor about this, and they also say that they disagree with it because the better candidates will take a lower wage to prove themselves.But this coming from a guy who doesn't know how to print a PDF...
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post 1612554981 08-04-2020, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted By JoshSP1985⏩
Lmao boomers
Sorry, I was leaning more towards he was incompetent.
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LOL I don't give out my salary information. Even if the company is below my range the interview experience and connections can be useful down the line.
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More government resources fed into a law where people could just voluntarily refuse to share their salary history with the recruiter.
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I always expected people to lie. Just lie and say you got paid what you want to be paid in your new role. I know many who did.

If you wanna be truthfull:Employers are always telling you to keep your pay confidential. So perhaps I'd say like with something, "in this day in age confidentiality is important and i'm not comfortable sharing my salary with 3rd parties. I'm looking for something over 150K. "
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Originally Posted By AccountingMajor⏩
Not sure if you'll get away with it. They usually check you W2, paystub, or get your prior employers phone# to verify prior salary.

However after the salary history ban, now it's illegal and they can't do that. All they can do is verify that you worked there.
I don't think they can looks at your W-2's, and your former employee is usually just allowed to say how long you worked there. I have NEVER heard of a potential employer asking for a W-2 or asking a former employer what you make (by the time they call to check employment, you have an offer). But I have been asked in interviews and job applications.
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Originally Posted By NextPound⏩
Didn’t miss it. If you don’t think everything is negotiable, I have bad news for you.
I know it's not true in practice. 2nd internship was only $12. I could have rejected but work experience is more important when you don't have a full time jobs because lots of places don't consider it "real experience" even though they were harder than what I do now.

"I have this and this skills working in the corporate HQ of a publicly traded company, I am looking for $20/hr"

"I'm sorry but this internship is only for $12 and is not negotiable"

And that's basically how I took a **** $12 internship.
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Originally Posted By ScramFranklin⏩
I don't think they can looks at your W-2's, and your former employee is usually just allowed to say how long you worked there. I have NEVER heard of a potential employer asking for a W-2 or asking a former employer what you make (by the time they call to check employment, you have an offer). But I have been asked in interviews and job applications.
I'm just sharing what I've been told to provide in the past. I don't agree with it either. Glad they made that **** illegal. Now just report them once you get it in writing and get paid damages.
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Been asked this many times when I was applying for my first "proper job".

Obviously my previous salaries were terrible. I told them the truth but made it clear that I expected better pay for more responsibilty. I'm terrible at negotiating though.

What should be illegal is them refusing to give you their salary expectations from the outset. Should be on every job add.

Brb sitting some test, brb interview, brb second interview, brb terrible offer you couldn't afford to live on. "We won't negotiate as we feel this is competitive".
Days of wasted time. Should be able to sue them for it semi srs.
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Originally Posted By MattBro95⏩
Been asked this many times when I was applying for my first "proper job".

Obviously my previous salaries were terrible. I told them the truth but made it clear that I expected better pay for more responsibilty. I'm terrible at negotiating though.

What should be illegal is them refusing to give you their salary expectations from the outset. Should be on every job add.

Brb sitting some test, brb interview, brb second interview, brb terrible offer you couldn't afford to live on. "We won't negotiate as we feel this is competitive".
Days of wasted time. Should be able to sue them for it semi srs.
The current salary history ban law does require them to provide a band range for the job if you request one, but good luck getting the job afterwards tho


4 interviews was the most I had for a single mediocre paying job. That should be illegal. Complete waste of time.
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what kind of jobs are you tards working?

I happily show my W2 - if they can afford me I'll entertain a conversation. If not - best of luck in your search for a candidate.

Maybe its a sales thing?
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Any time I'm asked for my current salary I just say whatever number it would take me to leave my current job. Let's say I was making 50k and would want 65k to leave, I'd tell them I currently make 65k (provided that's market-ish rates for the job). It basically sets it up so they have to meet that or beat it, either way I win. If they ask for pay stubs it wouldn't be somewhere I'd want to work anyway.

I've been asked the question twice, both times did the above and got offers above what I lied about making, so it does work.
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