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Why American Fascism is on the rise (video analysis) worth a watch
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Antifa are legit fascists.
I realized today that idgaf. I'm probably not having kids, so idc what happens to this country. I hope to just live out the rest of my life in relative peace.
I realized today that idgaf. I'm probably not having kids, so idc what happens to this country. I hope to just live out the rest of my life in relative peace.
07-28-2022, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted By leafs43⏩
How is it a communist lie? Are you saying The nazis, Mussolins Italy and Franco's Spaing were just a lie? Stop drinking the Russian propaganda koolaid brahFascism is nothing more than communism lite.
Takes a 2 minute google search to find the nazis platform (read here:https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/25points.asp) and the Italians platform (read here:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_Manifesto)
Takes a 2 minute google search to find the nazis platform (read here:https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/25points.asp) and the Italians platform (read here:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_Manifesto)
07-28-2022, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted By OptimusTrajan⏩
You're welcome to join my ranch if chit hits the fan, I welcome all kinds of people (even fascists if they behave)Antifa are legit fascists.
I realized today that idgaf. I'm probably not having kids, so idc what happens to this country. I hope to just live out the rest of my life in relative peace.
I realized today that idgaf. I'm probably not having kids, so idc what happens to this country. I hope to just live out the rest of my life in relative peace.
07-28-2022, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted By suave2000⏩
That was a terrible video. A scrambled juxtaposition of various loose attributes associated with numerous ethnic groups in a weak attempt to covey some type of immoral behavior.Watch this vid, the most simple explanation i could find, pretty clear and concise.
Once again, Ive yet to see patriot front(composed of numerous minorities mind you) declaring any type of Aryan superiority. So once again, how are they fascist? Is it because they're white?
07-28-2022, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted By suave2000⏩
Literally straight from the first link:How is it a communist lie? Are you saying The nazis, Mussolins Italy and Franco's Spaing were just a lie? Stop drinking the Russian propaganda koolaid brah
9. All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.
10. The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all Consequently we demand:
11. Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of rent-slavery.
12. In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
14. We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
15. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
16. We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.
17. We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.
18. We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, Schieber and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.
20. The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbuergerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.
21. The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.
23. We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press. In order to enable the provision of a German press, we demand, that: a. All writers and employees of the newspapers appearing in the German language be members of the race: b. Non-German newspapers be required to have the express permission of the State to be published. They may not be printed in the German language: c. Non-Germans are forbidden by law any financial interest in German publications, or any influence on them, and as punishment for violations the closing of such a publication as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-German concerned. Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden. We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life, and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands.
24. We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: common utility precedes individual utility.
25. For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a strong central power in the Reich. Unlimited authority of the central parliament over the whole Reich and its organizations in general. The forming of state and profession chambers for the execution of the laws made by the Reich within the various states of the confederation. The leaders of the Party promise, if necessary by sacrificing their own lives, to support by the execution of the points set forth above without consideration.
It reads just like a commie wish list10. The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all Consequently we demand:
11. Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of rent-slavery.
12. In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
14. We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
15. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
16. We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.
17. We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.
18. We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, Schieber and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.
20. The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbuergerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.
21. The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.
23. We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press. In order to enable the provision of a German press, we demand, that: a. All writers and employees of the newspapers appearing in the German language be members of the race: b. Non-German newspapers be required to have the express permission of the State to be published. They may not be printed in the German language: c. Non-Germans are forbidden by law any financial interest in German publications, or any influence on them, and as punishment for violations the closing of such a publication as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-German concerned. Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden. We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life, and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands.
24. We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: common utility precedes individual utility.
25. For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a strong central power in the Reich. Unlimited authority of the central parliament over the whole Reich and its organizations in general. The forming of state and profession chambers for the execution of the laws made by the Reich within the various states of the confederation. The leaders of the Party promise, if necessary by sacrificing their own lives, to support by the execution of the points set forth above without consideration.
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Originally Posted By leafs43⏩
strong cherrypicking of points how about these from your link:Literally straight from the first link:
It reads just like a commie wish list
It reads just like a commie wish list
Only a "member of the race" can be a citizen.
Anti-semitism - No Jew can be a member of the race.
Anti-foreigner - only citizens can live in Germany.
No immigration - ref. to Jews fleeing pograms.
23. We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press. In order to enable the provision of a German press, we demand, that: a. All writers and employees of the newspapers appearing in the German language be members of the race: b. Non-German newspapers be required to have the express permission of the State to be published. They may not be printed in the German language: c. Non-Germans are forbidden by law any financial interest in German publications, or any influence on them, and as punishment for violations the closing of such a publication as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-German concerned. Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden. We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life, and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands.
24. We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: common utility precedes individual utility
These early positions reflected in the Manifesto would later be characterized by Mussolini in "The Doctrine of Fascism" as "a series of pointers, forecasts, hints which, when freed from the inevitable matrix of contingencies, were to develop in a few years time into a series of doctrinal positions entitling Fascism to rank as a political doctrine differing from all others, past or present."[3] However in Practice a Fascist State is often a reflection of the leaders values and opinions, as seen in Nazi Germany, and their policies towards the Jewish Population.[4]
/rektAnti-semitism - No Jew can be a member of the race.
Anti-foreigner - only citizens can live in Germany.
No immigration - ref. to Jews fleeing pograms.
23. We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press. In order to enable the provision of a German press, we demand, that: a. All writers and employees of the newspapers appearing in the German language be members of the race: b. Non-German newspapers be required to have the express permission of the State to be published. They may not be printed in the German language: c. Non-Germans are forbidden by law any financial interest in German publications, or any influence on them, and as punishment for violations the closing of such a publication as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-German concerned. Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden. We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life, and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands.
24. We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: common utility precedes individual utility
These early positions reflected in the Manifesto would later be characterized by Mussolini in "The Doctrine of Fascism" as "a series of pointers, forecasts, hints which, when freed from the inevitable matrix of contingencies, were to develop in a few years time into a series of doctrinal positions entitling Fascism to rank as a political doctrine differing from all others, past or present."[3] However in Practice a Fascist State is often a reflection of the leaders values and opinions, as seen in Nazi Germany, and their policies towards the Jewish Population.[4]
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Originally Posted By JIA⏩
Keep burrying your head in the sand fascist brah.That was a terrible video. A scrambled juxtaposition of various loose attributes associated with numerous ethnic groups in a weak attempt to covey some type of immoral behavior.
Once again, Ive yet to see patriot front(composed of numerous minorities mind you) declaring any type of Aryan superiority. So once again, how are they fascist? Is it because they're white?
Once again, Ive yet to see patriot front(composed of numerous minorities mind you) declaring any type of Aryan superiority. So once again, how are they fascist? Is it because they're white?
07-28-2022, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted By LordBroly⏩
Reallistically a bunch of negs since this forum is far gone, too much russian propaganda and brainwashing by Trumps republican party. I hope that some of them at least subconsciously start to question their beliefs tho.Realistically, what response were you expecting?
07-28-2022, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted By suave2000⏩
Not likely. Belief perseverance is a thing, and people are often more likely to double down when presented with information that contradicts their beliefs / world view. It's almost impossible to change someone's mind, especially when the issue at hand has become central to their identity.Reallistically a bunch of negs since this forum is far gone, too much russian propaganda and brainwashing by Trumps republican party. I hope that some of them at leastsubconsciously start to question their beliefstho.
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Why do people like OP continue using the term "fascism" without even knowing what it means?
R.I.P. Aziz "Zyzz" Shavershian 3/24/1989 8/5/2011
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Originally Posted By suave2000⏩
Do you use biased, inaccurate, reddit/soy-infused YouTube videos to prove all your points? Any sources with actual substance? No?Watch this vid, the most simple explanation i could find, pretty clear and concise.
R.I.P. Aziz "Zyzz" Shavershian 3/24/1989 8/5/2011
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Originally Posted By Aaron4Prez⏩
What are your counter arguments for the points expressed in the video? Or are you going to simply disregard them because of your feelings?Do you use biased, inaccurate, reddit/soy-infused YouTube videos to prove all your points? Any sources with actual substance? No?
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Originally Posted By suave2000⏩
Cliffs:
It's just flawed neoliberalist capitalism trying to protect itself from its own failures
America as a nation has a deep rooted fascist and racist past
Yeah we know, so why do you care?Cliffs:
It's just flawed neoliberalist capitalism trying to protect itself from its own failures
America as a nation has a deep rooted fascist and racist past
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Originally Posted By suave2000⏩
To be quite honest, my time is a little more valuable than breaking down a 10-minute video argument by argument when the first minute is already riddled with baloney. And it would just devolve into a debate on semantics anyway since we clearly have different definitions of the term "fascism" (mine being rooted in historical context, yours probably not so much).What are your counter arguments for the points expressed in the video? Or are you going to simply disregard them because of your feelings?
If you actually want to have a conversation, use your actual words and not some stupid YouTube video.
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Originally Posted By Aaron4Prez⏩
Well he makes the comparisons with the historical definition, so he talks about that. You should watch the full video with an open mind. srs.To be quite honest, my time is a little more valuable than breaking down a 10-minute video argument by argument when the first minute is already riddled with baloney. And it would just devolve into a debate on semantics anyway since we clearly have different definitions of the term "fascism" (mine being rooted in historical context, yours probably not so much).
If you actually want to have a conversation, use your actual words and not some stupid YouTube video.
If you actually want to have a conversation, use your actual words and not some stupid YouTube video.
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Originally Posted By suave2000⏩
You’re a close-minded foolWell he makes the comparisons with the historical definition, so he talks about that. You should watch the full video with an open mind. srs.
Entire NYPD should go on strike. You'll see then how quickly the mayor changes his tone.
"Dig with your hands, not with your mouths"
Entire NYPD should go on strike. You'll see then how quickly the mayor changes his tone.
07-28-2022, 04:54 PM
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Op thinks fascism is based on scary dudes waving flags. The roots of fascism are much more substantial. Mussolinis version is not the same as hitlers or Maos or Marx (yes they are all fascists in the simplest of definitions, they just slap a different name on it)
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Originally Posted By leafs43⏩
Thinking the same thing except for the strong middle class segmentLiterally straight from the first link:
It reads just like a commie wish list
It reads just like a commie wish list
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Not really. More like anti woke is on the rise. This woke lgbtq trany leftist liberal **** they push in the media and on the internet is terrible
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