Should I go above my professor and challenge this?

08-23-2020, 12:58 PM

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attendance policies are fukking stupid. I learned more from google than from hour long lectures that teach to the lowest IQ individuals. None of my higher level classes had an attendance policy, it was always the 100+ person classes where you had a clicker and people would just give their clicker to a friend so they'd get credit for attending.
People learn at different paces, I hated having to sit there and listen to people ask questions that were fukking obvious to me

08-23-2020, 12:59 PM

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hahahahah OP, good laugh.

08-23-2020, 01:14 PM

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>age 28
>still in school
>arguing with a professor over a single tardy/absence

u wot m8

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08-23-2020, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted By KathleenRyan⏩

>age 28
>still in school
>arguing with a professor over a single tardy/absence

u wot m8

stfu kathleen, you a tranny or what?

08-23-2020, 01:42 PM

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Imagine being graded based on attendance and thinking you're actually in a real program.

08-23-2020, 01:44 PM

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U accidentally fuked up. Now own the consequences. Ur prof is teaching u responsibility. Personally, I would be more lax. You come to class if you want and get the grade u get. Attendance is bullshyt. Homework is bullshyt as well because u can just cheat. I'd make 100% of your grade difficult exams with both an in class and take home portion that is too hard for the average retard to google. And someone like you would definitely fail because you're sloppy.

08-23-2020, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted By MiscMathematician⏩

Part of teaching is to provide structure and a classroom environment. I give groupwork, if a student doesn't show then the group is at a disadvantage. Less attendance is less morale for the classroom as a whole. Maybe try to be a little empathetic for your fellow classmateswho want to interact and learn(not just to get a piece of paper after 4 years) and the instructor who is trying to have an interactive and supportive learning environment.

Surely by now you have discovered it makes zero difference what you do, right? Good students will try and bad students won't. Your job is to just explain to people who want to be there. Those who choose not to participate or be there are not going to be saved by group work and attendance. All they do is slow everyone else down.

A bad student in class is worse than no student at all. I dispute your notion that a small class destroys morale. I have taught seminars of under 5 students as well as been in a course with only 4 people and it was great.

08-23-2020, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted By wincel⏩

U accidentally fuked up. Now own the consequences. Ur prof is teaching u responsibility. Personally, I would be more lax. You come to class if you want and get the grade u get. Attendance is bullshyt. Homework is bullshyt as well because u can just cheat. I'd make 100% of your grade difficult exams with both an in class and take home portion that is too hard for the average retard to google. And someone like you would definitely fail because you're sloppy.

the point is to teach to make sure the students understand the concepts

it's not a challenge to alienate or weed out people to assuage your ego

08-23-2020, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted By propreffered7⏩

the point is to teach to make sure the students understand the concepts

it's not a challenge to alienate or weed out people to assuage your ego

Have you ever taught people? It's not like Hollywood. There are students who literally have no interest in being there and are actively a detriment to the class. Spare me your lecture about ego. The goal is to reach the kids who care. The rest can suck a dick. I'm always happy to help anyone who puts the effort in. And if I saw they were trying, I'd be happy to bump their grade up a bit. But you aren't there to hold hands and teach adults discipline. They have to WANT to learn.

And yes, contrary to what you might have been told, part of the purpose of university courses is to weed out people. The program must certify expert knowledge and competence in a subject. If they just let everyone through without standards, well...that's how you get a lot of the bullshyt u see today.

08-23-2020, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted By MiscMathematician⏩

and for the % final grade which is groupwork (part of the point of the course) or attendance , you are already sitting at a disadvantage foryourfeelings. you'd probably object to holding or attending meetings at work too. imagine you have your own company and only 20% of them want to go. I'm sure you'd keep the rest on payroll.

Firstly, group work is lame. One person does most of the work.
Secondly, none of my group work ever required classroom attendance, it was mostly done outside of class.

08-23-2020, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted By TheScapeGOAT⏩

Cliffs:
-Class has mandatory attendance withtwo free passes
-OP uses two free passesearlier in semester to go on vacationearly and come back late

>school during semester, pass
>vacation during semester, fail

pick one *******

prof was nice enough to give you two free passes for times you need it, such as missing an alarm, which you chose to use up to go on a vacation during the semester.

prof when op goes begging for mercy with no leg to stand on:

08-23-2020, 02:18 PM

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So wait accidents are fine and it's only bad to miss class if you purposely do it?

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08-23-2020, 02:25 PM

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Agree with Wincel almost completely for once...
Grades are based on effort and aptitude, homework, papers, projects, are mainly effort based because you can fuking google 1/2 the chit, or you can pay someone to do the work.
Tests are usually bases on aptitude because at that point you either know it or not. You can't fake knowledge at that point
As a smart but not very social individual I hated those teacher pets type, the people who always went to office hours, put in a chit ton of effort to learning something that was basic to me. Calc 1/2 is a great example. So many people had no clue what was going on, but passed because they had their hand held by the professor through every lesson, meanwhile I could cram for a week and learn it all.

08-23-2020, 02:37 PM

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Ask the professor if there is anything academically you can do related to the class in order to make up for the absence.

08-23-2020, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted By jonmcd46⏩

Agree with Wincel almost completely for once...
Grades are based on effort and aptitude, homework, papers, projects, are mainly effort based because you can fuking google 1/2 the chit, or you can pay someone to do the work.
Tests are usually bases on aptitude because at that point you either know it or not. You can't fake knowledge at that point
As a smart but not very social individual I hated those teacher pets type, the people who always went to office hours, put in a chit ton of effort to learning something that was basic to me. Calc 1/2 is a great example. So many people had no clue what was going on, but passed because they had their hand held by the professor through every lesson, meanwhile I could cram for a week and learn it all.

One thing is teacher's pet is usually also the best student. Those kids who spend a lot of time asking questions probably were better at the subject than you.

Also, while it is trivial to pass or even ace calc 1 and 2, I would encourage you to further study both the rigorous development of calculus (taught as advanced calculus or real analysis) and the generalization to calculus on manifolds. There is a lot more conceptually going on than what you are presented in calc 1 and 2. Ever wonder what a real number truly is and what it actually means to take a limit? Ever wonder how you would do calculus and geometry in an arbitrary coordinate system or on a curved higher dimensional surface? There's more beneath the surface worth exploring...A LOT more.

08-23-2020, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted By wincel⏩

One thing is teacher's pet is usually also the best student. Those kids who spend a lot of time asking questions probably were better at the subject than you.

Also, while it is trivial to pass or even ace calc 1 and 2, I would encourage you to further study both the rigorous development of calculus (taught as advanced calculus or real analysis) and the generalization to calculus on manifolds. There is a lot more conceptually going on than what you are presented in calc 1 and 2. Ever wonder what a real number truly is and what it actually means to take a limit? Ever wonder how you would do calculus and geometry in an arbitrary coordinate system or on a curved higher dimensional surface? There's more beneath the surface worth exploring...A LOT more.

I got a BS in Math with a minor in Actuarial Science with little effort, I realize how difficult it is to prove basic stuff like Algebra, or Calc
From my experience the teachers pets were not the most intelligent, they were just dick suckers trying to get a good grade because they had no clue what was going on.
Idk when you went to college, or where but it kinda blows my mind that you try to act like you're so intellectually superior even tho I'm agreeing with you 100%

08-23-2020, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted By jonmcd46⏩

I got a BS in Math with a minor in Actuarial Science with little effort, I realize how difficult it is to prove basic stuff like Algebra, or Calc
From my experience the teachers pets were not the most intelligent, they were just dick suckers trying to get a good grade because they had no clue what was going on.
Idk when you went to college, or where but it kinda blows my mind that you try to act like you're so intellectually superior even tho I'm agreeing with you 100%

I'm not trying to be a dick. Just saying that acing calculus doesn't mean shyt so don't just assume you know everything about the subject lol. Some of those kids who asked questions may have been legitimately exploring more careful details.

08-23-2020, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted By p100⏩

I absolutely fuking hate attendance policy at college. This is bullsht that is actually a GOVT rule. Because so many people are failing to pay back student loans the govt has decided this is due to lack of classroom attendance.

Absolute fking bullsht.

We already get raped by the govt caused inflated cost and now we don't even get to choose our attendance, for a class WE PAID FOR. If anything the school shouldn't get any say whatsoever if we show up or not. Just give us the test and be thankful we are taking loans to pay for this stupid sht.

Fuk the college scam
Fuk greedy college professors who are worthless pieces of sht
Fuk inflated ego professors

I have a doctorate so this isn't some tradie tirade. I will perfectly happy if my kids are tradies.

fuk you too

If you used a loan for college then you didn't actually pay for college until you fully pay off the loan.

The rules intended are to protect the loaner from losing money. I'm surprised you dont understand this already. Is your doctorate in art or philosophy?