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post 1698069583 02-19-2024, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
I haven't read this, so I don't know how negative the sides they are suggesting might be.

Taking a step back, though -- the greater the benefit of the vaccines, the more they are to be considered and weighed against the negative sides. Correct?

So, the converse is also true, that the less of the benefit of the vaccines, the more these negative sides begin to outweigh their benefit.

With that in mind, since Covid does not represent the same level of threat to everyone, you probably want to look at this as I have all along (often being misrepresented as 'anti-science' or as an anti-vaxxer for being right). That populations where covid is not a significant threat are far less likely to get benefit from it. Sick people, elderly, obese individuals, those with co-morbidities have far greater risk when getting covid than healthy, younger and non-fat people. Children in particular seem to be all but immune to covid.

Any reasonable person (now) understands this which is why the shills do not.
The jab was very good at stopping one from getting and transmitting covid against the OG strain, 80% one jab, 95% two jabs. So you're right, those at low risk had a low chance of dying or getting bigly sick from covid, but without the jab, the OG strain would have spread much much more than it did and those low risk would suddenly turn into a lot of kids and not at risk people. Covid is massively virulent.

Look at how much Omicron spread because the jab was much less effective at prevention and transmission. If Omicron was as potent as the OG strain hundreds of thousands more people would have died.

So even health, not at risk people who got the jab against the OG strain helped keep it from spreading worse than it did.
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Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
The thread topic is about the headline reasoning
That's not what the poster to whom I replied was discussing tho
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Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
The thread topic is about the headline reasoning
Not sure what you see is the issue. A huge reputable study found some very minor adverse effects of the jab.

It was reported on.

Why are you puzzled?
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post 1698069703 02-19-2024, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
Not sure what you see is the issue. A huge reputable study found some very minor adverse effects of the jab.

It was reported on.

Why are you puzzled?
I'm not puzzled, I see exactly what's going on

The headline could've been "new Covid study shows minimal risk of the vaccine"

Like it has been for the last few years.

They shifted

For a reason
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
I haven't read this, so I don't know how negative the sides they are suggesting might be.

Taking a step back, though -- the greater the benefit of the vaccines, the more they are to be considered and weighed against the negative sides. Correct?

So, the converse is also true, that the less of the benefit of the vaccines, the more these negative sides begin to outweigh their benefit.

With that in mind, since Covid does not represent the same level of threat to everyone, you probably want to look at this as I have all along (often being misrepresented as 'anti-science' or as an anti-vaxxer for being right). That populations where covid is not a significant threat are far less likely to get benefit from it. Sick people, elderly, obese individuals, those with co-morbidities have far greater risk when getting covid than healthy, younger and non-fat people. Children in particular seem to be all but immune to covid.

Any reasonable person (now) understands this which is why the shills do not.
I continue to challenge the notion that death was/is the only risk from infection worth consideration.
post 1698070023 02-19-2024, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I continue to challenge the notion that death was/is the only risk from infection worth consideration.
It's not, it's just the easiest to quantify. I also maintain, death rates are also strong indictors of the other potential problems.

Children not dying, save extremely rare instances, means it's probable they are also far less likely to get badly sick, suffer, have 'long covid' (if that's even a thing), go to the hospital, etc...

So, sure -- the vaccines do offer benefit to children beyond protecting them from the deaths that almost certainly won't happen. You measure that with the knowledge that the vaccines do not offer 100% protection to anyone, including children, and that it's benefits wane over time.

... which, does kind of make death or potential permanent damage much bigger considerations, you agree?
Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
Not sure what you see is the issue. A huge reputable study found somevery minor adverse effectsof the jab.
A couple things to unpack here:

- Many people were censored for suggesting this could be possible. We're seeing: they were shut down, attacked, called anti-vaxxers, labeled as spreading misinformation -- and they were actually correct.

- The minor adverse side effects should be weighed against what, for anyone healthy, is the incredibly minor adverse effects of getting covid. Not having read this article (yet), I don't know how "very minor" they are, but I do know for anyone young and healthy, covid itself is not a significant threat, either.

Not talking about someone old, sickly or at risk from covid, but why does someone healthy, where covid does not represent a danger, need to take a vaccine that exposes them to some level of risk, minor or not, for a vaccine that offers leakly protection, does not keep them from getting or spreading the disease and is only temporary?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I continue to challenge the notion that death was/is the only risk from infection worth consideration.
Of course you do.

But "death" was how it was sold to us.. Quarantine or DIE! 600 feet of social separation or DIE! Wear a mask or DIE!. Remember?

Anything else at this point and you're just moving your goalposts because you don't ever want it to end.
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
The jab was very good at stopping one from getting and transmitting covid against the OG strain, 80% one jab, 95% two jabs. So you're right, those at low risk had a low chance of dying or getting bigly sick from covid, but without the jab, the OG strain would have spread much much more than it did and those low risk would suddenly turn into a lot of kids and not at risk people. Covid is massively virulent.

Look at how much Omicron spread because the jab was much less effective at prevention and transmission. If Omicron was as potent as the OG strain hundreds of thousands more people would have died.

So even health, not at risk people who got the jab against the OG strain helped keep it from spreading worse than it did.
Except the OG variant wasn’t circulating all that much by the time the vaccine rolled out in Jan. 2021. By that point it had over a year to mutate. There’s a reason we’d never successfully created a vaccine for a coronavirus(and still haven’t).
post 1698071113 02-19-2024, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted By miscinformation⏩
We just want you to die. What's the big deal?
I'm standing here.. No mask, vax, no vax, and no coof winny.
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post 1698071253 02-19-2024, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
It's not, it's just the easiest to quantify. I also maintain, death rates are also strong indictors of the other potential problems.
Kinda my point. Ignore anything that doesn't support the narrative.

Imagine if you applied the same reasoning to vaccines

This wouldn't be the first virus to come back and getcha later.
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
Of course you do.

But "death" was how it was sold to us.. Quarantine or DIE! 600 feet of social separation or DIE! Wear a mask or DIE!. Remember?

Anything else at this point and you're just moving your goalposts because you don't ever want it to end.
Why be mad at others for what you bought
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Why be mad at others for what you bought
I didn't buy it - that's my point.

You desperately tried to sell it, but... nah.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Except the OG variant wasn’t circulating all that much by the time the vaccine rolled out in Jan. 2021. By that point it had over a year to mutate. There’s a reason we’d never successfully created a vaccine for a coronavirus(and still haven’t).
It was activated by the sauce in the bat soup.
post 1698071833 02-19-2024, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
I didn't buy it - that's my point.

You desperately tried to sell it, but... nah.
You said "how it was sold to us"
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
You said "how it was sold to us"
Oh look.. JFC is hiding behind semantics again. Typical AF.

It was "sold" dumbfuk. Used car dealers "sell" but that doesn't mean everybody "buys" right?
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post 1698072253 02-19-2024, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
Oh look.. JFC is hiding behind semantics again. Typical AF.

It was "sold" dumbfuk. Used car dealers "sell" but that doesn't mean everybody "buys" right?
I dunno. I think we could only say a used car dealer sold us a car if we bought the car being sold.

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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I dunno. I think we could only say a used car dealer sold us a car if we bought the car being sold.

Oh look.. JFC is hiding behind semantics again. Typical AF.

Watch...





See that? Cole-Bert is desperately "selling" your Fauci Fluid vaccine.. to anybody who will "buy" it. Lots of people didn't - but he still "sold" it. Didn't he.

"Snake oil is a term used to describe deceptive marketing, health care fraud, or a scam. Similarly, snake oil salesman is a common label used to describe someone who sells, promotes, or is a general proponent of some valueless or fraudulent cure, remedy, or solution..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_...n_implications
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
The actual takeaway from the study.

“Both things can be true,” Krumholz said in an interview. “They can save millions of lives, and there can be a small number of people who’ve been adversely affected.”

Any reasonable person understands that all vaccines have a tiny element of adverse reactions. But the good they do far outweighs these infrequent adverse reactions.

Any reasonable person understands this which is why anti-science, anti-vaxxers do not.
I think the key is that all other vaccines and medications have to go through rigorous testing before gaining FDA approval. I know the drugs I prescribe all have "scary sounding" adverse effects, but I know that these are less than 1 in 100,000.... because the reseach exists.

The COVID vaccine was approved on an emergency basis and didn't have to hold up to the same level of testing. And that remains the case today. It seems like there is a general unwillingness to go down that path at all.
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
Oh look.. JFC is hiding behind semantics again. Typical AF.

Watch...


See that? Cole-Bert is desperately "selling" your Fauci Fluid vaccine.. to anybody who will "buy" it. Lots of people didn't - but he still "sold" it. Didn't he.
Now you're pivoting to vaccines?
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Originally Posted By rampagefc77⏩
I think the key is that all other vaccines and medications have to go through rigorous testing before gaining FDA approval. I know the drugs I prescribe all have "scary sounding" adverse effects, but I know that these are less than 1 in 100,000.... because the reseach exists.

The COVID vaccine was approved on an emergency basis and didn't have to hold up to the same level of testing. And that remains the case today. It seems like there is a general unwillingness to go down that path at all.
Which testing is/was done on other vaccines that wasn't done on covid vaccines? What was required of other vaccines prior to approval that wasn't required of covid vaccines?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Now you're pivoting to vaccines?
It's all the same shiit.

But I just thought of something... I accuse Carl Spackler of being the forum laughingstock, but he is at least somewhat amusing with his elite crusher act. Your covid addiction, and your desperate "arguments" in defense of it are just sad AF bro...
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Originally Posted By rampagefc77⏩
I think the key is that all other vaccines and medications have to go through rigorous testing before gaining FDA approval. I know the drugs I prescribe all have "scary sounding" adverse effects, but I know that these are less than 1 in 100,000.... because the reseach exists.

The COVID vaccine was approved on an emergency basis and didn't have to hold up to the same level of testing. And that remains the case today. It seems like there is a general unwillingness to go down that path at all.
The second pharmaceutical companies lose their EUA designation, the class action suits are going to come fast and furious if they decide to keep the drugs on the market.
It is an absolute travesty that people who have been harmed by the vaccine can not seek damages. Especially those who were forced to take it.
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Originally Posted By kcadrenalin⏩
The second pharmaceutical companies lose their EUA designation, the class action suits are going to come fast and furious if they decide to keep the drugs on the market.
It is an absolute travesty that people who have been harmed by the vaccine can not seek damages. Especially those who were forced to take it.
Shouldn't we see these suits happening outside the US?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Which testing is/was done on other vaccines that wasn't done on covid vaccines? What was required of other vaccines prior to approval that wasn't required of covid vaccines?
At least 10 years worth of testing with all side effects documented.

We got less than 6 months of testing, and because of the EUA, pharmaceutical companies don't have to list the side effects.

But keep on schilling for them.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Shouldn't we see these suits happening outside the US?
Have you not been paying attention? If a country refuses to offer a EUA, the pharmaceutical companies refuse to offer the vaccine.
If the country requires testing results, the pharmaceutical companies refuse to offer the vaccine.
Both of the above are currently happening in several countries.

But by all means, continue to schill.
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Originally Posted By kcadrenalin⏩
Have you not been paying attention? If a country refuses to offer a EUA, the pharmaceutical companies refuse to offer the vaccine.
If the country requires testing results, the pharmaceutical companies refuse to offer the vaccine.
Both of the above are currently happening in several countries.

But by all means, continue to schill.
I don't think that's true.

They're fully approved here.
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Originally Posted By kcadrenalin⏩
At least 10 years worth of testing with all side effects documented.

We got less than 6 months of testing, and because of the EUA, pharmaceutical companies don't have to list the side effects.

But keep on schilling for them.
Really?

Which drugs or vaccines had to provide 10 years of post phase-3 data prior to approval?
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
Never forget they pushed this on children
Every time the grand kids go for a check up they always ask would they like a Covid shot. 8 grand kids and 0 Covid shots and all fit and healthy and all but one has had the dreaded Rona
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Originally Posted By miscinformation⏩
You're doing that thing again where you make chit up and pretend it is someone else's pov. Every doctor recommends a good diet and exercise, along with taking appropriate medications and vaccinations.

This is why I usually ignore what you say. You're a bad faith debater who uses strawman tactics like this.

Why do you think it's ok to rape kids Dave? You sick fuk.
Wincel, you literally believe being healthy has no effect on whether or not you would survive the Rona and to put all your faith in the jab.

You also have this twisted belief that a medicated society is a healthy society.....
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Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
You never saw headlines like this from major sites though.

Why do you think they feel inclined to do so?
They can't refute the facts which is that a percentage had really bad reactions to the vaxx all over the world, depending on which one you used.
The folks that i know in Europe had terrible reactions to Astra Zeneca, and 1 had a bad reaction to Pfizer, but she has many medical issues already.
Ask yourself if 99 million is a reasonable percentage from 13.5 billion?

If not, then what is?

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