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Originally Posted By stupid000⏩

I think the bigger problem is if you want funding for your research you need to be going with the agenda otherwise you don't get the funding. If you're not going with the agenda you don't get the money and if your able to do some research and it goes against the agenda it gets buried, then people like wincel get brainwashed and help ruin the world en masse.

This is a major factor.

Originally Posted By roosky11⏩

The next biggest threat barring a natural disaster is the Earth's magnetic poles shifting their polarity. Think of it as reversing the current on a battery, + changes to - and - to +. When this happens warmer places become cooled and cooler places become warm. There's also a brief period of time where Earth's atmosphere is almost non existent.

Right. Climate change [not caused by normal human activity], magnetic pole shift, giant rock from space, direct hit with some sort of cosmic ray...these are all things which could screw current life on the planet which we can't do much about.

I understand your disbelief wincel. You want to keep your faith in science; that it is an empirical truth that you can believe in.

But just like religions or political ideologies there is no purity because humans are imperfect, self-interested, and prone to biases.

Do you know the story of lab mice? I think that I first heard it maybe 3 years ago.

- everything gives you cancer

- Bret Weinstein figured out that the mice used by labs had been raised in such a way as to make them more prone to cancer than wild mice

- when he approached established scientists about it mostly they dismissed him while one dismissed him and then stole his work by taking his hypothesis and expanding on it for publication

- all the old studies done with the cancer prone mice? unrevised and still out there with no caveat that said studies used "cancer mice"

For all I know the cancer prone mice are continuing to be used for lab work which is then used to guide policy and treatment for humans.



The CO2 "greenhouse gas" model has been established as dogma and scientists who speak against it are muted.



You might want to check out the Winter Gatekeeper hypothesis:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/10/...er-hypothesis/

The effect of solar activity on the polar vortex, first reported by Karin Labitzke in 1987, is better understood. There is now considerable evidence that solar activity affects the state of the polar vortex. The mechanism, which was already proposed in the 1970s, is called “Planetary Wave Feedback” (Gray et al. 2010). The amount of energy and momentum impinging on the polar vortex depends on the state of the stratosphere which is affected by solar activity. During periods of low solar activity, more energy is delivered, perturbing the polar vortex, which is more stable under high solar activity. The stability of the polar vortex is of fundamental importance for the winter climate of the Northern Hemisphere mid-latitudes and for the amount of energy reaching the Arctic.

The Winter Gatekeeper Hypothesis puts this known solar mechanism into context as part of a more general effect of solar activity on meridional transport through the stratosphere and troposphere from the tropics to the poles. It also shows transport changes affect climate by changing the amount of energy leaving the planet as outgoing longwave radiation in the polar regions.

Or maybe TES's hypothesis that climate change is due to an exothermic cycle:

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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩

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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩

And the pseudo-intellectual completely misses the point of the thread, while trying to appear intellectually superior to everyone else.

Talk to me, what is the point? Can you refute or engage any of my points? I would say the OP of this thread is a prime example of what I was saying.

I would add that humans need to adjust their lifestyle if they want to minimise the drastic consequences of our actions, so yes that could mean taxes or that certain things get more expensive. If you consider that left wing go ahead. It may make you feel good to be told how climate change is fake and we shouldn't change and everything is fine, but you're just in denial. Ignorance is bliss as they say.

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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩

Please re-read OP.

And thanks for confirming that ignorance is bliss. Your ignorance certainly seems to be.

I did and my question remains. Suppose I'm so ignorant, then it would be super easy for you to enlighten or correct me right? I would be glad to hear it.

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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩

Good for you to recognize all this.

Now go back in your government provided skybox that you're not allowed to leave, own nothing, eat your bugs, and be happy.

You are scared and I understand, I would also love for humanity to carry on the way we have and nothing to change, but reality is unfortunately different. You have chosen to dig your head in the sand because the alternative is uncomfortable for you. That is the action of a weak person.

I would never want to eat insects, they don't seem appetising. Yet I can still see the empirical FACT that they have less of an environmental impact per calorie of energy than say beef.

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Originally Posted By Garfeel⏩

The earth's climate changes naturally, it goes through different phases, albeit extremely slowly.Scientists have discovered that we humans have distorted this natural process so much, that a lot of changes that normally happen over the span of thousands of years or more are now happening orders of magnitude faster. Some of the consequences of this are known and have already started taking effect, but there's also things scientists don't know because it's hard to predict some things due to their chaotic behaviour (i.e. sensitivity to initial conditions). Humans are knocking the earth and its dynamical processes significantly off balance.

So yes, humans bear the majority of the responsibility for this fast of a temperature rise.

Have you looked for or into opposing viewpoints though? I've seen the many citations that climate is presently changing "10X faster than average". And we humans think we are the main characters of the story. But what if we aren't though? What if there really is a cycle of roughly 12,000 years?



















More here:
https://history.aip.org/climate/rapid.htm

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A single hypothesis came to dominate the field [uniformitarianis over catastrophism]and thereafter evidence that didn't support that hypothesis was discarded or downplayed as a fluke.

It is a very long article.

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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩

And the pseudo-intellectual, when confronted with his ignorance, and having nothing of substance as an argument to the topic at hand, resorts to textbook strawman.

Keep being the useful idiot you are, that's all you can amount to be at your intellectual level.

Sounds like projection, so far you have said nothing of substance but insults towards me and continue to do so.

Originally Posted By Anachron⏩

He's a typical leftist pseudo-intellectual, just posts MSM talking points because it makes him feel intellectually superior.

First of all, I'm not leftist, in fact I voted for a center-right party previous elections here. MSM talking points to make me feel intellectually superior? Lol, the talking points I'm using come from empirical science. You keep mentioning a disparity of intellect when it is not relevant to any discussion we have had. Curious.

Originally Posted By Anachron⏩

The fact is, he doesn't even get what the topic is about.

Hint : It's not about climate change.

I get what it's about, politicisation of empirical facts to seize control and I understand the fear. Like I said, there are always interests that stand to benefit from any move.

But the fact that you think we should do nothing against climate change so as to not give power to "the leftists" is tragic. Why does it have to be political to want to keep our planet habitable and in a good state?

Remaining fearful of those who want to seize control does not disallow the act of trying to save the planet.

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