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post 1642718423 07-12-2021, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Depends on how serious said micromanager is about micromanaging.
worked a lot better in my case... I don't why you're so adamant on denying that some people have a much better work environment by working remotely
post 1642718553 07-12-2021, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
I seem to have hit a nerve, sorry brah, continue being oblivious. But nice assumptions to help you cope...

No one said finding another job would be a problem - but the pay rate competing with the rest of the country? As I said, it's not going to be pretty.
It would be nice if you just came out and said that instead of going with the usual pseudo intellectual route (sometimes I think you are a wincel alt). Yeah, if there is a massive movement to work from home there will huge pay cuts for a lot of people. But there is no reason you can't move to a cheaper place. I get the feeling there will be a push out to more rural areas in the coming years (lower wages just being one reason). Which of course will drive up property costs there and screw even more people out of buying a house but that is another issue. If more people could actually live their lives instead of working to live I don't think the pay cut will end up being that much of an issue for most.
post 1642718813 07-12-2021, 08:27 PM
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You only get promoted if you kiss ass. That’s why you should job hop for more pay if you’re not a *******
post 1642718943 07-12-2021, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted By meanstringbean⏩
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-une...=hp_listc_pos1


Cliffs:

Face time matters, even if the work is the same
'out of site out of mind' might apply to getting passed over on promotions
WFH employees might get 'unfairly' treated in this regard.





My takeaway is... so what? One thing people, especially Millennials, need to get over is the childish notion that you can 'have it all'. The same applies for things like maternity leave - if you have a kid and it forces you to be out of office for 4 months then yea you better believe the man or woman who is in the office those months should get preferential treatment. It's ok to recognize that your career will be impacted by lifestyle choices and accepting that. Once you realize you cant have everything you can begin to prioritize what really matters.


In conclusion just LOL at giving up WFH for the chance of getting promoted. Work in a corporate job and youll see that a promotion is generally your current salary + 10-20% more money. Also, even if you're a 'high achiever' it likely means you get promoted just one year quicker than the average performer, two years tops. Meanwhile if you are WFH you have complete freedom and flexibility over your schedule. Also, the money you save on lifestyle benefits from WFH will likely cancel out any salary increases from a promotion (less daycare, not eating out, no commuting, etc.)

I cant imagine the mentality to give up WFH to rush back in the office 5 days a week so you can be Sr. Paper Pusher instead of just Paper Pusher. Anyways, I said my piece
All valid points, great arguments.
post 1642719523 07-12-2021, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted By LtGoose⏩
Lol @ boomers trying to justify returning to the office.

You can't put the genie back in the bottle. Too much of the workforce has seen the light. Not only does it benefit workers to WFH, the recruiting pool for the company grows exponentially as well. Top tier talent will prefer to have the flexibility of WFH rather than some podunk job that requires you to show up in person.

You lost the war boomers, get over it
It’s not boomers doing it, it’s Gen-Xers now. Most boomers are retired and Gen-Xers are occupying the c-suites and boardrooms.
post 1642719543 07-12-2021, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
I seem to have hit a nerve, sorry brah, continue being oblivious. But nice assumptions to help you cope...

No one said finding another job would be a problem - but the pay rate competing with the rest of the country? As I said, it's not going to be pretty.





Keep coping guys. You both know exactly what I am talking about, and the negs just confirm that.
I will play a violin for the NYC and San Fran brahs who have salary cuts


For the rest of us, especially non city folk, it’s a big win.
post 1642719723 07-12-2021, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted By MuscleXtreme⏩
It’s not boomers doing it, it’s Gen-Xers now. Most boomers are retired and Gen-Xers are occupying the c-suites and boardrooms.
Imagine spending 20 years of your life building up your career and now all of your minions decide they no longer want to participate in toxic office culture... it makes sense why so many are so defensive regarding the work from home movement
post 1642719993 07-12-2021, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted By BLOATMOGGER⏩
When it comes to deciding layoffs, who do you think the manager is going to prefer?

The person who he's been seeing every day for the past 3 years, who he has to look in the eye and tell him to pack his stuff?

Or the guy who's just a name on a spreadsheet he sends tasks and deadlines to?
Cutting the office expense will be too juicy of a target. The office will be shut down and the manager along with all the other cubicels will be fired. WFH people will be kept as they are less expensive employees.
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post 1642720013 07-12-2021, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted By SouthDakotaBrah⏩
Imagine spending 20 years of your life building up your career and now all of your minions decide they no longer want to participate in toxic office culture... it makes sense why so many are so defensive regarding the work from home movement
Tbh I respect the non WFH companies more. They have real leaders that don’t tolerate insubordinate bull****


But we live in an era of employees whining about everything. You a woman? Minority? Old? Gay? Young? Don’t worry There’s some corporate support group for you. In an era where workers can cry about needing to add pronouns to their signatures and HR departments run amok , then forcing 5 days a week in the office stands no chance. Inmates (D&I) run the asylum at most large corporations


I admire a tight run ship
post 1642720103 07-12-2021, 08:44 PM
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lol. I think this only matters if you want to be management. I got promoted to senior engineer when I went remote 6 months ago, wouldn’t do management for 2x the money. WFH is goat for putting your head down and working.
post 1642720183 07-12-2021, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted By SouthDakotaBrah⏩
Imagine spending 20 years of your life building up your career and now all of your minions decide they no longer want to participate in toxic office culture... it makes sense why so many are so defensive regarding the work from home movement
GenX is the middle child that feels unnoticed in comparison to her older and younger siblings. That generation is the definition of middle child syndrome.
post 1642720513 07-12-2021, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
You mean the second best generation, after the Greatest Generation.
Lol, don’t make me call Big Boomer over to set you straight.
post 1642720553 07-12-2021, 08:51 PM
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I got a 20% raise this year and a promotion while working from home…did some pretty transformative **** at work…. Honestly all the cucks desperate for promotions are usually the fake ass corporate politics rate race mentally dull types.
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post 1642720593 07-12-2021, 08:51 PM
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surely that should be obvious
post 1642720613 07-12-2021, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted By MuscleXtreme⏩
GenX is the middle child that feels unnoticed in comparison to her older and younger siblings. That generation is the definition of middle child syndrome.
Millennials are the failed kid in the family that is now 30 and still doesn’t have their life together. Still works at a bar, is completely broke, while their little brother (Gen Z) cringes whenever they talk politics or tries to doll out advice. Little brother went to college and got something economical, and now makes solid money at a young age

Meanwhile millennials still live with mom and dad , and gets in regular screaming matches with them blaming them for all
Their failures in life.



Saying this as a millennial
post 1642720873 07-12-2021, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
You mean the second best generation, after the Greatest Generation.
Day in the office for Gen X


Day in the office for the Greatest Generation
post 1642720923 07-12-2021, 08:57 PM
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post 1642721283 07-12-2021, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
No disrespect brah... But WFH is the least of your concerns if you truly believe that. Either that or you always worked in chitholes, which again goes back to my previous point.
idk brah, I'm chalking this up to a generational thing I guess. People my age generally do not like the typical corporate drone mentality and would prefer more work life balance than people from your generation. I work in consulting which definitely lends itself to a worse lifestyle than many industries (for instance, I do not envy the lives of any of my managers/directors in their 30s/40s)... most of these managers/directors are cool with things, but looking around, most of the younger folks do not want anything to do with it

in any case, I'm trying to find a job that lets me go into the office ~2 times per week and WFH the rest (and so are most people in my generation)
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I was hired remote before covid so i will get to always stay remote. But man i feel bad for some of you. You guys all talk about your co-workers so negatively. I've only worked 3 different jobs, but each one i enjoyed my co-workers. All of them have been pleasant, and theres always been a couple i get along with well enough that we will actually hang out outside of work.
post 1642721883 07-12-2021, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted By Contribution05⏩
I was hired remote before covid so i will get to always stay remote. But man i feel bad for some of you. You guys all talk about your co-workers so negatively. I've only worked 3 different jobs, but each one i enjoyed my co-workers. All of them have been pleasant, and theres always been a couple i get along with well enough that we will actually hang out outside of work.
I hang out with all the co-workers my age, but all the managers here are fuking dicks (srs)
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I'm accomplishing the same things from my office than at the office, in fact I've taken on more responsibility. I probably don't save 10%, but would be willing to take a small pay cut to work from home away from all the office BS that almost every office has. Got a bonus last year and a merit increase this year, with a performance increase later in the year. WFH has had no impact on me so far.

My employer is already facing high turnover, medical employers are very competitive, and they're likely going to face more turnover. Most jobs here aren't trainable remotely. I've been here 2 years and just getting up to speed. The learning curve is pretty steep. They can't just hire anyone and can't hire someone that is 100% remote. The employees have all the power and can jump ship at any time.

The article doesn't make that much sense to me. But I do know the WSJ writes articles for boomers to read. I read every comment section, a lot of smart people and a lot of boomers with experience. I guarantee they ate that article up because they prefer the office and seeing their employees.
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Originally Posted By denrocks1⏩
Honestly if you already have a decent salary and work/life balance then who cares?

Usually raises are pretty low if you are not switching companies anyway. I'd rather give up a promotion and additional responsibilities if I'm happy where I'm at to be able to chill at home.
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Worked from home on and off from March 2020 to Feb 2021 and was forced back in to the office because of ******* co workers complaining to my boss about me not being in office 100% like they all were.

We were given the choice to do up to 4 days per week from home which I did, but I guess they were miserable being back and wanted me to also be miserable.

WFH is the Goat, no distractions so I can hammer my work out, comfy clothes, set the temperature I want and I sleep and eat way better at home. The genie has been let out of the bottle for the workforce forever and I'll never take another job where I can't do splits between home and office.

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BTW, what's the promotion?
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