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post 1623421561 11-22-2020, 09:15 PM
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Is the role of the government to kill its citizens?
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Well I think it's too soft.

Think about it. "Eye for an eye" doesn't even come to play because you're usually trading an innocent, law -abiding life for a criminal, evil life. Both lives aren't even close to the same value objectively and for society.

Life in prison depends on the prison. People who say "Life in prison is worse" well I can assure you when given the choice people will choose to still live. People can live a full life and even enjoy a top rank in prison society. Imagine someone you loved getting raped, tortured and murdered while the culprit sits in some high ranking prison gang for the rest of their life?

It's not even an issue anymore, we have criminals getting out in under 15 years for committing cold-blooded murders. lol @ having any sympathy, we're going BACKWARDS with criminal punishment now. Look at Canada and California. Even look at countries where you can get harsher penalties for speaking out against covid then beating the fuk out of someone.

Beyond a doubt, yes. Yes no system is perfect and over the course of decades you will have innocents sentenced but with current technology I feel it's extremely accurate enough to have innocent cases down to nearly zero. People getting falsely sentenced is my only concern, but when it's beyond doubt, death is too lenient because you cannot get back what life they took.
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post 1623421831 11-22-2020, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted By ErnieMccracken⏩
In theory, yes. In practice, it:

1. Doesn't deter crime
2. Costs more than imprisoning someone for life
3. The government sometimes kills the wrong guy
4. Has been turned into a big money grab like everything else about the justice system
Number 1 and 2 contradicts each other.

You state it doesn't deter crime, but do you know why it costs more to give out the death penalty than it is for life?Because the murderers don't want to be put to death.The fact is death is a deterrent because death is the ultimate punishment. That is why 99% of murderers try to avoid the death penalty.
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post 1623421901 11-22-2020, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted By Kiefer
Is the role of the government to kill its citizens?
Yes.

Next question?
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post 1623422561 11-22-2020, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4⏩
Number 1 and 2 contradicts each other.

You state it doesn't deter crime, but do you know why it costs more to give out the death penalty than it is for life?Because the murderers don't want to be put to death.The fact is death is a deterrent because death is the ultimate punishment. That is why 99% of murderers try to avoid the death penalty.
You're doing mental gymnastics. It is a fact that the death penalty doesn't deter crime. Most people don't think they'll be caught when they commit a crime, and they for damn sure aren't thinking they'll get the death penalty. It does nothing for deterring anything. That being said, it should be used more and not take forever. Bring back ol' sparky, too.
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post 1623423241 11-22-2020, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted By Lunatic⏩
You're doing mental gymnastics. It is a fact that the death penalty doesn't deter crime. Most people don't think they'll be caught when they commit a crime, and they for damn sure aren't thinking they'll get the death penalty. It does nothing for deterring anything. That being said, it should be used more and not take forever. Bring back ol' sparky, too.
Then why do 99% of murderers want to avoid the death penalty?

Death is always a deterrent. People can be forced to live in sequester. But we avoid death in every possible. The Holocaust was bad because the Germans started to gas people - not simply for locking them up. Death is always much worse.
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post 1623423461 11-22-2020, 09:39 PM
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YEa, in certain cases...where you KNOW someone committed the crime and not just being convicted.
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post 1623424441 11-22-2020, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4⏩
Number 1 and 2 contradicts each other.

You state it doesn't deter crime, but do you know why it costs more to give out the death penalty than it is for life?Because the murderers don't want to be put to death.The fact is death is a deterrent because death is the ultimate punishment. That is why 99% of murderers try to avoid the death penalty.
Murderers don't ever think "I'm probably going to get caught and would much rather do life in prison than receive the death penalty."

That's not logic that they use, which is why there is 0% discernable difference in crime rates. Texas kills more inmates than a lot of western countries and there is no shortage of murder happening there.
post 1623424511 11-22-2020, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4⏩
Then why do 99% of murderers want to avoid the death penalty?

Death is always a deterrent. People can be forced to live in sequester. But we avoid death in every possible. The Holocaust was bad because the Germans started to gas people - not simply for locking them up. Death is always much worse.
You for real?


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It does not deter people from committing crimes. This isn't debatable. You're either trolling or you have no idea how deterrents work.
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post 1623424631 11-22-2020, 09:52 PM
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We need more of it srs. But only when there is overwhelming evidence and we're 100% sure they're guilty
post 1623424681 11-22-2020, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted By Fozzy13⏩
YEa, in certain cases...where you KNOW someone committed the crime and not just being convicted.
That implies that you're ok with people rotting in a concrete closet for their entire life as long as you'repretty surethey did it.
post 1623425441 11-22-2020, 10:03 PM
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Government sanctioned murder?

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Originally Posted By ErnieMccracken⏩
In theory, yes. In practice, it:

1. Doesn't deter crime
2. Costs more than imprisoning someone for life
3. The government sometimes kills the wrong guy
4. Has been turned into a big money grab like everything else about the justice system
How can 1 bullet to the head cost more than 20+ years of feeding and housing someone?
post 1623434091 11-23-2020, 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted By ShanghaiSpecial⏩
How can 1 bullet to the head cost more than 20+ years of feeding and housing someone?
Because you have to be sure you are killing the right guy, so they pay a small army of legal workers over the span of 20 years.

And even after a bunch of appeals, the government STILL fukks it up sometimes. It's not worth it. Let them rot.
post 1623434191 11-23-2020, 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted By CougarP01⏩
If there is 100% certainty a person committed a crime worth the punishment, then there is 100% chance I am for it.
This. If even an inkling of doubt. No state murder.

Should be public livestreaming.
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post 1623434351 11-23-2020, 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted By ErnieMccracken⏩
Because you have to be sure you are killing the right guy, so they pay a small army of legal workers over the span of 20 years.

And even after a bunch of appeals, the government STILL fukks it up sometimes. It's not worth it. Let them rot.
But they're just a clump of cells.
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post 1623434431 11-23-2020, 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
But they're just a clump of cells.
Abortion has tremendous economic benefits to society. The death penalty has no real tangible benefits.
post 1623434591 11-23-2020, 12:23 AM
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Requires a legit jurisdiction system.


Death penalty could be easily abused.
post 1623435141 11-23-2020, 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted By ErnieMccracken⏩
Abortion has tremendous economic benefits to society. The death penalty has no real tangible benefits.
I know right. Gotta get them black babies killed to benefit society. Plus who needs vengeance? It's hardly justice due to the expense.
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post 1623435311 11-23-2020, 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
I know right. Gotta get them black babies killed to benefit society. Plus who needs vengeance? It's hardly justice due to the expense.
I don't care what color they are. Aborting unwanted children has been proven to have a hugely positive impact on overall crime rates. The death penalty has ZERO impact.

And no, I don't think government administered killing because "muh vengeance" is a good justification for a process with no actual measurable benefit. Leave that to chithole countries.
post 1623435391 11-23-2020, 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted By ErnieMccracken⏩
Because you have to be sure you are killing the right guy, so they pay a small army of legal workers over the span of 20 years.

And even after a bunch of appeals, the government STILL fukks it up sometimes. It's not worth it. Let them rot.
I am only death / life sentence when the evidence proves guilt without reasonable doubt.

In which case there would not need to be any appeals as all precautions and objections and evidence were taken into consideration to arrive at a guilty verdict.

Hell no for my tax dollars going to feeding and housing criminals.
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No, not really. I mean, I have no sympathy for those who get it. I'm not going to protest it or anything, just not effective to me. I say, keep them alive but make them wish they were dead.
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Originally Posted By ShanghaiSpecial⏩
I am only death / life sentence when the evidence proves guilt without reasonable doubt.

In which case there would not need to be any appeals as all precautions and objections and evidence were taken into consideration to arrive at a guilty verdict.

Hell no for my tax dollars going to feeding and housing criminals.
You have clearly never been selected for jury duty if you think the opinion of 12 random retarts off the street is infallible. I was on a jury once and at least 4 of the other jurors were semi-literate house plants.
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Originally Posted By ErnieMccracken⏩
I don't care what color they are. Aborting unwanted children has been proven to have a hugely positive impact on overall crime rates. The death penalty has ZERO impact.

And no, I don't think government administered killing because "muh vengeance" is a good justification for a process with no actual measurable benefit. Leave that to chithole countries.
You liberals are the strangest and the most twisting flippers of dishonestly to get to your point of few.

Brb genocide is cool for black babies because it makes my country better while rapist murders behead children but shouldn't pay with death.

You are a literal racist cancer to society.
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
You liberals are the strangest and the most twisting flippers of dishonestly to get to your point of few.

Brb genocide is cool for black babies because it makes my country better while rapist murders behead children but shouldn't pay with death.

You are a literal racist cancer to society.
As a conservative (as in an actual conservative with an actual professional background in finance and economics), I am BIGLY against wasteful government spending. Spending many millions on a program that delivers nothing is an insta cut for me. Taxpayer money saved.

And I don't care if you call abortion genocide or try to override logic with whatever emotional appeal you can drum up. We are a country in decline with multiple failing public systems already and cannot afford the luxury of MILLIONS of unwanted children. Again, as a conservative, this is called budgeting.

You want to spend hundreds of millions on the death penalty and billions+ more on unwanted children when, as a country, our finances are already completely fukked. So you can miss me with the identity politics gas lighting.
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Originally Posted By ErnieMccracken⏩
You have clearly never been selected for jury duty if you think the opinion of 12 random retarts off the street is infallible. I was on a jury once and at least 4 of the other jurors were semi-literate house plants.
Don't even need a jury, either there is proof or their insn't.

Example 1: Find Sally's dead body cut up and stuffed in a freezer at John's house. (lives alone)

Proof of guilt.

Example 2: A witness said he saw what he believed to be a man resembling John arguing with Sally in a parking lot the day Sally goes missing to never be seen again.

Not proof of guilt.
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I'm theoretically for the death penalty and frankly I think it should be used far more widely than it currently is. First offense child molestation should be a capital offense for example. Three strike violent criminals should have it on the table at sentencing as well.

But the fact of the matter is that the to ensure it is done justly-- that is, with minimal risk of an innocent man being killed-- requires the absolutely absurd appellate system we have in place in America and that results in guys sitting on Death Row for 10+ years clogging up the courts with their *******y appeals that have no chance of success.

I think it's a tricky question, but I think it should be on the table, even if it's not used that often. Basically how it is nowadays.
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Would you like the people in Congress to hold the right to decide whether you live or die based on the laws they end up writing?
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Originally Posted By TomWanks⏩
I'm theoretically for the death penalty and frankly I think it should be used far more widely than it currently is. First offense child molestation should be a capital offense for example. Three strike violent criminals should have it on the table at sentencing as well.

But the fact of the matter is that the to ensure it is done justly-- that is, with minimal risk of an innocent man being killed-- requires the absolutely absurd appellate system we have in place in America and that results in guys sitting on Death Row for 10+ years clogging up the courts with their *******y appeals that have no chance of success.

I think it's a tricky question, but I think it should be on the table, even if it's not used that often. Basically how it is nowadays.
There shouldn't even be prisons. Why should people be forced to pay to feed and house criminals?

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Assault with a deadly weapon = Death
Assault with the intention to inflict severe bodily harm = Death
Selling drugs = Death
Driving drunk = Death
Rape = Castration
Theft = Hand removed
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Originally Posted By ShanghaiSpecial⏩
There shouldn't even be prisons. Why should people be forced to pay to feed and house criminals?

Kill someone = Death
Assault with a deadly weapon = Death
Assault with the intention to inflict severe bodily harm = Death
Selling drugs = Death
Driving drunk = Death
Rape = Castration
Theft = Hand removed
Possession of drugs for personal use = Mandatory rehab
Red = All of the above
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