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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
How convenient…
Is it surprising though? How many underground cities have been discovered? Quite a few at this point.

I live in Hawaii, I've seen the coasts here change within my life time. Many houses on the coasts used to be 100's of yards from the ocean line. Now the water is up to some of these houses.

Drastic change in a relatively short amount of time.
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Originally Posted By bicmane123⏩
Is it surprising though? How many underground cities have been discovered? Quite a few at this point.

I live in Hawaii, I've seen the coasts here change within my life time. Many houses on the coasts used to be 100's of yards from the ocean line. Now the water is up to some of these houses.

Drastic change in a relatively short amount of time.
We know the areas of the world that the end of the ice age submerged underwater, why hasnt anyone found the ruins of these advanced civilizations? Surely they must have built some huge pyramids down there…


Grahams entire premise is that the humans from the mesolithic era couldnt have built some stone monuments. Why the fuk not? And then his conclusions there is that just because science cant 100% explain exactly how something was built, it must be an ancient advanced society who moved **** with sound.


Its entertainment. Leave it at that lol.
post 1672352113 12-06-2022, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted By bicmane123⏩
Anyone else think humans were very advanced before the ice age and built the pyramids and all those other huge unexplained structures around the world?

then a global mass catastrophe happened at some point and wiped out most of humanity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a73lTcPAQfQ
I think it's possible.

I think in over 400 million years of life on Earth there could have been other types of intelligent beings that made civilizations on Earth.

There is no reason why some creature in all of that time wouldn't need to develop speech and thinking abstract thoughts in order to survive.

In recent times, say 100k years ago, an advanced civilization could have existed.

However, the people in the media now talking about it don't have much proof.

I don't think there's a way to find it either.

Maybe the civilization is two miles under London or NYC city so we will never ever find it.

Humans:

It makes sense that humans would have been able to all the same stuff we could, 100k years ago.

However, I was watching a video on youtube from this cranky honest British guy that made me think.

He generally thinks black people, etc are not smart. He's not mad about it, but just points out all others, except white people, have never done anything in life for the millions of years they have been on Earth.

It's his belief is that modern white people are a hybrid of Neanderthals and African type humans. That doesn't mean black people but the people who supposedly wandered out of Africa.

He believes that both groups were stupid until they mated. So, the human-neanderthal hybrid people were and are freakishly smart.

That's the reason why modern civilization pretty much just started like 10 or 20 thousand years ago. The smart hybrids had to build in number and get to work organizing themselves.

So, it could be that people a 100k years ago were just too stupid to do anything and only about 30 0r 40k years ago did the real humans emerge.

That would also mean the rest of the humans on Earth now are cave people more than humans.
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
Grahams entire premise is that the humans from the mesolithic era couldnt have built some stone monuments. Why the fuk not? And then his conclusions there is that just because science cant 100% explain exactly how something was built, it must be an ancient advanced society who moved **** with sound.


l.
I see you didn’t watch the show. Never says anything about moving stuff with sound. His premise is that the alleged early hunter gatherers didn’t just wake up one day and know how to lift 2 ton stones to form giant structures that were perfectly aligned with stars etc. The mainstream progression of caveman > hunter gatherer > etc just doesn’t fit the timeline of what we have found. It would have taken a civilization hundreds or thousands of years to learn how to do something like this but there is no artifacts showing any kind of progression. And several very similar types of structures pointing at the same stars, but thousands of miles apart.
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post 1672352543 12-06-2022, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
Humans:

It makes sense that humans would have been able to all the same stuff we could, 100k years ago.

However, I was watching a video on youtube from this cranky honest British guy that made me think.

He generally thinks black people, etc are not smart. He's not mad about it, but just points out all others, except white people, have never done anything in life for the millions of years they have been on Earth.

It's his belief is that modern white people are a hybrid of Neanderthals and African type humans. That doesn't mean black people but the people who supposedly wandered out of Africa.

He believes that both groups were stupid until they mated. So, the human-neanderthal hybrid people were and are freakishly smart.

That's the reason why modern civilization pretty much just started like 10 or 20 thousand years ago. The smart hybrids had to build in number and get to work organizing themselves.

So, it could be that people a 100k years ago were just too stupid to do anything and only about 30 0r 40k years ago did the real humans emerge.

That would also mean the rest of the humans on Earth now are cave people more than humans.
Hugh wot m8?

As humans spread north into colder climates they had to prepare every year or starve to death. Look at the colonists in Jamestown just a few hundred years ago. Most of them starved because they didn't know how to survive off the land. The dumbest and weakest die off leaving you with a relatively smart and hardy population. It's just natural selection. Surviving in a harsh climate is not easy. Vs in Africa where any idiot could spear some wild game or eat some wild fruit any time of the year and never have to worry about saving up for a rainy day.
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post 1672352753 12-06-2022, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted By desslok⏩
I see you didn’t watch the show. Never says anything about moving stuff with sound. His premise is that the alleged early hunter gatherers didn’t just wake up one day and know how to lift 2 ton stones to form giant structures that were perfectly aligned with stars etc. The mainstream progression of caveman > hunter gatherer > etc just doesn’t fit the timeline of what we have found. It would have taken a civilization hundreds or thousands of years to learn how to do something like this but there is no artifacts showing any kind of progression.
Lol not only have i watched the show, ive listened to like 3 of his podcasts on jre where he went into all of this. His answer to why no tools have been found: moving shiet with sound or something spiritual like that, and the reason we dont understand is because we only know technology which provides mechanical advantage… why is there no written proof or art? Simple according to graham, this advanced civilization preferred to pass stuff on in living memory banks…


And why couldnt they exactly? Why do you need hundreds of thousands of years to learn move large stones? Anatomically modern humans living in that time werent chimpanzees you know.. you had entire societies using their surplus time to work together for a singular goal of moving stones and this is somehow unbelievable?


I dont dislike graham, i enjoy listening to his stuff as entertainment same as i used to like watching the ancient aliens show.
post 1672352903 12-06-2022, 03:01 PM
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How advanced are we talking here. What tech you think they used?
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
And why couldnt they exactly? Why do you need hundreds of thousands of years to learn move large stones? Anatomically modern humans living in that time werent chimpanzees you know.. you had entire societies using their surplus time to work together for a singular goal of moving stones and this is somehow unbelievable?
What they had were wars and slaves. That's about it. With enough slaves they could build pyramids. But lose a war to another power and guess what, now you can't control your slaves. They revolt, or the more powerful civilization just burns you to the ground. All that time effort and history is lost forever. Happened all the time, which is why civilizations didn't really flourish until Rome.
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
And why couldnt they exactly? Why do you need hundreds of thousands of years to learn move large stones? Anatomically modern humans living in that time werent chimpanzees you know.. you had entire societies using their surplus time to work together for a singular goal of moving stones and this is somehow unbelievable?
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The point is that when they excavate these sites, they find these really cool megolitic structures, but nothing else around. You would kind of expect to find some things leading up to this. Its kind of like if you dug up a AR-15, but there was no progression from blackpowder rifles and flintlocks etc. you would kind of wonder how they just suddenly invented such advanced tech overnight without experimenting or anything. And it was supposedly a group of hunter gatherers.
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Originally Posted By Kev1972⏩
What they had were wars and slaves. That's about it. With enough slaves they could build pyramids. But lose a war to another power and guess what, now you can't control your slaves. They revolt, or the more powerful civilization just burns you to the ground. All that time effort and history is lost forever. Happened all the time, which is why civilizations didn't really flourish until Rome.
they have records of payments and contracts for the pyramids for labour and material.

also type in Uruk into google. 4k years before rome.


post 1672353643 12-06-2022, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted By desslok⏩
The point is that when they excavate these sites, they find these really cool megolitic structures, but nothing else around. You would kind of expect to find some things leading up to this. Its kind of like if you dug up a AR-15, but there was no progression from blackpowder rifles and flintlocks etc. you would kind of wonder how they just suddenly invented such advanced tech overnight without experimenting or anything. And it was supposedly a group of hunter gatherers.
Because anything besides the giant rocks has long been stolen? Even the marble coatings have been stolen off the pyramids. People didn't care about preservation very much before the past century.

They have found workers burial sites with lots of artifacts and tools used in construction. Even some papyrus notes dealing with construction.
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post 1672353773 12-06-2022, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted By Kev1972⏩
Because anything besides the giant rocks has long been stolen? Even the marble coatings have been stolen off the pyramids. People didn't care about preservation very much before the past century.
Hell, the British used the Sphinx as target practice with their tanks.
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Originally Posted By desslok⏩
The point is that when they excavate these sites, they find these really cool megolitic structures, but nothing else around. You would kind of expect to find some things leading up to this. Its kind of like if you dug up a AR-15, but there was no progression from blackpowder rifles and flintlocks etc. you would kind of wonder how they just suddenly invented such advanced tech overnight without experimenting or anything. And it was supposedly a group of hunter gatherers.
moving stones is nothing like going from a flintlock to a modern rifle lol... do you want to see a linear progression moving 1kg stone then 5kg stone until it hits 10 tons? what are you expecting exactly? moving a 1 ton rock and moving a 20 ton rock doesnt require advancement in technology.

ironically graham does not doubt at all stonehenge, a structure with even heavier 30 ton stones which were moved by a hunter gatherer society.
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They exist and they are secretly making sure earth is okay.
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Nope

Archaeologists will argue with each other over the use of a clay pot yet for some reason have all decided to ignore what would be the greatest archeological discovery this century? why?
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
And why couldnt they exactly? Why do you need hundreds of thousands of years to learn move large stones? Anatomically modern humans living in that time werent chimpanzees you know.. you had entire societies using their surplus time to work together for a singular goal of moving stones and this is somehow unbelievable?
I heard a good explanation for this.

Their technology was advanced in a different way or path than ours currently.

Our current path of technology is almost completely in line with the path of electricity and power. Which eventually leads to computers, batteries, etc etc.

If you believe in aliens/ufo, which at this point i'm pretty sure is actually a thing. Then you have to realize there are far more advanced forms of technology we can't even comprehend.
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the artwork on ancient structure is pretty compelling that humans did encounter some form of ET or nonhuman intelligent life. It's very odd that the similarities of the art exist in entirely different locations.
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Originally Posted By Kev1972⏩
Hugh wot m8?

As humans spread north into colder climates they had to prepare every year or starve to death. Look at the colonists in Jamestown just a few hundred years ago. Most of them starved because they didn't know how to survive off the land. The dumbest and weakest die off leaving you with a relatively smart and hardy population. It's just natural selection. Surviving in a harsh climate is not easy. Vs in Africa where any idiot could spear some wild game or eat some wild fruit any time of the year and never have to worry about saving up for a rainy day.
People spread out across Europe about 20 thousand years ago.

I don't think that's enough to cause an evolutionary shift in brain size and evolve a totally new kind of person.

The Native Americans are Asian people who got to North America about 12,000 years ago. They changed mildly in physical appearance did absolutely nothing to adapt to the climate.

North America is WAY harsher than Europe and it did not change Native Americans at all intellectually.

In addition, I was discussing what a guy on youtube proposed.

It seems to have some merit, maybe the combination of humans and neanderthals created a new smart breed of people.

That has happened with breeds of dogs for instance, so why not humans?
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Absolutely. Randall Carlson is a geologists who talks about an apocalyptic event 12000 years ago. If it hit us modern day, there would be nothing left of our civilization besides maybe Mount Rushmore. It don't buy that modern humans were hunter gatherers for 100,000+ years and then we became civilized just 4000 years ago.
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I like to think that a highly advanced society was common place, like it is today.

Difference is they went a different route than we did. Sort of lik ethe flintstones where they progressed with stones like we have with electronics and the like.

every bit as advanced in their own way, of course they werent watching tv and computers and such but still highly advanced.

Something happened to the earth and over a thousand years or so those societies died out. Could have been a flood or the like which was most likely related to an ice age or cosmic event.

About the same time lots of large animals dead out like sabre tooth cats and giant ass sloths and the like so something in the food chain had to have broken down for at least 100 or so years if not more and never came back.

Thinking its a food chain related thing again goes back to the weather or atmosphere somehow not being able to support that sort of life.

Man was swept up in the disaster as well. It had to have taken a long slow time too because short term things we would just rebound from. So you have to assume it took like100 years or so which would be plenty of time to basically rewrite history.

We since then have advanced in a different way. Would explain why we cant move giant rocks and they could and the like. Just had a different way of thinking.

Also think international travel was a thing. No reason to think that ships werent travelling the oceans as much then as they seem to have been for years now. You have to think that like 99.9 % of all ships every put to sea have sunk or will sink at some point so of course there is no evidence left.

How much stuff from 1000 years ago is right under our feet here in America? Very little that we know about,. A few supposed indian things but thats it. Now how about 10 or 20k years ago. Practically nothing.
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