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post 1643840703 07-29-2021, 06:07 AM
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If you were to go back two years and tell people if there would be this much commotion over the flu and flu shots, nobody would believe you.

The guys talking about "the vaccines saving us" and "I hope cases go down", come on man. Cases will go down when they want them to go down.
post 1643841983 07-29-2021, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted By plsmire
It’s kind of proof just how sinister the establishment and msm are. They’ve brainwashed people and really pushed this narrative that unvaccinated are evil and need to be corrected. They very well know this will cause division.

But they don’t care, they want peer pressure and resorting to making lives unliveable just so everyone takes the jab.

What happened to herd immunity plan again? 70% of the population should have had covid now given the number of reported and the 80% unreported.
Yeah, I'm amazed at it.

It's not the politicians who are mandating the masks again that are the problem, it's the people who are unvaccinated.

How people keep falling for this division is crazy.
post 1643842923 07-29-2021, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted By yewotm8
Cases will go down when they want them to go down.
This.
post 1643842993 07-29-2021, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted By navid93
Washington ordered all continental army troops be given one of the world's first (crude) vaccinations on Feb 5th, 1777 (Fen, 2001). Hell, even John Adams was pro-vaccine, getting himself and his family innoculated, and promoting vaccine education. During this time, quarantines were also used against smallpox, going so far as to quarantine entire towns. Known infected individuals were ordered to be sent to isolated locations.

People really need to learn their history. It's funny how the people pearl clutching over vaccines, quarantines, and isolating infected people are the same people that like to fetishize the time when this happened. The Declaration was signed while there were active quarantines. The Constitution was signed only a handful of years after they ended. The signers of the Constitution were almost all in political offices during quarantine measures. While not all founding fathers thought alike (Franklin was at one point against vaccinations), it's a bit funny that no one seems to mention America's first president was pro-mass vaccination and quarantine.
Irredeemable detected.

What an absolutely idiotic argument. 99.999% of people who don’t want this vaccine aren’t saying nobody should get any vaccine ever. They’ve done their prudential risk calculation and made their decision. Virus which they are damn near certainly not going to die from, or vaccine with unknown risks.

Covid != smallpox.
post 1643851273 07-29-2021, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted By Globally
This is very accurate. Irredeemable is a good word for how I feel about 90% of people now.

It’s been a blessing in disguise because I made a ****load of money in the stock market and I’m going to just check out of it next year. Florida and no return.
It wasn't my intention at the time, but when I converted my equities to treasuries in my 401K I saved my ass from the big plunge and was able to convert back in at a cheaper price. Wouldn't say I made a chit ton of money, but I did at least make some $ off it.
post 1643851623 07-29-2021, 09:10 AM
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The way I see it. I don’t give a fukk if people get vaxed or not. But vaxed people care a lot if I do not participate in it.


So stay salty.
post 1643853063 07-29-2021, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron
I believe it's vaccine remorse - they don't want to be alone having made that decision.
Vaccine remorse is real and it’s spectacular.
post 1643853503 07-29-2021, 09:35 AM
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Tell them they’re racist since a disproportionate amount of vaccine skeptics and holdouts are poc
post 1643853853 07-29-2021, 09:39 AM
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Remember they call every gathering they don’t like a super spreader event, and the “experts” were fine with peaceful protesting during a super scary pandemic because it was crucial “to save black lives” (after they told us covid hurts black communities the most)

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Originally Posted By navid93
Washington ordered all continental army troops be given one of the world's first (crude) vaccinations on Feb 5th, 1777 (Fen, 2001). Hell, even John Adams was pro-vaccine, getting himself and his family innoculated, and promoting vaccine education. During this time, quarantines were also used against smallpox, going so far as to quarantine entire towns. Known infected individuals were ordered to be sent to isolated locations.

People really need to learn their history. It's funny how the people pearl clutching over vaccines, quarantines, and isolating infected people are the same people that like to fetishize the time when this happened. The Declaration was signed while there were active quarantines. The Constitution was signed only a handful of years after they ended. The signers of the Constitution were almost all in political offices during quarantine measures. While not all founding fathers thought alike (Franklin was at one point against vaccinations), it's a bit funny that no one seems to mention America's first president was pro-mass vaccination and quarantine.
Why r u so dumb?
post 1643857813 07-29-2021, 10:42 AM
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post 1643858073 07-29-2021, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted By RW2
Irredeemable detected.

What an absolutely idiotic argument. 99.999% of people who don’t want this vaccine aren’t saying nobody should get any vaccine ever. They’ve done their prudential risk calculation and made their decision. Virus which they are damn near certainly not going to die from, or vaccine with unknown risks.

Covid != smallpox.
I'm one of the few people in the United States who has been vaccinated for smallpox (also rabies, yellow fever, typhoid, anthrax, botulism, all hepatitis variations, and plague), and I'm not going to get this vaccine. Risk just isn't there.
post 1643860203 07-29-2021, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted By Arem24
But yeah, there's a significant number of people I know unvaxxed, and no hate, but out of my "group" of family and friends, there's only a few unvaxxed and they don't seem to be anti-covid vaccine, but out of the group the unvaxxed are definitely all the lower IQ and less successful members of my circles.

I work with PhDs, 100% vaxxed, family is MDs or McKinsey level consultants, vaxxed. The lady who throws my trash out at work? Unvaxxed (but she's really nice). My uncle who is an unemployed IT guy? Unvaxxed. My former throat slam/fukk buddy that's a complete alcoholic and unemployed living off her parents? Unvaxxed. Uncle is also an alcoholic, so out of the three people I know for sure are unvaxxed, two of them guzzle a handle of vodka every night and think nothing of it, but they're concerned about what exactly again?
There's an interesting book about the phenomenon you anecdotally describe here called Disciplined Minds by Jeff Schmidt. I don't agree with the author's analysis completely, but I think he's right about the general thesis of the book, that working professionals are trained to be more complicite to authority on its face alone, and to not question it. This "pandemic" demonstrated it perfectly, the college educated professionals blindly do as they're told, while the subhuman derided tradies and rednecks see the world for what it is, relying on the common sense expunged from the professional class.
post 1643860503 07-29-2021, 11:25 AM
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imagine associating with maskies/vaxxies
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post 1643860883 07-29-2021, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted By Jessejame5
yeah well your blind obedience to a corrupt government and mass murdering big pharma puts me and my family risk
beautiful words
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post 1643862633 07-29-2021, 11:54 AM
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You guys remeber when you had to get half way through a full conversation to determine if someone was mentally challenged? Now you can tell from 100 feet away. Thats probably the only good thing that has come out of the past couple years.
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post 1643893743 07-29-2021, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted By coast2coastam
There's an interesting book about the phenomenon you anecdotally describe here called Disciplined Minds by Jeff Schmidt. I don't agree with the author's analysis completely, but I think he's right about the general thesis of the book, that working professionals are trained to be more complicite to authority on its face alone, and to not question it. This "pandemic" demonstrated it perfectly, the college educated professionals blindly do as they're told, while the subhuman derided tradies and rednecks see the world for what it is, relying on the common sense expunged from the professional class.
It is because those professional have more to lose. Their careers are in the upper tier of the socioeconomic class and they are smart enough to know not to rock the boat. It's only the truly passionate, altruistic ones in those classes that speak out at their own risk to help the greater good.

However, there are absolutely useful idiots in that group who have been brainwashed and believe they are speaking through altruism as well who add to the noise when trying to find the signal. Broadly speaking.
post 1643894793 07-29-2021, 08:23 PM
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Jfl I’ve been getting some backlash from it. Went to Carowinds with a big group last week, only one not vaxxed, most of them need students/doctors.

One of them mentions to me now anyone unvaxxed is bringing it on themselves and he doesn’t care if they die/get hospitalized. I agreed, compared it to drunk drivers who I have no sympathy for. They all stopped after that because that dude’s brother there with us had drove home after five drinks at an Olympic watching party the night before. JFL at virtue signaling at me about this chit.

You’re vaxxed and will have supposedly almost no chance of getting it so why care? I’m taking the risk myself and anyone who isn’t vaxxed basically made the choice or shouldn’t be out in public if immunocompromised/susceptible. Same as obese people stuffing their faces with junk food. The difference is the significant benefit to risk of eating healthy and working out compared to obesity, whereas a healthy young guy getting vaxxed is mostly unnecessary. I agreed the general public should get vaxxed esp w comorbidities but I don’t personally see the point.
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i'm pro do whatever the fuark you want. The people I've seen wish death on others the most are pro-vaxers. Saying **** like "They deserved it for not getting the vaccine". Didn't realize we were stooping so low
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Originally Posted By JeepBruh
It is because those professional have more to lose. Their careers are in the upper tier of the socioeconomic class and they are smart enough to know not to rock the boat. It's only the truly passionate, altruistic ones in those classes that speak out at their own risk to help the greater good.

However, there are absolutely useful idiots in that group who have been brainwashed and believe they are speaking through altruism as well who add to the noise when trying to find the signal. Broadly speaking.
This is absolutely the case and part of it. I had to have verification of my vaccination status at multiple levels to be authorized to enter the building maskless. Masks are a scarlet letter at my level.

While discrimination at work regarding vaxx status, masks or no masks, etc. is forbidden, it would be a career killer for anyone considered “talent” to show up with a mask, the assumption being they’re either A. Anti-science or B. Lazy.

That’s fukked but it’s the reality.

I couldn’t give a fuk whether people are vaxxed, it doesn’t change the needle and who am I to judge their individual experience.

But the reality is that while I’m sure people have some buddies who work at Jiffy Lube that have watched some YouTube vids on the vaccine being a sinister plot to track them (via their iPhone JFL), that most reasonable real MDs and epidemiologists understand vaccines help.

Everything has a risk, there is a low level of risk for a healthy individual to get the vaxx, I mean hell the nurse could slip and jab you in the neck, and there are always rare reactions to a vaccine.

But if people are worried about a greater world order controlling them through sinister means in a vaccine, they already did the damn thing with FB, Google, etc.

For every unfortunate negative reaction to the vaccine there are thousands of cases of people dead from the disease.

Live and let live, but I’ll step when someone calls me dumb for getting vaxxed. My gf is unvaxxed and you know what, whatever.

But anyone that doesn’t believe in vaccines might wanna check on the science behind what they do believe... Sounds like some Astrology MFer’s lol.
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I won't get the vaccine.
If people want to, that's fine, their choice. But they won't shut the fuk up about it, nor will they allow anyone else to make the decision for themselves.
It's a cult. They have to explain why they're the better / smarter person for taking the "JAB." Which, ultimately, is an untested, rushed shot from companies that have horrific track records.
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Originally Posted By Arem24
This is absolutely the case and part of it. I had to have verification of my vaccination status at multiple levels to be authorized to enter the building maskless. Masks are a scarlet letter at my level.

While discrimination at work regarding vaxx status, masks or no masks, etc. is forbidden, it would be a career killer for anyone considered “talent” to show up with a mask, the assumption being they’re either A. Anti-science or B. Lazy.

That’s fukked but it’s the reality.

I couldn’t give a fuk whether people are vaxxed, it doesn’t change the needle and who am I to judge their individual experience.

But the reality is that while I’m sure people have some buddies who work at Jiffy Lube that have watched some YouTube vids on the vaccine being a sinister plot to track them (via their iPhone JFL), that most reasonable real MDs and epidemiologists understand vaccines help.

Everything has a risk, there is a low level of risk for a healthy individual to get the vaxx, I mean hell the nurse could slip and jab you in the neck, and there are always rare reactions to a vaccine.

But if people are worried about a greater world order controlling them through sinister means in a vaccine, they already did the damn thing with FB, Google, etc.

For every unfortunate negative reaction to the vaccine there are thousands of cases of people dead from the disease.

Live and let live, but I’ll step when someone calls me dumb for getting vaxxed. My gf is unvaxxed and you know what, whatever.

But anyone that doesn’t believe in vaccines might wanna check on the science behind what they do believe... Sounds like some Astrology MFer’s lol.
Damn bro. Agree with everything you said and wanted to comment on all of your points because I strongly agree with all of them.

The scarlet letter is an analogy I hadn't thought of before, but perfectly sums up the situation.

That is what drives me the most nuts. All because you have a different opinion, you are socially ostracized, financially stymied and cast away from professionally networking due to a visible "non conformity" mask put in place by people who are often smart enough to know that there are alternative viewpoints, but don't acknowledge them due to their own personal risk aversion of hindering personal corporate goals.

What's worse is these people know this and will still advance a status quo of weaponized social manipulation for their own endeavors. It enters the realm of cowardice versus sociopath/psychopathy.
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Originally Posted By Anachron
Re-read his post - he's trying very hard to appear unbiased, but isn't. Read his last sentence in particular.

Apparently if you're not a fan of injecting yourself with an experimental vaccine - you believe in astrology.
Bro, do you want a fukking tissue so you can have a cry? Lol.
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