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10-01-2022, 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted By GeezersPalace⏩
I'm fairly intoxicated, but usually in times such as these M/A activity usually jumps. IPOs of course more or less stop occurring though.Credit Suisse investment banking arm is phucked. There private banking arm is still probably best in the world. They will get rid of the investment banking arm same as Goldman db citi and BoA because investment banking is about to go through a 3 year nuclear winter.
Also, short any company whose primary function is mortgage origination or refinancing.

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10-01-2022, 10:22 PM
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More notes...

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The money supply must continue to grow. However...

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There has been an attempt to decrease it.


And we are here...
"the damage a decrease in reserves do is huge if you manage to go below a critical threshold,and no one knows where that threshold is."

Meanwhile...

We didn't enter into this experiment from a strong position..."40% of the Russell 2000 are unprofitable".
We have zombies.

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https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/...cation-economy

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The money supply must continue to grow. However...

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There has been an attempt to decrease it.


And we are here...
"the damage a decrease in reserves do is huge if you manage to go below a critical threshold,and no one knows where that threshold is."

Meanwhile...

We didn't enter into this experiment from a strong position..."40% of the Russell 2000 are unprofitable".
We have zombies.
A zombie company is one whose earnings before interest and taxes are less than or equal to its debt service (it coincides exactly with Minsky’s definition of speculative and Ponzi companies, taken together). A zombie is a wonderful metaphor because a zombie moves and appears to be alive but is in fact dead. A zombie company also moves and appears to be alive—it generates activity, employs workers, and produces goods—but in reality is (almost) dead. It is (almost) certain to die given its inability to pay its debt with its own means.
At least 25 percent of US companies are financially dead.
And could be on the road to a Minsky Moment.At least 25 percent of US companies are financially dead.

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10-01-2022, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted By RobParks2M⏩
Maybe because their dogchit equity doesn’t represent the 1.5 trillion aum that fuks with the entire market If they default?Why not... they are worth $10b market capitalization. They are not important.
10-01-2022, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted By keyboardworkout⏩
It's possible that Van Metre is making a false implication. FWIW I've seen the meeting brought up elsewhere too.Katya:
FYI - The Fed typically meets every other Monday.
https://www.federalreserve.gov/about...etingdates.htm
FYI - The Fed typically meets every other Monday.
https://www.federalreserve.gov/about...etingdates.htm
I believe that it is at least fair to say that we are in uncharted territory.
- shut down much of the real economy [reduce supply of goods and services]
- loads of government spending [increase the supply of money]
- turn the real economy back on again [but it hasn't gone so smoothly]
- attempt to reduce the supply of money
A large movement into physical assets and precious metals indicates a loss of trust. And I still wonder what's up with derivatives.
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10-01-2022, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
Those were supposed to be 2 separate statements. Didn't realize they had 1.5T tho ayyyyyyy lmao I wonder how deep their hole is ayyyyy lmaoMaybe because their dogchit equity doesn’t represent the 1.5 trillion aum that fuks with the entire market If they default?
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10-01-2022, 11:15 PM
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I’ve worked for CS in the past. They’re private banking business is second to none. They effectively manage some
Of the richest people in the world. Not gonna name names but one of the richest man in the world effectively has his wealth with CS. CS might be a punching bag but honestly I can’t see how DB ML MS GS BoA would be in any better of a positon.
We’ve had a run economic but we need a 3 year collapse. The people who bought homes recently will get the butt****ign here.
Of the richest people in the world. Not gonna name names but one of the richest man in the world effectively has his wealth with CS. CS might be a punching bag but honestly I can’t see how DB ML MS GS BoA would be in any better of a positon.
We’ve had a run economic but we need a 3 year collapse. The people who bought homes recently will get the butt****ign here.
10-01-2022, 11:22 PM
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Same bank that “prints” money out of thin air, lends it, and charges interest? lmao lmao lmao
In the U.S.???? I guess we missed the too big to fail bus.
In the U.S.???? I guess we missed the too big to fail bus.
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10-02-2022, 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted By i3oosted⏩
There's no more road left to kick the can down. Something is about to break.Same bank that “prints” money out of thin air, lends it, and charges interest? lmao lmao lmao
In the U.S.???? I guess we missed the too big to fail bus.
In the U.S.???? I guess we missed the too big to fail bus.
10-02-2022, 04:24 AM
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10-02-2022, 04:51 AM
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wow started this thread thinking a major IB was going under....
instead Katya now has me thinking the world is going to end..
instead Katya now has me thinking the world is going to end..
10-02-2022, 07:17 AM
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10-02-2022, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted By kengriffeyjr24⏩
Oh I'm pretty sure the planet will still be here. But can't say how long this can kicking game can continue.wow started this thread thinking a major IB was going under....
instead Katya now has me thinking the world is going to end..
instead Katya now has me thinking the world is going to end..
Today I heard more reports about people having difficulty withdrawing cash from their banks. One said there was a sign up stating that for withdrawals of more than $2,000 customers would have to make an appointment in advance. Two [three?] reports from people saying they were told they could withdraw a maximum of $5,000 and the interesting bit about that was one said the bank employee told them it was because of new rules from the Fed re:the maximum amount of physical cash that the bank is allowed to have in their vault.
China is supposed to be dumping US$
China tells state banks to prepare for a massive dollar dump and yuan buying spree as Beijing's prior interventions have failed to stem its currency's worst year since 1994
The People's Bank of China has told major state-run banks to prepare to shed dollar holdings while snapping up offshore yuan, which has continued to fall despite prior interventions, sources told Reuters.
The scale of this latest effort to prop up the yuan will be big and could provide a floor to the Chinese currency, according to the report.
The amount of dollars to be sold hasn't been decided yet, but Reuters said it will primarily involve the state banks' currency reserves. Their offshore branches, including those based in Hong Kong, New York and London, were ordered to review offshore yuan holdings and check to see that dollar reserves are ready.
Link:The scale of this latest effort to prop up the yuan will be big and could provide a floor to the Chinese currency, according to the report.
The amount of dollars to be sold hasn't been decided yet, but Reuters said it will primarily involve the state banks' currency reserves. Their offshore branches, including those based in Hong Kong, New York and London, were ordered to review offshore yuan holdings and check to see that dollar reserves are ready.
https://markets.businessinsider.com/...ed-hike-2022-9
$47 Trillion in derivatives at DB

Big US banks loaded up with derivatives.
Even more frightening, the latest OCC report shares this:
“A small group of large financial institutions continues to dominate trading and derivatives activity in the U.S. commercial banking system. During the second quarter of 2022, four large commercial banks represented 88.9 percent of the total banking industry notional amounts and 66.0 percent of industry net current credit exposure (NCCE).”
Those banks are: JPMorgan Chase, Goldman Sachs Bank USA, Citigroup’s Citibank, and Bank of America.
That’s where the bulk of the risks are in the commercial banks. But Morgan Stanley is also one of the largest derivative dealers with total notional (face amount) in derivatives of $35.4 trillion as of June 30. Morgan Stanley holds its derivatives at its bank holding company rather than at the two federally-insured banks it owns. That might make Morgan Stanley easier to unwind in a crisis but it doesn’t make its ability to spread contagion throughout the financial system any less dangerous. Each of its derivative trades has a counterparty on the hook for potential losses.
These five financial institutions represent 84 percent of all derivatives held at the 25 largest bank holding companies in the United States. And it is highly likely that some of the counterparties on the other side of these derivative trades are not going to be in a position to make good on the trades if things go further south. We’re thinking of Deutsche Bank and Credit Suisse, whose share prices are now both in the single digits and have been on a swoon for a decade. (See chart below.)
Link:“A small group of large financial institutions continues to dominate trading and derivatives activity in the U.S. commercial banking system. During the second quarter of 2022, four large commercial banks represented 88.9 percent of the total banking industry notional amounts and 66.0 percent of industry net current credit exposure (NCCE).”
Those banks are: JPMorgan Chase, Goldman Sachs Bank USA, Citigroup’s Citibank, and Bank of America.
That’s where the bulk of the risks are in the commercial banks. But Morgan Stanley is also one of the largest derivative dealers with total notional (face amount) in derivatives of $35.4 trillion as of June 30. Morgan Stanley holds its derivatives at its bank holding company rather than at the two federally-insured banks it owns. That might make Morgan Stanley easier to unwind in a crisis but it doesn’t make its ability to spread contagion throughout the financial system any less dangerous. Each of its derivative trades has a counterparty on the hook for potential losses.
These five financial institutions represent 84 percent of all derivatives held at the 25 largest bank holding companies in the United States. And it is highly likely that some of the counterparties on the other side of these derivative trades are not going to be in a position to make good on the trades if things go further south. We’re thinking of Deutsche Bank and Credit Suisse, whose share prices are now both in the single digits and have been on a swoon for a decade. (See chart below.)
https://wallstreetonparade.com/2022/...sehold-wealth/
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Why is this relevant now? See that last part about DB and CS being counterparties?
Other banks that also aren't looking to healthy.

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10-02-2022, 02:53 PM
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2008 “crisis” had 0 effect on me, parents and friends.
Economists, educate me on the implications of financial crisis stemming from this for the average person?
Economists, educate me on the implications of financial crisis stemming from this for the average person?
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what? I graduated right after the financial crisis and it was extremely hard for people to find jobs. I'd say more than half my peers had to take a a year or longer to find a job, many taking minimum wage jobs. It took years for many to find something that wasn't min wage.
had family members under water on their homes and they were forced to raise growing families in tiny townhomes they bought until price finally went up (about 10 years later.....)
had family members under water on their homes and they were forced to raise growing families in tiny townhomes they bought until price finally went up (about 10 years later.....)
10-02-2022, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted By plsmire⏩
Not an economist, just watching from the cheap seats.2008 “crisis” had 0 effect on me, parents and friends.
Economists, educate me on the implications of financial crisis stemming from this for the average person?
Economists, educate me on the implications of financial crisis stemming from this for the average person?
In 2008 there was a loss of trust between counterparties [banks did not trust other banks, spike in the LIBOR].
There are plenty of moving parts and today Mannarino gave a more detailed explanation of the currency crisis and liquidity crisis if you want to check it out.
When trust is lost transactions fail. > Without trusted transactions the exchange of goods and services would grind to a halt [or close enough].
All of the currencies have been inflated/devalued and recently this has been done even more rapidly than before. The US$ is presently the strongest currency, but it isn't because the Federal Reserve hasn't also been lowering purchasing power, it's mostly because of the global reserve status.
If this system truly fails then all of the goods and services that you purchase regularly will cease to circulate. The system would freeze up due to a loss of trust- meaning the buyer and seller not trusting each other [counterparties] or not trusting the financial institutions [banks] or not trusting the unit of exchange [currency].
I was warning people that I knew in 2008 also. Then the banks and corporations were screwed. Then the reserve banks tapped the sovereigns and also went into long term quantitative easing so like you said nothing much happened outside of a market downturn, some houses getting foreclosed on, a few banks going tits up, etc.
This time? I think it's broken and there will be default/reset.
What is most scary though is that they have known where the road was heading all this time and have been making moves to position themselves advantageously.
It would be nice if we get a legitimate functioning crypto system, or even revert to real metal coins. But that is unlikely unless the central banks are killed and we can transition to a monetary system that isn't based on debt and doesn't require constant continuing growth to avoid imploding.
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Originally Posted By kengriffeyjr24⏩
Well never noticed it. Companies still need skilled people so 0 issue with getting job. My parents still rented out their apartments just fine. All my friends were still employed, not a single one lost their job.what? I graduated right after the financial crisis and it was extremely hard for people to find jobs. I'd say more than half my peers had to take a a year or longer to find a job, many taking minimum wage jobs. It took years for many to find something that wasn't min wage.
had family members under water on their homes and they were forced to raise growing families in tiny townhomes they bought until price finally went up (about 10 years later.....)
had family members under water on their homes and they were forced to raise growing families in tiny townhomes they bought until price finally went up (about 10 years later.....)
What kind of jobs was lost exactly? If you’re a software dev for a company, they’re not suddenly going to get rid of you, they’re still selling their software.
Not saying it didn’t affect others, I just did not feel it at all, nor the people around me.
I will say that my biggest fear is hyper inflation and outright collapse of the pounds or dollars.
I run a few internet companies and a marketing agency. No doubt the marketing agency will be affected if companies don’t have the marketing budget. I also run a few aggregator lead gen sites and if those clients scale back their spending, I’d take a bit but won’t go under (mainly cos business expenses are minimal).
Also, the idea of a cbdc is terrifiying. One gov to control all your finances. We already saw what happened with the truckers in Canada and that wasn’t even centralised banking. There wouldn’t be anywhere in the world you could run to. They freeze your account and you’re done.
10-02-2022, 03:50 PM
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Small US pilot programs started in late spring 2021:I don't think anything good can come from CBDC. If it happens the USA will be the slowest to adopt IMO because here we actually care about freedom and won't just bend to whatever bullchit mandates the globalists impose.. hopefully.
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https://www.reuters.com/business/fin...ts-2021-05-03/
White House got the ball rolling back in March. I made a big thread about it around then.
Link:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...igital-assets/
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Most of the assignments are due in October/November this year.
The current press is that the USDC is set to roll out May 2023.

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ETA: I suspect this is why they are cracking down on allowing banks to release paper money to the public.
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Originally Posted By kengriffeyjr24⏩
This. All about timing. If the OP of the 2008 didn’t affect me was a kid, and parents well established, then yeah, probably not affected.what? I graduated right after the financial crisis and it was extremely hard for people to find jobs. I'd say more than half my peers had to take a a year or longer to find a job, many taking minimum wage jobs. It took years for many to find something that wasn't min wage.
had family members under water on their homes and they were forced to raise growing families in tiny townhomes they bought until price finally went up (about 10 years later.....)
had family members under water on their homes and they were forced to raise growing families in tiny townhomes they bought until price finally went up (about 10 years later.....)
But ppl who graduated in 2009 had the course of their careers changed. No jobs. A lost generation in finance. Lots of ppl lost their jobs. Some ppl forced into early retirement. It fukked a lot of ppl who were in vulnerable positions.
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Originally Posted By plsmire⏩
Increased unemployment. Period.2008 “crisis” had 0 effect on me, parents and friends.
Economists, educate me on the implications of financial crisis stemming from this for the average person?
Economists, educate me on the implications of financial crisis stemming from this for the average person?
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Credit Suisse will not go bust this week. I'll take a life ban if it does. Too much capital, too much government support, too much derisking in recent times.
If it does not go bust, one of the paniccels ITT step up and and take a ban.
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If it does not go bust, one of the paniccels ITT step up and and take a ban.
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Originally Posted By janglingjack⏩
Credit Suisse will not go bust this week. I'll take a life ban if it does. Too much capital, too much government support, too much derisking in recent times.
If it does not go bust, one of the paniccels ITT step up and and take a ban.
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If it does not go bust, one of the paniccels ITT step up and and take a ban.
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Originally Posted By imbored205⏩
Until that fails too?we just need to let the banks fail and usher in a new world order with a single digital currency
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financial doomers have been talking about this **** on the misc forever. Every year its the same. no doubt the same doomers were saying we're all ****ed as covid started. probably the same morons talking about peak oil crisis 10 years ago.
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Originally Posted By MuayThailand⏩
We WERE doomed when Covid started. This is it. It was just temporarily delayed by giant government borrowing, insane money printing and zero % interest rates. But the bill was always going to have to be paid at some point.financial doomers have been talking about this **** on the misc forever. Every year its the same. no doubt the same doomers were saying we're all ****ed as covid started. probably the same morons talking about peak oil crisis 10 years ago.
10-03-2022, 02:29 AM
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well no one knows....what im doing now is.... using 25% of my bank account to buy physical gold another 25% real estate "planning to get this soon https://apxnproperty.com/product/2-31-acres-klamath-county-oregon-r471821/"
and im leaving 50% around
and im leaving 50% around
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