I would treat the following miscers to a full service at a massage parlor (Asian vs Latina, their choice)


BBMG
FAPha ggot
Monster0Ultra
Kormo

be attractive
dont be unattractive

OP still miscs nice

Lol'd @ Monster0ultra being included.

It was a joke but you can still do things to make yourself look better. Any more specific advice would have to be tailored to the individual.

Why do you say it isn't helpful? Is it because you've already heard these things, because you think they don't work or because you think it's impossible for you to do them?

Must be tough being trapped in a mental prison of your own making like this for years.

Being unattractive isn't an impossible hurdle to overcome.

-First- and this is important- women are only worth a certain amount of grief. Game will improve your ability to get sex and female companionship. Your ultimate success will depend a lot on things outside your control, however, and you shouldn’t beat yourself up about it. As an American I am forbidden to say you are not able to accomplish anything without enough effort and belief but I’m saying it anyway. George Sodini’s primary problem was thinking to be a valid, happy human being he needed a woman to love him.

Hold to the thought that you want it, but you don’t need it, and you will set limits on what you will do to get it. Put your life and well-being first and take relations with women as a confusing and occasionally frustrating but nonetheless enjoyable adventure, like visiting a country where you don’t speak the language.

Attitude is not everything, but attitude comes first. Now from extremely broad, or actually existential generalities to merely broad generalities.

-Women are not exactly irrational, it’s more that they function according to their own internal logic, which while logical is fundamentally emotional. Game is an attempt to codify this; as with any rational system of analysis and classification, it will have nuances, exceptions, ambiguities, and even mysteries not captured in the system. You can’t read a book about most things and perform them competently, even highly rational things- you need to read the manual, then work with it. Women will always do things you don’t completely understand, so try to learn from every experience. But don’t sweat it too much.

-Closely associated with the first item is the General Rule of interaction with females. Relax, take it easy, be interested, friendly, interesting, but not very interested. You can do nothing with a woman if you are tense or worried. You will probably get tense or worried at times, but if you do just remember to relax.

Why is relaxation important? One, for your own well-being, the most important thing always. Two, because you are never going to know completely what is going on, it is not helpful. Panic, tension, fear, and other unpleasant emotions serve the simple purpose of getting you to either attack a threat or run from it. Neither is often an appropriate response so these emotions are not helpful in these situations.

Gavin DeBecker wrote that fear comes from what we perceive as the negative outcomes of the situation. He cites the widely noted fear of public speaking, and points out that looking bad in front of our social group threatens us with loss of respect, employment, esteem, and other things we need to survive. So being terribly afraid of public speaking isn’t really that strange; but one should remember if you give a bad speech, even a really bad speech, all people are probably going to think is you gave a bad speech. You might even get sympathy!

Fear of interacting with women is thus not that strange but the negative consequences of any encounter are not serious. I will talk more about this later.

-Women will go through a process of evaluating you; it starts from the moment they lay eyes on you and continues until she goes into the bedroom with you. As I have said previously, most of what you need to do is avoid disqualification. As with job interviewing the first, and by far largest, part of the process is to weed out the unsuitable candidates. You need to avoid ****ing up, or as Roissy calls it, ****up Avoidance Game. This kind of trivialization is why I write this; what seems idiotically obvious to a guy who got laid at 15 is not at all apparent to a 30-year-old virgin.

What kind of things are you being evaluated on? Or, more to the point, what kind of things will disqualify you? Again it’s similar to job interviewing. Dress appropriately. Engage in polite small talk as appropriate. Show good behavior with service personnel- the receptionist when you go for a job interview, the waitress on a date. A side note- the concept of social proof applies to any human interaction you have that a woman sees. At a minimum you need to be polite with everyone, especially service personnel; better if they respond positively to you, and it’s great if you can get a laugh. Friendly, joking small talk is generally welcomed because their jobs are boring and most people just want their needs met and show little or no interest in them. You should be interesting but not controversial, show that you have friends and social activities, are not a hermit, have some interesting hobbies, and get along with your family.

It is important to remember she will proceed at the pace she is comfortable with. She will give you her phone number if and when she feels comfortable; will have coffee with you, go to lunch or dinner with you, go back to your place or her place with you, all at her pace. As long as she accepts dates with you you have not disqualified yourself, or she has not disqualified you.

A couple of things occur to me. One, things you do to be attractive and interesting to women- being in decent shape, wearing nice clothing, being employed and living in a decent place, having some social activities, interesting hobbies, and having a civil relationship with your family, are things you should do anyway, for your own benefit, and not for women at all. Two, omegas tend to dislike social interaction, often with good reason, however this leads to not being regularly practiced at interacting with people, being a hermit, and having interests that are not commonly shared and may seem strange to the average person.

-Women will give you signals as to what they want and are ready for. Body language is a simplistic way of describing it. It’s more her overall demeanor. including things like level of muscle tension, tone of voice, degree of closeness to you, and other non-verbal forms of communication. This is the real language of women. I can’t tell you how to read it because I’m at a pretty low level myself.

-The times I have made progress with women was when I had the time and money to devote to it. You really need both. If you have time but no money, you can spend a lot of time practicing basic interaction and preliminary dating but when she finds out you are unemployed, broke and living with your mother she is going to lose interest. If you are in this situation definitely get as many coffee dates as you can though. If you have a job with insane hours you may have money but you won’t have time, so get a job with better work/life balance.

I will assume you are doing the best you can to stay employed and make money. The other time issue is time wasters like the internet and video games. These are fine- you need to do things you enjoy, even if they aren’t cool and won’t get you laid- but you need limit the time spent on things like this and increase the amount spent on improving your life and your interactions with women. Make no mistake, this is very time-consuming. The more phone numbers you get, the more dates you go on, and the more women you have sex with, the better you will get.

No one ever mentions moving. It's alot harder to be incel if you were living in a condo in downtown of a major city then some house in the middle of nowhere in the countryside.

I would treat the following miscers to a full service at a massage parlor (Asian vs Latina, their choice)


BBMG
FAPha ggot
Monster0Ultra
Kormo

Only the misc would try to deny the importance of actually being attractive.

you guys need to just stop

No one in this thread has denied the importance of being attractive. Another strawman; going to the ivy league is an important aspect of being successful, but lol if you think that's all you need to include in a list of attributes that make one successful.

Paying for sex doesn't help their situation. They want to be loved and wanted not have a sentient fleshlight

Imagine you, the 5'8 Timothy reading this wants to be 200lbs single digit bodyfat natty. You kill it in the gym, never miss a workout, nutrition is on point, and so on but you get nowhere close. You turn to the internet for advice. The advice you get is from juicers who say just make sure your calories and macros are correct and lift every once in a while. When you tell them you've done that and it didn't work, they call you a liar and insist that your problem is that you aren't working hard enough and that you have a negative attitude.

The above example is the level of stupid the incel advice here is.

They'll tell you it's because "you didn't do this" or "you didn't do that".... but they'll never flat out say "bro, you're 5'8", you're already handicapped...."

Imagine you, the 5'8 Timothy reading this wants to be 200lbs single digit bodyfat natty. You kill it in the gym, never miss a workout, nutrition is on point, and so on but you get nowhere close. You turn to the internet for advice. The advice you get is from juicers who say just make sure your calories and macros are correct and lift every once in a while. When you tell them you've done that and it didn't work, they call you a liar and insist that your problem is that you aren't working hard enough and that you have a negative attitude.

The above example is the level of stupid the incel advice here is.

Incels don't want advice. BBMG isn't an incel. He's voluntarily celibate. He can get a woman. He just can't get what he wants or expects.

A better example would be a 5'8 guy bitter and spending his life energy complaining that he isn't a 7'0 NBA center. He feels slighted in life. He can't be what he desires and obsesses over why he can't. It completely warps his mind and reality and thinks that because of this he can't even play basketball. What's the point? "I'M ONLY 5'8!" Yells the cuck. When all he had to do the entire time to play basketball is become an extremely good point guard. Is it harder for him? Yes. Is it he going to have to put in more effort? Yes. But at least he's playing basketball and not being a pathetic cuck that sits at home only whining about how he can't get or be what he desires.

BBMG literally said he'll have sex with any woman that was willing.

I'm the same way. I'm an ugly 5'10 indian and I'd do anything for a woman (any woman) to be interested in me. I hit on so many ugly obese woman the past 5 years and they gave me nothing.

No one in this thread has denied the importance of being attractive. Another strawman; going to the ivy league is an important aspect of being successful, but lol if you think that's all you need to include in a list of attributes that make one successful.

Misc constantly denies the importance of being attractive. I have been told 1 million times that it can be easily made up for with some game bro and its not true.

the reality is looks is a BARRIER. If you dont meet it, its over. misc doesnt acknowledge this, because then they will have acknowledge that all these ugly incels are right

Incels don't want advice. BBMG isn't an incel. He's voluntarily celibate. He can get a woman. He just can't get what he wants or expects.

A better example would be a 5'8 guy bitter and spending his life energy complaining that he isn't a 7'0 NBA center. He feels slighted in life. He can't be what he desires and obsesses over why he can't. It completely warps his mind and reality and thinks that because of this he can't even play basketball. What's the point? "I'M ONLY 5'8!" Yells the cuck. When all he had to do the entire time to play basketball is become an extremely good point guard. Is it harder for him? Yes. Is it he going to have to put in more effort? Yes. But at least he's playing basketball and not being a pathetic cuck that sits at home only whining about how he can't get or be what he desires.

If height is such a barrier, why don't you get the limb lengthening surgery like that black dude who went up 7 inches did?

Going from 5'3 to 5'10 would be pretty big

I mean, I literally doesn't matter what you say to them.

It has to be generic because its a catch all that works on all women. Girls aren't a monolith but if I had some more specifics about the girl they were after I could give more specific advice.

Tall, conventionally attractive and charismatic. You don't have to be all 3 but you need to be at least one, preferably 2 of those. Tall is probably the least important of them and really the only one you don't have much control over. You can't change your bone structure but you can dress well and groom yourself in a way that fits whatever style you're going for

Because it is, and regardless of how well intentioned the advice is, it isn't particularly helpful.

I thought the "try your best to be conventionally attractive" was a joke because he basically said "try your best to fall within common beauty standards". Before anyone comes at me, that's literally what "conventionally attractive" means.

Incels don't want advice. BBMG isn't an incel. He's voluntarily celibate. He can get a woman. He just can't get what he wants or expects.

A better example would be a 5'8 guy bitter and spending his life energy complaining that he isn't a 7'0 NBA center. He feels slighted in life. He can't be what he desires and obsesses over why he can't. It completely warps his mind and reality and thinks that because of this he can't even play basketball. What's the point? "I'M ONLY 5'8!" Yells the cuck. When all he had to do the entire time to play basketball is become an extremely good point guard. Is it harder for him? Yes. Is it he going to have to put in more effort? Yes. But at least he's playing basketball and not being a pathetic cuck that sits at home only whining about how he can't get or be what he desires.