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» Messi is probably the most over-rated player ever.
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post 1671582993 11-22-2022, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted By Tuga88
Messi has been so far below his top level for a good 5-6 years. In that time he literally has disappeared in 90% of any big game he's played in but the media narrative is so strong that its literally brainwashed people into believing he's still at some GOAT conversation level. Even better its whenever his team flops "aw the team sucks, Messi can't carry them every game" and if they win "Messi GOAT omg!!".

This is summed up by him moving to some weak league into a stacked team and with those conditions having a pathetic season, arguably one of the biggest flops in football history but ofc the media will never tell you that.
He was the best player in the world by far in 2018 and 2019 when he won his balon d or bro. He also won copa ameirca 2021 by being the top scorer, top assister, and MVP of the tournament.

To say he has been far below his top level in the last 5/6 years is a big reach, only last season he was way worse than his normal self but hes back at it this season, being one of the best in the world at freakin 35. People are just basing this threads opinions on todays game even if he was actually the best player in the pitch according to whoscored and other rating sites.


Messi this season, which is also pretty much the same for every year since 2008:



"The flowers bloom, then wither... The stars shine and one day become extinct. This earth, the sun, the galaxies and even the big universe, someday will be destroyed. Compared with that, the human life is only a blink, just a little time. In that short time - people are born, laugh, cry, fight, are injured, feel joy, sadness, hate someone, love someone. All in just a moment. And then, are embraced by the eternal sleep called death."
post 1671583583 11-22-2022, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted By 4everalone
Bro look at Portugals run in Euro 2016 and tell me those teams were better than the opposition at Copa America. Portugal drew every game in a group with Austra, Hungary & Iceland. They also needed penalties to beat Poland. «That Wales game» bro Wales is a tiny footballing nation. France were heavy favorites for a reason.

Messi has toyed with teams in knockout stages & finals. I agree Ronaldo is the best clutch player for the big occasion tho. Messi did score more League goals & won more League titles tho which i dont see you take into consideration.

If Ronaldo is the GOAT & only has slightly better stats than Messi then Messi sure must be #2 right?



Its crazy how they just give him a balon dor If no One Else really stands out. 2021 is a great example of that. Same with 2010. Its like he is the default winner because he is regarded as «best in the world» & another player would need a truly remarkable season in order to win it. Ronaldo deserved every single balon dor he got 100%. He even got robbed in 2018 when Modric for some reason won it. Yeah he went to the final with Croatia but had an easy run, got crushed in the final & wasnt really the stand out player as the whole team was good collectively. Meanwhile Ronaldo bagged a CL for Real being clutch in every knockout game.
Euros > Copa America always. What also matters is leadership. Look at Ronaldo's passion, his desire to win, even on the sidelines during the final. When things get hard for Messi he crumbles. 2018 against France, he did nothing, only celebrated when Di Maria scored.

Messi and R9 are the two best dribblers of all time. But to win a game? I'd take cr7.
Xavi/Iniesta/Busquets - imagine if Cr7 had them.

Statboys always say Messi is better per capita than Ronaldo. I don't think cr7 is the GOAT, but his up there, same with Messi.
Halaand is amazing, on track for GOAT convo. But if he chokes in big games - it won't matter. Not saying Messi always chokes but blaming Messi not winning a WC on Higuain? lol. Where was that 5 man dribble, fake shot, turn, top corner left shot that he does to defenders in La Liga who he has been playing against since he was 11.
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