Seen them lose weight, get into a gym with a trainer, start dressing nice(r), start to go out and meet people, I saw the transformation even their vibe was different, spending less time on video game and more time just going out and slowly becoming more out going

They're all taken.

I was in the gym by myself yesterday when a 6/10 girl in a pair of tight biker shorts walks in. She turns on a nearby TV to the Super Bowl. I talk with her for like 2 mins, who you got for the game, tailgating was fun in college, chit like that. Went OK.

Then 5 mins later, her 6 ft Chad BF walks in and sits next to her like "sup bby." (real life no misc).

I wasn't even mad. Ofc she's taken. A white sub-40% BF girl in her mid 20s is going to have every guy with a functioning dik crawling all over her - that's the game.

You having limited experience and mainly encountering girls who are taken, doesn't translate into "they're all taken." Like I said, there are people older than you here who have no trouble dating single women aged 28 and up. You're smart; use logic.

And yeah, your best bet are the apps, at least for now. Just don't go into it with a toxic mindset.

The problem with the single girls you'd want to meet, is that they stay at home or are armored by their friend group when they go out. So good luck finding or meeting them

Single guys are seen as creepy and dangerous, so you'll have a hard time really getting into their friend groups to meet them

I'm a 3/10 dude. How come even 3/10 women reject me? I know my standards aren't too high when even fat slobs reject me in favor of Chad.

I was at the bar the other day. Talking to this 3/10 fat slob. Convo was going nowhere. Sometime later I peered at her phone and she was on Tinder texting some guy. He was easily a 7/10 Chad. I saw him text "You can come later if you want". Why the fuark is this 7/10 Chad going for this 3/10 chick?

I knew I had no chance after that.

It’s over boyo, sloots are more entitled than ever before

what if ogre look?

if you're losing weight for yourself go for it obviously. but dont do anything if the motivation is for women.

Hell, I realized there's no reason for me to even work anymore. I'm full rot mode. It doesnt matter when you have nobody to impress or no family to ever take care of.

They're not ALL taken, but any woman who wants to be in a relationship can get one so easily that very few women who are alone are looking. Because if they were looking they would find someone in 5 seconds

Because women would rather be alone than be with a low level man. that wasnt the case when we enforced monogamy, marriage, and gender roles but now there is zero reason for a woman to be a with a 3/10 man.

the dating market has evaporate for us uglies

Lol no. Women simp for chad and make it easy for him.

If its difficult for you, you arent attractive enough. its that simple

If you're unattractive, this can help get more friends but no women will be attracted to you. You'll still be alone. I've learned this. I do everything socially you're supposed to do but it only leads to more friends(men and women).

there is nothing you can do when you are simply too unattractive.

We need to be honest with men about this. false hope and gaslighting does not end well

Doing this leads nowhere for unattractive guys

This isn't necessarily true either. There has to be chemistry and compatability for a relationship, which can take some time if a woman is looking. If he works on himself solidly for 6 months, and drops the red pill incel attitude, he can get in front of several women who are single and available. And if he meets the looks threshold with a few of them, he'll get dates, which is as far as he should be looking ahead right now.

Inn

no there doesnt. In modern day the woman just has to be attracted to you. then all of a sudden everything else she's looking for, she will find even if its not there or dismiss as unimportant. halo effect.A lot of men will meet the looks threshold if its low enough that he qualifies. He wont get the time of day when she has 100 options

Aim lower.

I have mentioned this to these guys multiple times. There is no way their toxic, desperate, negative, defeatist attitude and low self-esteem aren't leaking over into social interactions and giving off bad vibes. They'll continue to say it's because they're short/ugly as if there aren't plenty of short and relatively unattractive guys in LTRs/married.

Also, this. I don't buy the whole "even the 3/10 women are all banging Chad" nonsense. When I see "Chads" out places, they are basically always with 7+/10 girls. I absolutely do not believe that when they get time to themselves, they are trolling for uglies and whales on dating apps instead of just smashing the beautiful girls they are in relationships with or at least have easy access to. Doesn't make any sense at all. I could easily get an infinite number of 3/10s, but I don't want to, and I'm not even at some kind of male model level of attractiveness.

I've said this many times. It's a myth they've completely made up to rationalize their own failures. Unless, of course, what they're rating as a 3 woman is actually a 6.5, which might also be the case, given certain incels and high standards.

Because of rising female standards there are fewer women willing to settle for short/ugly men than ever before. it still happens but before there were way more women willingly to settle.

Nowadays, alot of women prefer to be alone or fuk hawt guyz until they're 45. you cant dismiss this reality

3/10 women arent banging chads.

3/10 women are either banging 5 and 6/10 guys, or staying alone.

a 3/10 man has no options when a 3/10 woman is aiming higher or preferring to stay single.

Don't know brah, I mean there are some pretty desperate women out there.

I mean there is hope...

they're desperate because they have high standards and cant get who they want.

A 'Desperate' woman with reasonable standards can have 100 options within a day

They're not even banging 6/10 guys, except maybe very rarely when the dude's wasted and on a dry spell. There are genuine 3s out there for you, lol.

Yep. This.

It's only over if you say it's over.

Fake it till you make it srs. Pretend you're James Bond or something (I did this, srs) and go out. Since you're probably newish at this, go with some buddies who like to party on the weekend. Get into your persona. You're an alpha, international man of mystery. Little things don't get to you, women are your playthings and you get off on teasing them, you enjoy a strong drink, etc.. Really get into it. Strangers know nothing about your past. They will perceive you as however you allow them to. If you're smiling, standing up straight, and looking confident, people will assume you are, even if internally you're fukkin sweating.

Learn to pretend, and then go try out your new persona. This will start to pay off, and you'll start noticing the social strengths inside of yourself that you didn't know you had. Do this this coming Saturday, I implore you.

See bolded.

You need to correct this.

For most people, experience with women occurs naturally and normally, as a part of every day life. But it has not worked out that way for you. I don't really care why and truth be told it doesn't overly matter right now.

The point is things have not worked out "normally" for you, and as such, you gotta strongly consider going about things in ways that are not "normal".

In other words, you are at a stage where you should start considering seeing an escort to A) get some experience with women and B) take some of the pressure off yourself.

You'll still be FA as fuk afterwards, but you'll have made a step forward. You'll know what it's like to feel, kiss and touch a woman. Such things are not to be scoffed at and will generally help you on your journey. Having never done anything with women can weigh heavily, and it gets even heavier the older you get. If you visit an escort you will relieve yourself of this basic burden.

So, my advice to you is, organise a meeting with an escort, and when it's all over, return to your various maxxing efforts and whatever else you're doing.

What I've described is the best and most practical way forwardfor you. I won't call it a solution because it's not, but it's a stepping stone in the right direction.

You need some experience with women, go and get it.

This works. These people out at the bar or whatever don't know you at all. You can reinvent yourself completely every day if you want to. Also, "I'm fawkin Zyzz, brah" before you walk into the place is a nice boost.