Why are you even replying to me? All I did was state the damages are asinine and a mockery of what our "justice" system is supposed to uphold. I never said anything about liability nor does it matter in relation to my argument. Nice attempted strawman and then patting yourself on the back. Classic. Pathetic.

Why did I reply? Because it's a open public forum, phuckboy. If you want a conversation with yourself or people who will just jerk you off, go find a more private forum with only people who will agree with you.

No, I said why did you reply to me, not in general. You didn't even disagree with what I said, just posted some irrelevant diatribe, bolded portions of it, strutted around like a proud chicken on its way to the slaughterhouse, claimed victory, and made a classless remark smiling all big about the prospect of another human dying.

Really? You need to evaluate yourself. Be a better person and poster.

It's a simple fact that the level of compensatory damages in this case are wildly out of proportion with what any actual damages may have been. That alone reveals a lot about the jury's thought process.

That's not what you said.

OK Phil, show me the evidence that these women were financially harmed by Rudy saying mean things about them.

LOL...only person to make Phil68 lose his **** more than Trump is Rudy for some reason. It's pretty comical. Strong goat rapist life choices.

Why would I need to when Rudy Giuliani's own attorney admitted there was actual harm and was just complaining about the amount? You are trying to argue something that even his attorney didn't contest. Please continue to contest something that even Rudy's defense attorney isn't contesting.

You switching up your profile pic won't change the fact you are morbidly obese and haven't been out in the sun in over a decade.

So... you can't? Show me the harm and tell me why they deserve $16M in compensatory damages.

I'll walk the dogs while you look for articles and google what "compensatory" means.

1. I don't need to. Giuliani didn't even bothering testifying and his own lawyer admitted that he was liable for damages [Which you claimed there was no harm]. Why bother proving something that Giuliani's own representation didn't even try to contest during court proceedings?

2. It would help if you actually read my posts.
Anything else or are you done contradicting yourself?

Phil, I'm a trial lawyer. Top producing partner at my firm 6 of 8 years. I'm asking about damages. Show me evidence of damages. An attorney admitting liability is not the same as admitting to specific damage amounts. Show me evidence of monetary damages. I've never once said he didn't defame them - I have said and continue to say show me evidence of monetary damages.

Congrats, I’ve also been a lawyer for years. Big deal. I even said you can argue the compensatory amount but you can’t argue the liability (Which you started out by doing and I even quoted you as doing). The amount is irrelevant to the fact he was indeed found to have caused damages and his defense attorney didn’t even try to deny it. Maybe Rudy shouldn’t be breaking the law if he wants to avoid getting sued in civil court?

You claim the jury has an agenda but are in total denial over Guiliani’s actions that he himself didn’t even bother to defend in the courtroom. I’d say you are the one with the agenda since you are trying to defend an individual whose own attorney admitted was liable for damages. You should probably do a little self-evaluation there, Attorney of the Year.

Be careful. Phil claims to be a lawyer too, however he didn't know how long it took him to finish law school.

Oh yeah, forgot Phitard claims to be a lawyer. No wonder he hates Rudy so much. It's pretty common in low intelligence people to irrationally hate those more successful than you in your field.

You must not have done much if any private practice or trial work. If I walk up to you and flick you on the forehead, I am liable/have liability for the damages I caused. The burden is on you to prove what those damages would be. That is done generally through the production of medical bills, pain/suffering testimony, etc.

Here, I'm asking you to show the evidence that support a compensatory damages finding of $16M. You have not done so because you can not do so because it's a completely asinine number.

I also lol at you repeatedly drawing negative inferences at Rudy's decision to not take the stand. The Judge had already found him liable, as discussed ad nauseum, the only issue the jury was deciding was damages. What information could Rudy possibly give the jury about those womens' damages, again with the burden being on them to provide such evidence? The answer is none.

Not to even mention that you should never draw a negative inference if a defendant does not take the stand, even in a civil jury trial. That's an incredibly basic jury instruction that if you had any clue what you were talking about you'd be aware of.

Last I checked, I wasn’t a juror so it’s irrelevant to me what juror instructions are in regards to my opinion on Giuliani not taking the stand. At the end, you have contradicted yourself in this thread and even denied there was financial harm when that wasn’t even up for debate by the end of court proceedings. For whatever reason, you want to defend a scumbag like Rudy G. when even his attorney admitted otherwise. That’s on you, not me.

I did laugh at you flexing about being the best attorney at your firm for 6 out of 8 years. Hopefully your clients are getting better results than what I’m currently seeing in this thread. You even wanted me to defend the amount of money in the verdict when my post even said the amount can be up for debate. Reading comprehension is a big part of defending a client, Mr. Lawyer of the Decade.

Hey Phil!

Looked into this and this commie dc judge said rudy loses by default because he failed to produce records that were confiscated by the fbi

Hopefully you're starting to realize that mccarthy was a hero

Millions upon millions of dollars? You think those Shannequas were on their way to earning anything remotely close to that in their lifetimes?

Keep dodging, dodger. If you don't have any evidence of their monetary/financial harm, just say so.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...ion-rcna130329

Rudy Giuliani sued again by former election workers who now want a court order against further defamatory remarks

Ruby Freeman and her daughter, Wandrea “Shaye” Moss, want a judge to "permanently bar" the former Trump attorney from continuing to defame them

Days after being awarded $148 million in damages against Rudy Giuliani in a defamation suit, two former Georgia election workers have filed a new lawsuit against the former Trump lawyer over remarks he made about them immediately following Friday's verdict.

The new suit by Ruby Freeman and Wandrea “Shaye” Moss seeks a court order permanently barring Giuliani "from persisting in his defamatory campaign" against the mother and daughter pair, arguing that he's continued to falsely accuse them of committing election fraud even after a federal jury handed down last week's verdict in Washington, D.C.

The lawsuit notes that Giuliani told reporters after the trial that his long-debunked allegations "were supportable and are supportable today." He also told Newsmax that "he was in possession of video evidence demonstrating the truth of his allegations."

In Monday's filing, attorneys for Freeman and Moss said they'd asked for Giuliani to stop smearing their clients, and said he would not.

"Before filing this lawsuit, Plaintiffs’ counsel asked Defendant Giuliani to enter into an agreement to stop publishing these and any similar false claims about Plaintiffs. Defendant Giuliani refused," the filing said. "Defendant Giuliani’s statements, coupled with his refusal to agree to refrain from continuing to make such statements, make clear that he intends to persist in his campaign of targeted defamation and harassment. It must stop."

The suit doesn't specifically ask for money damages — just "a targeted injunction barring Defendant Giuliani from continuing to repeat the very falsehoods about Plaintiffs that have already been found and held, conclusively, to be defamatory."

The suit accuses Giuliani of defamation and intentional infliction of emotional distress — two of the same claims the plaintiffs successfully sued him for in the same federal courthouse.

U.S. District Judge Beryl Howell in August found Giuliani liable for defamation after he snubbed multiple court orders to turn over required evidence to Freeman and Moss.

Giuliani had repeatedly accused the pair of election fraud in the wake of former President Donald Trump’s 2020 loss in Georgia, and circulated a brief, heavily edited clip of security footage that he told a legislative committee in Georgia showed them passing USB drives “like vials of heroin or *******” during ballot-counting operations. Moss said the “USB drive” was actually a ginger mint.

Freeman and Moss said they were subjected to a torrent of harassment and threats from Giuliani's smears and were forced to leave their jobs.

Ohhhh chit ruby is back

Better go to dc to find a judge for your fulton county complaint ruby

Looks like simping for the Orange conman wasn’t the best idea.

Ghetto lottery winners!

Seems people who don't even make the average wage think a little distress is worth millions. It used to be that you would be liable for damages, and some was added for emotional destress, but what are these people worth? They are trying to do the same for trans people if you misgender them, even by accident, they want some type of restitution.

Imagine this, down the line, some guy comes in and you call him sir, now you have to pay him $10,000 because it turns out he was non-binary or some chit. I would srs kill someone before I'd pay it. That really is the answer, when these people start seeking these types of things, bad things happen to them.

It's one thing that is degrading morale in this country in my opinion. Everywhere you go, you see people who aren't that smart, who don't even do anything important, making money hand over fist, just getting paid, while people who are smart, highly skilled, do important work, are literally facing hardships and poverty, barely able to scratch by. Criminals are hailed as heroes and victims, given a pass, while honest people are penalized and ordered the walk the line and called criminals for just not accomplishing great expectations. It's like, WTF is the point of doing the right thing. There is no incentive anymore.

To send a message to the right.

Same as Jan 6.

… starting to feel like I am under evaluating myself here a few mil ….

I see you didn’t read the discussion.

Throwing out a non-answer was the best you could do at this point. Not really fitting for the supposed lawyer of the decade at his firm. Do you struggle this badly with contradicting yourself and inept reading comprehension on the job too? You must work for a bottom tier firm.

The irony is palpable. You still can't provide one shred of evidentiary support for why they deserved $16M in compensatory damages. Keep deflecting.

I don't need to. I already stated you can argue about whether the amount was correct in the judgement.

You sure don't make a very good lawyer. You contradict yourself a lot, try to divert the debate by the use of straw man fallacies, and make arguments that can be easily shot down through the most basic of evidence. At this point, you are probably qualified to be a lawyer for Rudy G.