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post 1695782003 01-02-2024, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted By JackyChin⏩
I recommend you read the book "Tombstone" by Yang Jisheng.

Each even chapter discusses the dry statistical logistics of how the communist state systematically starved 36 million Chinese peasants through mismanagement.

Each odd chapter discusses the various tortures the cadres used to steal the last grains of rice from starving farmers.

It's very well sourced.
A book huh.
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post 1695782143 01-02-2024, 09:22 PM
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he killed a tiny fraction of the number of iraqis killed by the bush family, so in comparison, he was a saint
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Originally Posted By Islandboyo⏩
Dictators do have to care about what happens to their own people, because everyone knows who is responsible for the state of affairs. Dictators take 100% accountability since they're the ones in charge.

Democracy has no accountability because no one individual is in charge of any decision. All decisions are made by the "majority" which allows things to happen without anyone having to risk taking all the blame when it goes wrong. This leads to the worst type of people running for office, because they want to enrich themselves without having to face any consequences. The worst people in the country are leading the democratic government because it appeals to those without honor or integrity.

The USA is a clown show today with cities that look like scenes out of horror movies. Who is responsible for that? Which politicians caused it, and what were their consequences? Many of them weren't even voted out LOL.

Democracy is the favored form of government by the corrupt elite not because they believe in freedom or equality, but because they know it's the best way to have a totalitarian society while making the people believe they're free. Stupid people think their right to vote means anything and that they have freedom. They do not. Their opinions don't matter, and it shouldn't matter either.

Unfortunately stupid people will always be the majority, which invalidates democracy as a serious form of government.
What accountability did Hitler take?
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Originally Posted By theory816⏩
Only they wern't respondsible for millions of deaths. It's just a lame claim by the anti communist lames.

Don't tell me you steel believe Santa Clause is reel.
How were they not responsible?
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Under a dictatorship, could one refuse the jab? Or the mandates? The restrictions?
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Bad compared to whom? Bush? Obama? Haha, no.

Bush and Obama began and perpetuated/expanded, respectively, wars in the Middle East which have resulted in, at the VERY least, hundreds of thousands of dead innocents, and thousands of dead US soldiers. They’ve ordered drone strikes on civilians and other extrajudicial killings. They have overthrown governments, sovereign nations.


Anyone who thinks someone like Saddam was in any way worse of a person than the people who control our country, is a fukin RUBE.
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post 1695782553 01-02-2024, 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
How were they not responsible?
Because millions didn't die at their hands. Its a ridiculous claim.
Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Under a dictatorship, could one refuse the jab? Or the mandates? The restrictions?
you couldnt resist it under a non dictatorship regime.
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post 1695784063 01-02-2024, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted By theory816⏩
Who knows. Its too complex of a system to really understand at this point.
Not really. Example... Pfizer slips Joe Biden and Fauci some money and there is a push to use OSHA to enforce COVID vaccine mandates. Another would be someone like Nikki Haley was on the board for Boeing (the company that makes aircraft, biggest sales are for military use) and she is already pushing for war in Russia, Iran, and potentially China. Companies like black rock established esg scores and also is one of the biggest funders of the democratic party, and they push wokeness. It's actually pretty simple. Politics is pay to play bro.
post 1695784133 01-02-2024, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted By bsrkoacar2⏩
Not really. Example... Pfizer slips Joe Biden and Fauci some money and there is a push to use OSHA to enforce COVID vaccine mandates. Another would be someone like Nikki Haley was on the board for Boeing (the company that makes aircraft, biggest sales are for military use) and she is already pushing for war in Russia, Iran, and potentially China. Politics is pay to play bro.
Not everyone is motivated by money though.
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post 1695784213 01-02-2024, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted By theory816⏩
Not everyone is motivated by money though.
Besides trump and ramaswamy, who isn't motivated by money? They already had money. I can't think of a single politician... I've got a bridge to sell you bro
post 1695784293 01-02-2024, 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted By bsrkoacar2⏩
Besides trump and ramaswamy, who isn't motivated by money? They already had money. I can't think of a single politician... I've got a bridge to sell you bro
When you get into politics, its more than just money. There's other ways to make money illegally.
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post 1695784353 01-02-2024, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted By theory816⏩
When you get into politics, its more than just money. There's other ways to make money illegally.
Exactly.... That's how politicians make money. Insider trading and money laundering
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he's viewed even worse than 'we' view him by Kurds, a native middle eastern ethnic group


was he an evil movie villain? nah, but not a 'good guy' by any means. That's not what got him killed of course
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Originally Posted By bsrkoacar2⏩
Exactly.... That's how politicians make money. Insider trading and money laundering
Brah politics have a very specific job description. One can launder and inside trade without holding a political seat. And like I said, when people go in politics they do it for a good reason.
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Originally Posted By Islandboyo⏩
Anyone who the US government tells you to dislike is a good honorable person ( Saddam, Gaddafi, Hitler, Kim Jung Un)

Anyone the US government tells you is good is actually evil and corrupt ( Zelensky, Netanyahoo, Epstein, Churchill, MLK, Mandela)
putin too dumbass
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Saddam was right about The West
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Originally Posted By Ausaric⏩
Bad compared to whom? Bush? Obama? Haha, no.

Bush and Obama began and perpetuated/expanded, respectively, wars in the Middle East which have resulted in, at the VERY least, hundreds of thousands of dead innocents, and thousands of dead US soldiers. They’ve ordered drone strikes on civilians and other extrajudicial killings. They have overthrown governments, sovereign nations.


Anyone who thinks someone like Saddam was in any way worse of a person than the people who control our country, is a fukin RUBE.
Who cares. us flexed its muscle and killed off a dictator we hate. deal with it. have issues with it, then try and became your own global superpower (srs)


issue is that they didnt just pack up and leave after capturing saddam. should have let those low iq savages in iraq deal with it. totally disagree with the "you break it you buy it" approach USA has towards foreign policy.
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Yeah, Saddam was a bad dude. He might have been fun to drink a beer with, but by the time you get to ethnic cleansing with nerve gas and mass murders of religious opponents, you're a bad dude.

In a realpolitik-ish sense, he kept an absolute BS artificial construct of a nation together and stable, and served as a counterweight to other folks we didn't like in Iran. I really don't know why we removed him. It's not like the Iraqis did 9/11...
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Are u fking kidding me OP? He murdered and tortured a ****LOAD of people. Just look up his son's torture methods. Tying people to metal bedframes and electrocuting them. His fav method though was pouring boiling water into people's *******s (SRS). They were sick fuks.
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Originally Posted By ralphlaurenbrah⏩
Are u fking kidding me OP? He murdered and tortured a ****LOAD of people. Just look up his son's torture methods. Tying people to metal bedframes and electrocuting them. His fav method though was pouring boiling water into people's *******s (SRS). They were sick fuks.
Do we even know that's true? Sounds like the holocoaster.
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Originally Posted By ErnieMccracken⏩
Do we even know that's true? Sounds like the holocoaster.
Most likely true. But he did it to political opponents mostly. But that's just the way it is over there. Different forms of punishment. You can't expect a white parent to share the same child raising values as a black or Mexican family.

Again, they only did that on a small scale. If they abused their powers, they'd get overthrown by the people. But this is just one excuse to topple their regime.
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Originally Posted By ErnieMccracken⏩
Do we even know that's true? Sounds like the holocoaster.
why is it hard to believe?

just look at how psychopaths rise to power in the west. now imagine being in a chithole country where being a kind gentlemen won't exactly get you any power
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most people at the top are sociopaths

was he any worse than any other dictator, no

was he really a national security threat to the US, no

Did the US lie about their reasons for going in there, yes

would the US have been much better off never going there, yes

There isnt really "good vs bad" guys in the real world. Its just a bunch of sociopaths battling for power.
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Originally Posted By FA*******⏩
Yeah, Saddam was a bad dude. He might have been fun to drink a beer with, but by the time you get to ethnic cleansing with nerve gas and mass murders of religious opponents, you're a bad dude.

In a realpolitik-ish sense, he kept an absolute BS artificial construct of a nation together and stable, and served as a counterweight to other folks we didn't like in Iran. I really don't know why we removed him. It's not like the Iraqis did 9/11...
Regardless if any of this is true or not, how much credibility does the United States have at this point? Look at the final death tolls. Iraq would have been way better off if we'd never "freed" them or went looking for WMDs. And now Hamas bakes Israeli babies and we're supposed to overlook the death tolls the "good guys" are inflicting on a group of people. Despicable.
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Define "bad dude". Every great world leader was a murderer. What matters is what they murdered for. Was Stalin a bad dude? Saddam was an Islamic socialist. What he did was not exactly fair. He carried out some ethnic purging and repression. But he also sought to improve the conditions for his people. He was cruel, corrupt, and tyrannical. It is too early to tell if Iraq will be better off without him.
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Originally Posted By JackyChin⏩
Mao and Stalin were each responsible for the deaths of millions of their own citizens by starvation. Yet both remained in power and died peacefully of old age. In what way did they "take responsibility"?

You ever notice famines only occur in totalitarian regimes, never in democracies? Ireland, North Korea, USSR, China. Why do you think that is?

You ever notice countries like the USA are building walls to keep people out? While ones like the USSR and North Korea build walls to keep people in? Why do you think that is?
This is complete and utter horsechit. Many capitalist countries caused famines too. Look up what Britain did in India, for example. Churchill isn't labeled genocidal yet Stalin is. Stalin tried to prevent the famine. The entire Holodomor story is largely cold war era bullshyt designed to malign him. There was a devastating famine in Ukraine, and they recovered. The ones who suffered most were the communist regions of Ukraine. And after the reforms, there was never another famine. If Stalin's intent were genocide, he would have punished Western Ukrainians more harshly since that was where a lot of the resistance by the Kulaks came from. And Mao freed the slaves and did a ton for his country. People don't understand Chinese revere Mao the way Americans revere Lincoln. And while neither were perfect, they are seen as heroes for their achievements.

Socialist states try to keep people in because America bribes and brain drains their resources. They spend effort educating and preparing people from cradle to grave only to lose them to greedy scum. They also prevent capital flight from the bourgeoisie. Socialists can and should execute cowards and traitors who flee and betray the mission.
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Originally Posted By elterrible987⏩
most people at the top are sociopaths

was he any worse than any other dictator, no

was he really a national security threat to the US, no

Did the US lie about their reasons for going in there, yes

would the US have been much better off never going there, yes

There isnt really "good vs bad" guys in the real world. Its just a bunch of sociopaths battling for power.
I would argue the US did benefit from the war from a purely ruthless nationalist view. While it was an unjust war, the US strategically benefits from influence over Iraq, both for their resources and to threaten Iran.

US foreign policy makes much more sense if you understand they are trying to play a game of Risk.
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Seems like the only way to stabilize a Middle Eastern country is with the iron fist and killing A LOT of people. Or now with at least the threat of doing so. Bad dude? Yes. Did he stabilize his country through Bolshevik like fear? Yes. Relative stability over stone age believers achieved, with huge downside. It's a damn shame the ME has so much oil. Otherwise the rest of the world could sit back and watch them kill each other for another 1000 years and give no fuks.

Then again, the fake countries decided after the dissolvement of the Ottoman Empire was a huge blunder. Should have let it happen organically (very different borders) but the masters of the universe and their descendants still with us today had to carve it up like a Turducken at Thanksgiving dinner. Again, bad dude? Hell yes, in the Marxist tradition.
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lol in the misc, Hitler, Sadam, and Bin Laden are actually the good guys.
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