i'd say im libertarian. liberals are authoritarian as fuk so i dont know how they can confuse the two

[QUOTE=N0stradamus post_id=1697628633]LOL @ you trying to save face, you've been checked... Just take your L and run along...


[img]https://i.imgur.com/6g3RqSE.jpg[/ig][/QUOTE]That quote you keep using doesn't make sense, and doesn't align with any libertarian principles. I understand you pulled it from lp.org, but BY DEFINITION it doesn't belong there.

Libs like government solutions.

Libertarians want much, much less government in general.

They, like Rand Paul, are open border advocates, which leads to communism. See the Koch brothers.

We can better meet labor demand in construction, agriculture, hospitality, manufacturing, transportation, Healthcare, engineering, computer and math...a lot.

Unless you're the chairman of the Libertarian Party, I'm not gonna take your word over theirs.. They clearly advertise they're pro immigration, or rather what they call "Legal Immigration"... Which is basically the same play as the democrats.

Libertarians will just decriminalize illegal immigration (just like the dems) and say they've "solved the illegal immigration crisis"

The classic libertarian stance is that the federal gov't protects the border, and doesn't fund foreign nations, nor does it meddle in their wars.... What we CURRENTLY have going on is almost the exact opposite of that.

You do admit that importing humans helps pump up the economy? I'm not saying it's the correct path, but that is the entire reason the old fuks in office want immigration so badly lol.

It's not like they are just allowing it with no motive, and with no benefit to themselves.

Joe Biden will be dead way before he has to experience any of the fallout. trudeau will be long gone before the pile of poop on main street reaches 5 stories tall.... In the meantime, a 2bed/2bath chithole is going for $1.2m

If you import high IQ, civilized Europeans, then sure, it'll help the economy. But the Libertarians, just the like the Democrats, prefer the low IQ people from the south.

Why? Because it's cheap labor.

No way in hell would Libertarians and Democrats allow Whites to immigrate to America.

I suggest you educate yourself to avoid having the Libertarian Party pull a bait-and-switch on you the way the Dems pull the bait-and-switch on their constituents.

This. It's a pure economy play....

I mean, I guess I'm 2012 libertarian, because never was there ever some ridiculous pro-open-border situation within libertarian ideals.... It's basically the polar opposite of that.

But yes, importing cheap labor does really really really help the economy for a generation or two (see slavery)

The modern Libertarian party since the Mises Caucus takeover are a bunch of pro-MAGA chitposing trolls. LMAO, "literally the Democrat party".

It's funny to me how all the anti-immigration people on the misc also LOL @ places like Greece, Italy, Spain, Japan for having "chit-tier economies".... It's like.... Yeah because they are developed nations with extremely low immigration lol.

You can't have both. I personally am in favor of a japanese border, and accept the "bad economy" side effect.

When did we as a society decide to make policy decisions based on expected economic return? When did "economic success" become the barometer by which we measure whether a policy decision is good or bad? Who is measuring economic success, and on what basis?

Who would you say is the more successful man -- the man who shuts himself in his house and day trades bitcoin for 40 years and dies alone but with $100 million in the bank? Or the man who works a job that pays a decent salary, has enough time to pursue personal interests and spend time with his wife and kids who love him, and dies surrounded by his kids and grandkids?

ideally importing migrants would benefit the populace, but not in America's case they are a net negative mostly because of far left compensating them with free stuff via the white tax payers. Just like America fights wars that do not benefit it, it instead benefits Israel.

each migrant and each kid they have will cost American tax payers nearly half a million dollars per head over their life time.


in an ideal world if you really need the migrants to pick the fruit or whatever (you don't, you just pay people more and they will do it) the migrants leave afterward or are not given free things, but in our case they are given everything, and they stay forever and even bring in their whole family and many of them do not even have jobs and if they do its paid under the table.

with libertarians the migrants would still be pouring in, because America is still a European civilization, although it is dying. It's not a favela ****hole full of retards like the countries that these people have created and are now fleeing.


the migrants coming in are around 70IQ, which is nearly mentally retarded. White Americans average 105IQ
so now they are here, and they are nearly outnumbering the Whites. It's too late to have any form of Libertarianism

That is why we need a far right government that will restore America by forcefully deporting these people and banning any jews from getting anywhere near the positions of power that they currently hold.

They tend to still be right wing and believe conspiracy theories.

The primary way that politicians get elected and re-elected is a strong economy....

Americans love getting their cars fixed for cheap, lawns mowed for cheap, houses and offices built for cheap, roads and bridges built for cheap, all while simultaneously watching the value of their home climb as demand increases from all the immigrants moving in.

Then americans just LOL @ greeks for driving around on scooters and living with their parents until they're 35..... You can't have your cake and eat it too.

I should probably clarify:

The Libertarians aren't "isolationists", a better way to describe them would be "non-interventionalists"..

Regarding the border and immigration - Libertarians would simply decriminalize illegal crossings and take a "let it be" approach while they retreat to their ranches and gated communities and live comfortably (let the plebs fend for themselves).

They're virtually identical to Democrats in regards to immigration and drugs.

Where they differ is that they're not anti-2nd Amendment and they're not anti-free speech like the Democrats.

But overall, they have more in common with democrats than with conservatives.

EDIT:

MAGA Conservatives are the isolationists: shut down the border, cut all funding to NATO, kick out illegals. America First.

"Isolationism" gets a bad wrap, but in our current situation, the US needs at least 5 years of isolation to fix our internal problems before we can open up again.

But what about my second question?

Good luck convincing americans that having a strong family, a small car, and a small home is the way to true prosperity. "what are you?! a SOCIALIST?!"