Depends entirely on the piece of cloth - currently wearing 100% cotton t-shirt that cost $20 AUD - if it had a branding on it it could cost from $60 to $600.

Now if you're talking about a proper tailored, three piece suit that cost 700-800, even over $1000 dollars, than we can take this into consideration, but a cheap cotton t-shirt will make do, 99.99% of the time.

Material, stitching, rework-ability (with shoes) all matter in terms of quality and longevity. Might want to start by learning the basics of materials. Take leather, for example. Learn the difference between genuine leather, top grain, full grain, etc. Leave brands and logos to suburban housewives and spoiled teenagers. You need to know what you are buying, and why it is more valuable than other things.

How many clothes do you need? I would not mind a nice source for white tailored shirts since they dull color over time.

I agree with all of this, however, I do wonder, how many people buy boots/shoes that can be rebuilt, but actually have them rebuilt? How common are cobblers and what areas? I have two pair of boots currently, both custom, but they were made several hours away. Never even looked to see if there was a cobbler in the area, as I haven’t needed them resoled yet.

nah brah

Seems like all thr cheap sh*t washes and dries easy and never gets anything on it and is always clean.

All the most expensive sh*t, I get permanent ink on it day one. Happens every time.

Depends on the item.

I won't pay 100 for a plain t shirt since every company makes plain t shirts

But I'll gladly pay 500 for dress shoes cause i can spot cheap **** a mile away. Faux leather, cemented on, derbys are an easy tell

I have one nearby, but that might just be dumb luck. I’ve done it a few times with some old pairs of Allen Edmonds shoes (reasonably priced for what they are, as mentioned by a poster above). They come back feeling broken in and comfortable, while being about as strong as they were new. Not a bad experience if you ask me.

Allen edmonds is ugly af. Looks like they use a loaf of bread for a last

For clothes not really but for shoes that you can get recobbled and resoled I absolutely think that would be an investment, rather than spending $100-150 for dress shoes/boots, might as well splurge a little bit more and get something that would last longer

Lol they aren’t that bad. What are you comparing them to, John Lobb or something?

100% - Just lmao @ H&M. Poverty status.

Wearing American Giant cotton crewneck sweatshirt and AG t-shirt w/ Levi's raw jeans - THAT FIT!!!

Not only am I super comfy, I can literally go anywhere and despite being casual asf - be one of the more put together people.

Will rephrase, bear with me.

Food, clothing, shelter, right? If we have no food, any food will do. Same goes for shelter, same goes for clothing.

Not only do we have all those essentials, we actually have the freedom of choice, or rather the burden of choice, because we can't actually choose not to choose, we must make a choice whatever it may be. Inherent to choice is quality, as in what we choose to eat, where to live and what to wear. The ability to choose moves us up the hierarchy, and the quality of choices moves us up even more.

Literally the only thing we have any control over in our lives, and in the whole world for that matter, is our choices, so we are defined by our choices and one of them is what to wear.

A miscer might say who cares about clothes, they don't define me. Maybe not consciously to them or those around them, because their experience reflects their own values and priorities, and clothes aren't one of them. In the grand scheme however the sentiment 'who cares about clothes' in itself defines part of them.

Anyway, fashion isn't necessarily about being fashionable or flexing or status or trends, that's up to the individual. Fashion is simply what you choose to wear, and if you have an interest in fashion you will probably invest thought and attention and maybe money into what you choose to wear. That can set you apart.

Practically speaking, buying cheap clothes limits you to a) decently made boring chit or b) chittily made interesting chit.

Spend a bit more and you have two choices again a) well made boring chit or b) well made interesting chit, if you choose wisely.

Just like we can go to McDonald's, we can go to H&M. McDonald's is cheap, but nobody ever said it's good value, that's a different proposition. Sort of like H&M - a cheap solution to a short term problem. They even call it fast fashion.

With a bit of planning, knowledge, creativity, insight, whatever, you can avoid McDonald's/H&M and have better for the same cost, and that will affect your quality of life. Add a bit more money to the knowledge and insight etc and suddenly you have all sorts of options and new levels of quality.

With knowledge and insight and aesthetic sense and the ability to recognise quality, you can put yourself forward to an aesthetic standard that is the stylistic equivalent of 3 plate bench/4 plate squat/5 plate dead.

That doesn't mean high-key, smelling salts, Met-Rx stringer, mohawk, slap you in the face 3/4/5 plates (again that's up to the individual), it could be subtle and effortless, and that is where quality comes in. It's down to the individual.

Anyway, if you have a personal appreciation for aesthetics and quality and can afford it, then pursue it. A bonus is that there are others out there on the same wavelength who will share the appreciation, and your pursuit of it will naturally open them up to you, which might lead to valuable connections and experiences (moving up the hierarchy again). It could also get you laid.

+1 for the ABC lulus

will say the Nike and Under Armour golf pants are also very flattering and flexible material. very comfy as well.

A lot of men—especially in the United States—dismiss personal style and taste as the exclusive domain of the metrosexual, the feminine, and the gay.

Real men don’t care about clothes, decor, or beauty, they’ll tell themselves between heated discussions about their fantasy football lineups. That stuff is for chicks and guys who like dicks!

There’s no other way to put it: men who think this way are penis pilots destined for failure and loneliness.

For many of you younger guys, it’s not your fault. Notions of masculinity have been tossed around like a ping-pong ball in a hurricane for the last fifty years. How can we expect you to have any idea what to do or how to do it when sexual and social mores keep changing and you get so many mixed messages from the media?

So let’s not talk about the last fifty years of social development; let’s talk about the last fifty thousand generations of sexual selection. Across thousands of animal species, over the millennia, females have been using the male beauty trait —otherwise known as sexual ornament—as the main signal of genetic quality in selecting their mates. Awesome male style isn’t just a new gay thing; it’s a very ancient straight thing.

In fact, Charles Darwin realized that female choice for beauty and style explains why the males of so many species evolved amazing, intricate physical traits. It’s the male peacock who has all the pretty feathers, for instance. The male cardinal is the bright red one. The male lion has the giant, lush mane. In nature, it’s the men who usually dress up, not the women.

These conspicuous displays evolved to signal to female eyes and brains that the male who possessed them was so fit, strong, and capable that he could easily afford to spend his energy lugging around all this risky, unnecessary bull**** just to get their attention. Sexual ornaments like iridescent feathers and sexy manes
—Jean Cocteau

don’t help the male’s survival, but they do something much more important: they help him attract mates and reproduce.

This principle of attracting mates through conspicuous beauty and style extends into human courtship and mating in every culture. Self-ornamentation with hairstyles, accessories, and special clothing, for instance, is universal across both sexes in all hunter-gatherer tribal peoples and modern cultures and has deep evolutionary roots. Archaeologists found that humans have been ornamenting themselves with red ocher pigments and shell-bead necklaces for at least 90,000 years. Even Neanderthals were ornamenting themselves with cut, notched, polished talons from white-tailed eagles 130,000 years ago. There is even some evidence that our ancestors were selecting mates for their artistic skill in making stone tools since long before we were humans—over 1.5 million years ago.

Women pay a lot more attention than you realize to your stylish sexual ornaments, your artistic and musical skills, your appreciation of beauty, and the whole aesthetic dimension of your life: your grooming, scent, clothes, car, music, furnishings, apartment, Instagram feed, online dating profile, and everything else. All these things are reliable signals to women of who you are and how well you’ve cultivated your other traits—especially your mental health, intelligence, willpower, and empathy. If you neglect all these aesthetic signals just because you think they’re metrosexual, feminine, or gay, you might as well shoot your own dick off; it’s not like you’re going to need it.

Because women instinctively think about your whole appearance, lifestyle, and set of possessions as a work of art, they want everything in your life (body, clothes, car, home) to be stylish, beautiful, creative, clean, and well maintained. They want evidence of taste and thoughtfulness in what you’ve chosen to surround yourself with.

Guys who are good at aesthetic proof understand this and use good taste to guide every decision in their lives: which neighborhood to live in, which restaurant to book for a dinner date, which wine to order, which bedroom candles to buy, which condom to wear. These may seem to be unrelated decisions, but they all add up to form your aesthetic proof.

If you’re still young or a broke-dick college guy who lacks the experience and the means, don’t worry. Developing aesthetic proof isn’t just about buying the right stuff that somebody else has designed; it’s also about what you can do, make, and create. Male creativity and artistic talent are major targets of sexual selection, because they demonstrate so much about how your mind works. Females in many species, for example, choose male mates for their ability to

produce pleasing sounds—as in the bird song, whale song, gibbon song, and human music. Instrumental music is at least thirty-five thousand years old— based on the ages of some ancient bone and ivory flutes discovered in Germany —so women could have been selecting men partly for their musical talent for more than one thousand generations. Your creative activities and achievements in the visual arts, performing arts, literary arts, and science even predict your short-term mating success. Successful male artists have both more sexual partners and longer-term sexual relationships.

That should tell you all you need to know really: whether you just want to get laid or get married, having some demonstrable personal style, creative abilities, and aesthetic appreciation puts you way ahead of all those bros who think of “the arts” as mysterious, pretentious fields that only women and gay men appreciate.

Plainly put: A high level of aesthetic proof doesn’t make you a pussy; it drowns you in it.

I've had calvin klein jeans for 4 years and the shspe/ color have hardly changed

Worth it

I ONLY shop at banana republic. BEST clothes one can buy (srs) they are fantastic.

not sure about white shoes they can be aesthetic i don't understand how you can hate on something so simple

also loud patterns are easily pulled off if you are confident and wear it well
check these ones out for quality pieces

brunello cucinelli
loro piana
thom browne
canali
tom ford
kiton

Kiton is a good example of spending money for the sake of spending money and what people imagine the truth to be when they dispute whether it's worth buying expensive clothes
Brunello Cucinelli is a good example of paying a premium for uncompromising perfection in design, material, construction all at once. Provided you can afford it, meaning you make money faster than you can spend it.

Reminds me of 8 years ago when I got negged for mentioning ann demeulemeester in a tshirt recommendation thread. The neg just said 'stupid' lol.

Jeans and shoes/boots yes. Shirts no. Spend the shirt money on a good single malt scotch

I don’t even know any of those brands lol

My favorite high end brands are Scotch and Soda shorts, Rodd and Gunn shirts, AG or Rag and Bones pants…

For ED wear I’ll just rock some Levi’s or Michael Kores with a clean white T.

Check out Buck Mason for mid to high grade handmade clothing.

Why single malt? There's such a huge premium on single malts which are blends anyway unless single cask which = even higher premium. These days I'm liking blends for outright qpr.

Yea bruh single malts are blends from one distillery tho. They tend to be a bit more consistent through batches, compared to regular blended scotch. Love me some single cask tho. I cut back drinking big time but been on a Johnny 18 kick for a casual supper, but I’m a big Tomatin, Glendronach and Bunnahabhain fan.

Agreed bunnahabhain is good chit, tomatin well priced.

I buy clothes that are indestructible and last for decades.

For instance, I wear hiking pants to work a lot, and the pairs I have look like I just bought them but they are probably 15 years old or more.

They are about 80 dollars a pair but if you figure the cost per year, they are nothing.

Yea bruh the 18 for the price tag is hard to beat

Damn. Buck Mason has a winter shirt that’s cashmere and wool for about $400-500, but you can buy their hand made Ts for about $40-50. They are soft AF and look good. no logos on any of their stuff that I have seen. Just good American made clothing. 50% of my Ts are from them I and highly recommend them for anyone looking for quality without the price tag of a label. I’ve had them for a few years now and no issues.

https://www.buckmason.com/collection...rt-sleeve-tees

White shirts are easy, you can soak in oxy clean to get them back to brilliant white, and if that doesn't work treat them with rit colour remover. A $150 white eton dress shirt could theoretically last a lifetime.