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Asymptomatic spread is not the same as pre-symptomatic spread StupidAsPhuck. People like you and dumb kunt on video are the reason they're having to go into lockdown again.
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Originally Posted By CrimsonSteel
"Everyone should commit suicide together so no one catches COVID and dies!"

It's not quite that extreme yet. Pretty damn close, though. People treat the virus like a vengeful deity and worship at the alter of safety protocol. But it's all just an excuse to boss people around and act superior. People absolutely obsessed with COVID and bossing each other around to get shots and wear masks are as insufferable as the BLM *******s who try to frame every fart sneeze and cough as racist because they are so lacking in personality and individualism.
Pretty sure people have already asked for euthanasia because the idea of another lockdown was pointless at their old age.
Originally Posted By aranadiscoteca
My main worry is this end, if they announce another full lockdown the airlines may cancel flights as no one is supposed to leave at all.

Honestly you should stay in Mexico. Don't come here.
Maybe thats what the tier 5 i read about entails. That would be fukd. I'm completely over the fear-mongering bs.

I hear you on the stay in mexico part, but I love the gf. Also I'm a simple person and as long as I can run on the beach I'm solid. I'm buying dip/pullup bar station as well to maintain the gains, and I get to live rent free for 5 months.
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Originally Posted By CougarP01
Maybe thats what the tier 5 i read about entails. That would be fukd. I'm completely over the fear-mongering bs.

I hear you on the stay in mexico part, but I love the gf. Also I'm a simple person and as long as I can run on the beach I'm solid. I'm buying dip/pullup bar station as well to maintain the gains, and I get to live rent free for 5 months.
Fly your gf out to Mexico, srs it would be better for the both of you.

You won't be living you'll be existing here.
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Hmm what happened to UK misc roasting aussies for being cucked by the government or w/e?

lol
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I was supposed to be in Sweden staying with relatives for a while, I couldn’t even leave the country smh. Sad!
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Originally Posted By janglingjack
I used to travel to London frequently for business, now been told there is no chance of me getting there before June. Feelsbadman, it's a great city.

Though brexit is going to severely fuk the UK economy lol.
Brexit doesn’t matter anymore. By the time this is over there’ll be no economy to speak of.
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tier 5 is coming in January

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Saturday 6pm it will be announced
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Originally Posted By jamesfrancis1
Asymptomatic spread is not the same as pre-symptomatic spread StupidAsPhuck.
Addressed in the paper I posted, I'm guessing you didn't bother reading it. This is a meta-analysis...


"To study the transmissibility of asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 index cases, eFigure 8 in the Supplement summarizes 27 studies19-21,23-26,30,32-34,44,45,47,50,52-54,56,59-61,63,64,68,69,72 reporting household secondary attack rates from symptomatic index cases and 4 studies26,43,44,52 from asymptomatic or presymptomatic index cases. Estimated mean household secondary attack rate from symptomatic index cases (18.0%; 95% CI, 14.2%-22.1%) was significantly higher than from asymptomatic or presymptomatic index cases (0.7%; 95% CI, 0%-4.9%; P < .001), although there were few studies in the latter group. These findings are consistent with other household studies28,70 reporting asymptomatic index cases as having limited role in household transmission.

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https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2774102


I'm not claiming that the 2 studies that I posted are the final word on the subject. The meta-analysis limitations are also discussed in the link.
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RIP to the UK.

Sounds like the shills in charge over there are using this "new" strain as an excuse to clamp down on everyone.

In b4 several "new" strains pop up and eventually you all end up in lockdown prison camps...semi srs.
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Originally Posted By AWillis
tier 5 is coming in January

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Saturday 6pm it will be announced
Heard this, whats next?
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Originally Posted By AWillis
tier 5 is coming in January

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Saturday 6pm it will be announced
That started out as a phuckin meme on Twitter!

Phuck me! What else could that do to us?!

Police gonna start beating us with sticks India style?
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck
Addressed in the paper I posted, I'm guessing you didn't bother reading it. This is a meta-analysis...


"To study the transmissibility of asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 index cases, eFigure 8 in the Supplement summarizes 27 studies19-21,23-26,30,32-34,44,45,47,50,52-54,56,59-61,63,64,68,69,72 reporting household secondary attack rates from symptomatic index cases and 4 studies26,43,44,52 from asymptomatic or presymptomatic index cases. Estimated mean household secondary attack rate from symptomatic index cases (18.0%; 95% CI, 14.2%-22.1%) was significantly higher than from asymptomatic or presymptomatic index cases (0.7%; 95% CI, 0%-4.9%; P < .001), although there were few studies in the latter group. These findings are consistent with other household studies28,70 reporting asymptomatic index cases as having limited role in household transmission.

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https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2774102


I'm not claiming that the 2 studies that I posted are the final word on the subject. The meta-analysis limitations are also discussed in the link.
Your own paper:

". However, presymptomatic transmission does occur, with some studies reporting the timing of peak infectiousness at approximately the period of symptom onset"


BRB no symptoms, no mask, visit grandma/grandpa, OOPS had coughing/sneezing attack that appeared out of nowhere. Person thinks it's ok because it was
just minor cold symptoms and couldn't possibly be COVID...Grandma/grandpa in hospital or dead few days later. I've seen this happen to several families that I know.

I have no respect for anti-maskers. It's literally such an easy thing to put on a mask when you are meeting people outside of your circle.
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lol @ people who wear masks then a face shield over it in that video
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Originally Posted By WHChampion
lol @ people who wear masks then a face shield over it in that video
What's to LOL about retard? they could be living with someone that is high risk.
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Originally Posted By jamesfrancis1
Your own paper:

". However, presymptomatic transmission does occur, with some studies reporting the timing of peak infectiousness at approximately the period of symptom onset"
Yes, and the listed the rate in the quote I just posted, taken from 27 studies examined...

0%-4.9%

Please go back and re-read my quote. I literally bolded and underlined it so you could see.
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Originally Posted By jamesfrancis1
BRB no symptoms, no mask, visit grandma/grandpa,OOPS had coughing/sneezing attack that appeared out of nowhere. Person thinks it's ok becauseit was
just minor cold symptoms
and couldn't possibly be COVID...Grandma/grandpa in hospital or dead few days later. I've seen this happen to several families that I know.
They are symptomatic then!

Not presymptomatic or asymptomatic. You are literally describing someone with symptoms!
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Originally Posted By jamesfrancis1
What's to LOL about retard? they could be living with someone that is high risk.
high risk of living with a brainlet
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck
They are symptomatic then!

Not presymptomatic or asymptomatic. You are literally describing someone with symptoms!
Yea, and the viral load is highest right before symptoms appear. How did the Karen at the store know she isn't presymptomatic? There is literally no way to tell.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0869-5

Abstract
We report temporal patterns of viral shedding in 94 patients with laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 and modeled COVID-19 infectiousness profiles from a separate sample of 77 infector–infectee transmission pairs. We observed the highest viral load in throat swabs at the time of symptom onset, and inferred that infectiousness peaked on or before symptom onset. We estimated that 44% (95% confidence interval, 30–57%) of secondary cases were infected during the index cases’ presymptomatic stage, in settings with substantial household clustering, active case finding and quarantine outside the home. Disease control measures should be adjusted to account for probable substantial presymptomatic transmission.
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i think the government are running out of lies to give people hope during this chit,
with peoples lives and business going down the chitter im amazed we havent seen mass protests yet,
the government can't enforce the rules and yet people still are stuck at home,
crazy
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Originally Posted By jamesfrancis1
Yea, and the viral load is highest right before symptoms appear. How did the Karen at the store know she isn't presymptomatic? There is literally no way to tell.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0869-5

Abstract
We report temporal patterns of viral shedding in 94 patients with laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 and modeled COVID-19 infectiousness profiles from a separate sample of 77 infector–infectee transmission pairs. We observed the highest viral load in throat swabs at the time of symptom onset, and inferred that infectiousness peaked on or before symptom onset. We estimated that 44% (95% confidence interval, 30–57%) of secondary cases were infected during the index cases’ presymptomatic stage, in settings with substantial household clustering, active case finding and quarantine outside the home. Disease control measures should be adjusted to account for probable substantial presymptomatic transmission.
OK, like the meta analysis says 0-4.9% transmission rate for presymptomatic people across 27 studies, not cause for shutting down the economy and destroying lives IMO.


Regarding the effectiveness of mask wearing, it's either way...

Like the UK Deputy chief medical officer Dr Jenny Harries says (props to her, for her honesty):

"‘The evidence on face coverings is not very strong in either direction. We are continuing to learn as the Prime Minister has said around how the virus transmits and it may be we do change advice in the future, that’s because we’re watching the science."

https://metro.co.uk/2020/08/29/evide...ries-13194494/
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck
Addressed in the paper I posted, I'm guessing you didn't bother reading it. This is a meta-analysis...


"To study the transmissibility of asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 index cases, eFigure 8 in the Supplement summarizes 27 studies19-21,23-26,30,32-34,44,45,47,50,52-54,56,59-61,63,64,68,69,72 reporting household secondary attack rates from symptomatic index cases and 4 studies26,43,44,52 from asymptomatic or presymptomatic index cases. Estimated mean household secondary attack rate from symptomatic index cases (18.0%; 95% CI, 14.2%-22.1%) was significantly higher than from asymptomatic or presymptomatic index cases (0.7%; 95% CI, 0%-4.9%; P < .001), although there were few studies in the latter group. These findings are consistent with other household studies28,70 reporting asymptomatic index cases as having limited role in household transmission.

"


https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2774102


I'm not claiming that the 2 studies that I posted are the final word on the subject. The meta-analysis limitations are also discussed in the link.
Did you read your own study? Because of the two studies that are referenced with regard to pre-symptomatic transmission (which for whatever reason is lumped statistically with asymptomatic) one (ref 109) suggests 40% of household transmission comes from pre-symptomatic hosts. I suggest you actually read the citation, here:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s415...9iCt0w8H7OXmpk

And the only other study cited (ref 108) with regard to pre-symptomatic didn’t quantify that proportion of transmission, only that viral shedding peaks around symptom onset, which tells you there is very likely going to be transmission before symptoms.
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck
OK, like the meta analysis says 0-4.9% transmission rate for presymptomatic people across 27 studies, not cause for shutting down the economy and destroying lives IMO.


Regarding the effectiveness of mask wearing, it's either way...

Like the UK Deputy chief medical officer Dr Jenny Harries says (props to her, for her honesty):

"‘The evidence on face coverings is not very strong in either direction. We are continuing to learn as the Prime Minister has said around how the virus transmits and it may be we do change advice in the future, that’s because we’re watching the science."

https://metro.co.uk/2020/08/29/evide...ries-13194494/
Lockdowns wouldn't be needed if people wore masks.



Total Cases:

USA - 19,982,610
South Korea - 59,773
Japan- 226,596
Singapore - 58,569
Thailand - 6,690

Total Deaths:

USA -346,654
South Korea - 879
Japan- 3,349
Singapore - 29
Thailand - 61

Deaths per million residents:

USA: 1,044
South Korea: 17
Japan: 27
Singapore: 5
Thailand: 0.9

All these are developed countries that already dealt with the previous SARS virus. Their populations wear masks anytime someone has minor cold symptoms even before the pandemic. Notice the difference between countries mandating masks before 15 days vs countries mandating masks at dates 16-30. It obviously made a difference. You don't need a 130 iq to see the pattern here. It does need to be above 80 at least though.

You will now say: "But places that wear masks still have outbreaks." I will answer: Look at this forum. There is a high portion of anti-maskers that ruin it for everyone else. There is also reason to suggest masks act as a sort of a crude vaccine, contributing to a high amount of asymptomatic cases that are now immune against the virus.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...nst-covid-19#1

The theory -- and it remains largely a theory -- is that by filtering out airborne coronavirus droplets and thereby lowering the dose of SARS-CoV-2 a person inhales, infections have much less chance of producing symptoms.

Much in the way vaccination works, an immune response would be triggered in the mask-wearer upon contact with a small amount of virus, but at a level that's not likely to cause serious illness.

"If this theory bears out, population-wide masking, with any type of mask that increases acceptability and adherence, might contribute to increasing the proportion of SARS-CoV-2 infections that are asymptomatic," said Dr. Monica Gandhi and Dr. George Rutherford in a commentary published Sept. 8 in the New England Journal of Medicine. Both authors are from the University of California, San Francisco.
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There is also a study of Tokyo residents showing up to 50% might have already had Covid, yet their actual symptomatic cases and death rate is negligible. They have widespread mask usage from even before the pandemic.

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...searchers.aspx

“With the rise in SPR [seropositivity rate] nearing 50% within our cohort, matching the time when COVID-19 cases waned, the possibility of herd immunity should be considered, particularly in the highly-dense urban scenario like Tokyo,” writes the team.
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck
OK, like the meta analysis says 0-4.9% transmission rate for presymptomatic people across 27 studies, not cause for shutting down the economy and destroying lives IMO.]
That is not what the study is saying.
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Originally Posted By Reliance012
Did you read your own study? Because of the two studies that are referenced with regard to pre-symptomatic transmission (which for whatever reason is lumped statistically with asymptomatic) one (ref 109) suggests 40% of household transmission comes from pre-symptomatic hosts. I suggest you actually read the citation, here:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s415...9iCt0w8H7OXmpk

And the only other study cited (ref 108) with regard to pre-symptomatic didn’t quantify that proportion of transmission, only that viral shedding peaks around symptom onset, which tells you there is very likely going to be transmission before symptoms.
That's not the study, that's the references. I admit that I didn't check the references (props for checking the references, that'll teach me to do so).

I skimmed the link, I'll likely read it properly tomorrow. (It's close to 2.30am here).
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Originally Posted By Reliance012
That is not what the study is saying.
No, you are right. I shouldn't have written that.

Like you said it was grouping asymptomatic with presymptomatic. (If I understand it right.)
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Originally Posted By jamesfrancis1
What's to LOL about retard? they could be living with someone that is high risk.
Calm down you're hysterical
Not in the AM
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck
No, you are right. I shouldn't have written that.

Like you said it was grouping asymptomatic with presymptomatic. (If I understand it right.)
Lol get some sleep my dude. We’ll talk about it more tomorrow.
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Originally Posted By MustardTiger17
Calm down you're hysterical
When you see people you love be affected from this all because simple precautions weren't taken, you get mad at idiots who spread misinformation and make the situation worst. Fuk Off
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Originally Posted By jamesfrancis1
Lockdowns wouldn't be needed if people wore masks.



Total Cases:

USA - 19,982,610
South Korea - 59,773
Japan- 226,596
Singapore - 58,569
Thailand - 6,690

Total Deaths:

USA -346,654
South Korea - 879
Japan- 3,349
Singapore - 29
Thailand - 61

Deaths per million residents:

USA: 1,044
South Korea: 17
Japan: 27
Singapore: 5
Thailand: 0.9

All these are developed countries that already dealt with the previous SARS virus. Their populations wear masks anytime someone has minor cold symptoms even before the pandemic. Notice the difference between countries mandating masks before 15 days vs countries mandating masks at dates 16-30. It obviously made a difference. You don't need a 130 iq to see the pattern here. It does need to be above 80 at least though.

You will now say: "But places that wear masks still have outbreaks." I will answer: Look at this forum. There is a high portion of anti-maskers that ruin it for everyone else. There is also reason to suggest masks act as a sort of a crude vaccine, contributing to a high amount of asymptomatic cases that are now immune against the virus.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...nst-covid-19#1

The theory -- and it remains largely a theory -- is that by filtering out airborne coronavirus droplets and thereby lowering the dose of SARS-CoV-2 a person inhales, infections have much less chance of producing symptoms.

Much in the way vaccination works, an immune response would be triggered in the mask-wearer upon contact with a small amount of virus, but at a level that's not likely to cause serious illness.

"If this theory bears out, population-wide masking, with any type of mask that increases acceptability and adherence, might contribute to increasing the proportion of SARS-CoV-2 infections that are asymptomatic," said Dr. Monica Gandhi and Dr. George Rutherford in a commentary published Sept. 8 in the New England Journal of Medicine. Both authors are from the University of California, San Francisco.
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There is also a study of Tokyo residents showing up to 50% might have already had Covid, yet their actual symptomatic cases and death rate is negligible. They have widespread mask usage from even before the pandemic.

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...searchers.aspx

“With the rise in SPR [seropositivity rate] nearing 50% within our cohort, matching the time when COVID-19 cases waned, the possibility of herd immunity should be considered, particularly in the highly-dense urban scenario like Tokyo,” writes the team.
Great post

Many will ignore it however
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