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post 1684622383 06-14-2023, 03:39 PM
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Wonder what those basement dwellers did for 2 days while most subs went down. Most of them seem to not have a life outside of Reddit.
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Lol those stupid ***gots are so powerless in this situation that all they can do is impotently keep themselves from enjoying their own content. I’m sure the le Reddit shareholders are weeping at the thought of two whole days of some sub forums being shut down only to go right back up to business as usual.
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Originally Posted By Goat_187⏩
Lol OP is dumb AF.

Subreddits are basically like youtube channels. The creator owns it and does what he likes with it. Its like a youtube channel making all their videos hidden in protest, and your dumb ass saying... "Why doesnt google just get on their channel change their passwords lock them out and set all videos public again"
But the content of the subreddits isn't created by the mods. It's created by the users. The mods are 100% replaceable.
post 1684625073 06-14-2023, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted By yewotm8⏩
But the content of the subreddits isn't created by the mods. It's created by the users. The mods are 100% replaceable.
Correct. In fact, the mods have identical functionality a standard ******** users posting on their own timeline. You start a timeline post, other people can comment. New people can comment on that comment. The initial comment is analogous to a Reddit thread, the comments on that comment are analogous to replies, and your original timeline post is analogous to a subreddit. You are analogous to the subreddit moderator with full control over all threads branching from your timeline post and can ban whoever you want from your profile indiscriminately. The terminology is the only thing that has changed. Reddit Moderators are not analogous to YouTube Creators, they are analogous to basic users of social media platforms.
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post 1684625353 06-14-2023, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted By Chrysippus⏩
The issue is that a bunch of reddit moderators made their subreddits private, right?

Why don't the admins just set all of the subreddits to public and then permaban all of the mods that participated? I think that would be great for the site, a nice clean purge of the worst part of the whole site lmao.

The moderators don't have any real power within the company right? I don't get how this "strike" or "protest" has any real teeth?

The moderators are not actually important or integral to the site's functionality, they are just gay internet nerds with no life, they aren't the site's software engineers lol. They don't matter.

Ban them all, public all subreddits, then assign new mods. Problem solved?

I don't get it?
Yeah it's actually irritating being blocked from all of the niche subs I visit for information/hobby topics.

I thought the strike had something to do with monetizing the app a bit more, but I may very well be mistaken.
post 1684625753 06-14-2023, 04:33 PM
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The mods work for free and have a ton of power which they abuse. One mod oversees over 2000 subreddits. As time went on they would get paid to promote companies since they have so much influence.
Reddit saves a lot of money getting all this free labor while Meta pays millions annually for people to act as moderators for ******** and Instagram.

This API thing forces 3rd party apps such as Apollo and RIF to shutdown because they cannot afford it.
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what's going to happen is, reddit will not cave, then these dorks will turn the sub back on because they have nothing else to do and no source of meaning in their life. then they'll go on feeling like they stuck it to the man, when they utterly failed.
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post 1684625903 06-14-2023, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted By Goat_187⏩
Reddit was mad that AI companies were using the APIs and endless user-created content to teach their AI's.
Correction: *Reddit Inc. made an informed business decision to change their pricing policy for API access, and irrelevant people that don't know anything "got mad" and took out their frustrations destructively on innocent users of the platform because they are autistic children.

If they wanted to protest, they should have just stopped moderating. If that is not effective enough, it means their cause is not sufficiently supported and it is right and good that it is ineffective.

If you were successfully gas lit by the group of reprobrate imbeciles that is Reddit Moderators, then you are even dumber than you enthusiastically advertise yourself to be. This is not the big bad Corporate Reddit vs the userbase, with moderators selflessly leading the charge. It's Reddit Inc. and its userbase VS The Moderators as the sole antagonistic force.

Mark my words. If this does not have an end date, a new moderation model for Reddit should be expected. All the moderators have done through this stunt is revealed their malevolence and destructive nature to the site admins. Now the users, administrators, and shareholders all see the results of this moderation model very clearly, and it has utterly failed.
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post 1684626343 06-14-2023, 04:43 PM
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Because if they did that, people would quit reddit or troll them.

Also, you need to realize most mods use apps to mod. They won't be able to mod with these changes.
post 1684626553 06-14-2023, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted By MiscIQ⏩
Because if they did that, people would quit reddit or troll them.
They started doing it hours after I made this thread, but I'm sure you know something they don't.
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post 1684626613 06-14-2023, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted By Chrysippus⏩
They started doing it hours after I made this thread, but I'm sure you know something they don't.
Well it's a bold move. We will see how it plays out.
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Originally Posted By MiscIQ⏩
Well it's a bold move. We will see how it plays out.
I think that you are vastly overestimating how much allegience the normal Reddit userbase proper has to the comparatively tiny group of moderators. I don't think a normal user would care in any way if site administration unilaterally made subreddits public against the moderators wishes, or did anything that upset moderators, really. Most people just want the platform to function and to be able to use it, and that's that.

You're right though - only time will tell. But it's pretty clear to me how all of this is going to end up playing out.
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post 1684627283 06-14-2023, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted By Chrysippus⏩
I think that you are vastly overestimating how much allegience the normal Reddit userbase proper has to the comparatively tiny group of moderators. I don't think a normal user would care in any way if site administration unilaterally made subreddits public against the moderators wishes, or did anything that upset moderators, really. Most people just want the platform to function and to be able to use it, and that's that.

You're right though - only time will tell. But it's pretty clear to me how all of this is going to end up playing out.
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Originally Posted By Chrysippus⏩
I think that you are vastly overestimating how much allegience the normal Reddit userbase proper has to the comparatively tiny group of moderators. I don't think a normal user would care in any way if site administration unilaterally made subreddits public against the moderators wishes, or did anything that upset moderators, really. Most people just want the platform to function and to be able to use it, and that's that.

You're right though - only time will tell. But it's pretty clear to me how all of this is going to end up playing out.
One issue is modding will become way harder. As a result, reddit will end up becoming a cesspit. Users will look for a new platform. It's not a political decision. The mods need those apps to mod properly. And the apps won't be able to exist properly if reddit fleeces them.
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Originally Posted By MiscIQ⏩
One issue is modding will become way harder. As a result, reddit will end up becoming a cesspit. Users will look for a new platform. It's not a political decision. The mods need those apps to mod properly. And the apps won't be able to exist properly if reddit fleeces them.
I think moderators will find it much easier if they start shifting more of their efforts into actual moderation rather than dedicating any time to policing opinions and wrongthink.

And, in any case, tough ****. If they are not capable of doing it because it is "too hard", then maybe they should pass on those duties to someone more competent.

If Reddit moderators have trouble completing their duties with the tools and functionality that Reddit themselves has provided to them, the most likely explabation is that Reddit moderators have misunderstood what their duties are intended to be.
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post 1684627963 06-14-2023, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted By Chrysippus⏩
I think moderators will find it much easier if they start shifting more of their efforts into actual moderation rather than dedicating any time to policing opinions and wrongthink.

And, in any case, tough ****. If they are not capable of doing it because it is "too hard", then maybe they should pass on those duties to someone more competent.

If Reddit moderators have trouble completing their duties with the tools and functionality that Reddit themselves has provided to them, the most likely explabation is that Reddit moderators have misunderstood what their duties are intended to be.
I guess but considering the scale of reddit moderation, doing it without access to the API seems a lost cause. Reddit will become like 4chan basically, which may be cool again. But there will be a huge number of people who will leave and make a new site.

Reddit basically is the successor to Digg. It can easily be replaced with something else.

And agreed that reddit mods are annoying AF.

I've been banned over the most retarded chit. But not having mods is just going to lead to a bunch of Indian spam trying to sell dick pills or something.
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Originally Posted By MiscIQ⏩
I guess but considering the scale of reddit moderation, doing it without access to the API seems a lost cause. Reddit will become like 4chan basically, which may be cool again. But there will be a huge number of people who will leave and make a new site.

Reddit basically is the successor to Digg. It can easily be replaced with something else.
I don't know where you are reaching these conclusions. There are innumerable other proven moderation models that work excellently. It seems that you are looking at Reddit's current model, and no moderation, as the only two choices. Stackexchange is an easy example of a site with a different moderation model based on collective self-moderation tied to user reputation that suffers from none of the issues of Reddit moderation with higher quality posts and platform health - although I admit that there are other factors at play there. The point is, there are many ways to moderate content in a user-driven fashion besides consolodated autocratic power in the hands of the biggest virgin on the subreddit.
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Originally Posted By MiscIQ⏩
One issue is modding will become way harder. As a result, reddit will end up becoming a cesspit. Users will look for a new platform. It's not a political decision. The mods need those apps to mod properly. And the apps won't be able to exist properly if reddit fleeces them.
when i was reading some stuff before the shutdown people were saying the website already has AI mods. human mods are just a personal touch which can be a good but mostly bad thing because people easily become power hungry and start banning out of feelings instead of rules. Was also saying that it was mostly mods who use 3rd party apps to help them mod.

seems like the mods are just trying to stick it to admins even though they really have no power. meanwhile the general userbase gets annoyed because they have to create accounts (that have to get a approved - which wont) and wait it out. the mods are hurting the community but trying to claim its the admins fault. DUMB
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Originally Posted By Chrysippus⏩
I don't know where you are reaching these conclusions. There are innumerable other proven moderation models that work excellently. It seems that you are looking at Reddit's current model, and no moderation, as the only two choices. Stackexchange is an easy example of a site with a different moderation model based on collective self-moderation tied to user reputation that suffers from none of the issues of Reddit moderation with higher quality posts and platform health - although I admit that there are other factors at play there. The point is, there are many ways to moderate content in a user-driven fashion besides consolodated autocratic power in the hands of the biggest virgin on the subreddit.
Stackexchange is more fragmented and has a MUCH smaller userbase along with a different collection of users. I agree that reddit's moderation system isn't unique. But the scale of reddit is so huge that I don't think any type of moderation that doesn't make use of AI, automation, and/or third party tools with the API will work. Reddit hasn't really put much effort on their end into making the moderation work well. They basically use volunteers to work for them for free. And in fact, the tyrannical system you mentioned probably makes them money and allows political orgs and companies to manipulate perceived opinions. So they probably won't try a better system.

If reddit cared, they could totally do a crowd guided semi automated moderation system and even use AI to kill spam. But they won't.
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Originally Posted By SteadySmokin⏩
when i was reading some stuff before the shutdown people were saying the website already has AI mods. human mods are just a personal touch which can be a good but mostly bad thing because people easily become power hungry and start banning out of feelings instead of rules. Was also saying that it was mostly mods who use 3rd party apps to help them mod.

seems like the mods are just trying to stick it to admins even though they really have no power. meanwhile the general userbase gets annoyed because they have to create accounts (that have to get a approved on some subforms) and wait it out. the mods are hurting the community but trying to claim its the admins fault. DUMB
I mean considering how good ChatGPT is, I don't see why reddit can't have some really good AI mod other than that they choose not to do so...

I guess the more technical reddits will suffer.

r/physics is already a cesspit of disinformation at times because of all the stupid questions and pop sci posts. AI can't catch that.

And I can't imagine what r/medicine will be like without good mods.
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Originally Posted By MiscIQ⏩
I don't think any type of moderation that doesn't make use of AI, automation, and/or third party tools with the API will work.
I don't follow. Anything that can be done via a third party developer through Reddit's API can be trivially done by Reddit themselves as soon as the need arises.
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Originally Posted By Chrysippus⏩
I don't follow. Anything that can be done via a third party developer through Reddit's API can be trivially done by Reddit themselves as soon as the need arises.
It takes time to build that stuff. They could do it eventually. They don't have it rn. Actually, the guy who ran Apollo basically offered to sell his chit to reddit at half price rather than pay the insane fee. But reddit declined.
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Reddit Inc. has ended the malicious attack orchestrated by the gay queer mods agaist the userbase in the obvious way that they were going to as soon as they felt like it.



Clickbait title; backpedals the whole video. Sad to see.



Sure is great not being a god damn retard.
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Originally Posted By Chrysippus⏩
Reddit Inc. has ended the malicious attack orchestrated by the gay queer mods agaist the userbase in the obvious way that they were going to as soon as they felt like it.



Clickbait title; backpedals the whole video. Sad to see.



Sure is great not being a god damn retard.
We will see how it affects modding tho.
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Originally Posted By Chrysippus⏩
Exactly. You reflect 99% of users. Reddit is overwhelmingly used as a vast source of information provided by regular people that has been heavily indexed by top search engines.

The fact that the mods think it is appropriate to abuse their extra permissions to deprive that internet resource from everyone because they aren't going to get to use their mod tools anymore is just really all you need to say about the kind of people they are.The fact that they believe themselves to be in the right and went on this campaign to gaslight the internet and userbase is not surprising at all.

This is a change that has no effect on 99% of users. The people at Reddit (the people at the company, with qualifications, degrees, etc) investigate and analyze the effects that any major change to the platform will have on the user base, and their analysis led them to this API decision. The mods did not do any analysis. They don't know anything. They are petulent children that are upset about losing their third party addons, and then they abused their positions to amplify their fringe niche concern over this API change at the company. Instead of protesting this like a grown adult (stop moderating) they decided to do exactly as a child would do and cause as much inconvenience to as many people as possible while bringing as much attention to themselves as possible. Just ban them all.
Exactly. Fuk those neckbeard losers that made any sub private for this pointless protest that 99.9% of reddit users did not consent to.

Reddit needs to apply a permaban on any account with moderator status on any subs that were made private in the last week, no questions asked.
Originally Posted By niospecv⏩
The mods work for free and have a ton of power which they abuse.One mod oversees over 2000 subreddits. As time went on they would get paid to promote companies since they have so much influence.
Reddit saves a lot of money getting all this free labor while Meta pays millions annually for people to act as moderators for ******** and Instagram.

This API thing forces 3rd party apps such as Apollo and RIF to shutdown because they cannot afford it.
Holy fuk that's sad. The level of pathetic that comes with gaining moderator status over 2000 damn subs is deserving of a permaban in and of itself. Go out and fkn volunteer with a NFP if you have that much time on your hands.
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Reminder that Ghislaine Maxwell was one of the most influential mods on reddit, somehow.

I wonder if there are any other GIGA MOGGERS running things behind the curtain of one of the biggest sites on the internet.
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Lol @ paying for API when you could just crawl through their webpages with http using Beautifulsoup
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Exactly. Fuk those neckbeard losers that made any sub private for this pointless protest that 99.9% of reddit users did not consent to.

Reddit needs to apply a permaban on any account with moderator status on any subs that were made private in the last week, no questions asked.




Holy fuk that's sad. The level of pathetic that comes with gaining moderator status over 2000 damn subs is deserving of a permaban in and of itself. Go out and fkn volunteer with a NFP if you have that much time on your hands.
Half of the mods would off themselves if they lost their status as a mod. It's sad how pathetic they are.
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