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03-20-2024, 02:58 AM
#31
Originally Posted By Narrator02⏩
They're not imaginary, you just can't 'see' it with your eyes, because it's non-physical - the spiritual realm is real and even the world's elite worship spirits, the evidence is pretty obvious these days if you observe what's going on with any scrutiny.
you say he's brainwashed yet you believe in a book written by men about imaginary beings on a higher level?
Originally Posted By bananastand11⏩
that' just racist
I mean…..
I mean we know the answer to OP's question but no one wants to say it….
I mean there is something between an ape and a human… They usually have outlandish and ridiculous names like Sharq'euisha and Jamik'eil
I mean we know the answer to OP's question but no one wants to say it….
I mean there is something between an ape and a human… They usually have outlandish and ridiculous names like Sharq'euisha and Jamik'eil
Originally Posted By davik⏩
I do
who cares honestly
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03-20-2024, 03:24 AM
#32
Originally Posted By WiseOldApe⏩
Scientific theories are based around scientific research, it can change but it's the closest thing we have to what actually happened or what we can observe. It's the best accurate guess we have with the current knowledge we have as a race.
FYI I believed in evolution for decade and a half - I even have a bachelor degree in science, so I've done all of the science experiments where you splice genes into bacteria and am quite familiar with 'conserved regions of DNA' and other so called 'proofs of evolution' and 'common ancestry' yada yada.
Now that I think about it more critically, it just doesn't make sense that human beings are the only creature to have evolved higher cognitive functions such as metacognition, if evolution is real.
I can honestly say that believing in evolution requires more blind faith than believing that we were created by a supreme being that resides in a higher plane of existence.
Now that I think about it more critically, it just doesn't make sense that human beings are the only creature to have evolved higher cognitive functions such as metacognition, if evolution is real.
I can honestly say that believing in evolution requires more blind faith than believing that we were created by a supreme being that resides in a higher plane of existence.
We don't know for sure if it's the case but it has far higher probability being correct based on the research than we would have with any other theory.
You are trying to shoot holes in these theories because you believe in God but your religious theories are far further from reality of what can be proven than what scientific theories are.
Nobody is stopping you from believing or seeking more, we all are. But as far as evidence goes, your religious thoughts are just that, thoughts. Or perhaps other people's thoughts that you have adopted.
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03-20-2024, 03:28 AM
#33
evolution THEORY
round earth
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03-20-2024, 03:28 AM
#34
It's because we killed them off. And there are plenty of fossils of them. Didn't you guys learn like basics of human evolution
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03-20-2024, 03:29 AM
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Send more evidence of dinosaurs being fake need to watch
03-20-2024, 03:29 AM
#36
Originally Posted By foXs⏩
You've been indoctrinated with the theory of evolution since you were a kid through the media and school, so that's why you give it validity - you first have to understand belief and then you'll understand that what your are doing is (foolishly) putting your blind faith in science and evolution based on BELIEFS which you have been indoctrinated to believe.
Scientific theories are based around scientific research, it can change but it's the closest thing we have to what actually happened or what we can observe. It's the best accurate guess we have with the current knowledge we have as a race.
We don't know for sure if it's the case but it has far higher probability being correct based on the research than we would have with any other theory.
You are trying to shoot holes in these theories because you believe in God but your religious theories are far further from reality of what can be proven than what scientific theories are.
Nobody is stopping you from believing or seeking more, we all are. But as far as evidence goes, your religious thoughts are just that, thoughts. Or perhaps other people's thoughts that you have adopted.
We don't know for sure if it's the case but it has far higher probability being correct based on the research than we would have with any other theory.
You are trying to shoot holes in these theories because you believe in God but your religious theories are far further from reality of what can be proven than what scientific theories are.
Nobody is stopping you from believing or seeking more, we all are. But as far as evidence goes, your religious thoughts are just that, thoughts. Or perhaps other people's thoughts that you have adopted.
Now think about who runs the governments in western society and who implemented the schooling system and why there's a push to dethrone Christ - if you don't know that the world elite worship spirits, you better do a bit of digging around and educate yourself on the reality of the situation.
For example, look into freemasonry and how they have governments by the balls and how they worship the ancient egyptian gods/goddesses.
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03-20-2024, 03:30 AM
#37
Originally Posted By WiseOldApe⏩
The reason people create idols like certain scientific theories or Zeus is always the same, they do not want to be accountable to undeniable
morality
of God, which everyone knows is true.
I'll tell you why, evolution requires more blind faith than christianity
Romans 1
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things .
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things .
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03-20-2024, 03:33 AM
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but who was Neanderthal and all the other homo-x species other than homo sapiens?
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03-20-2024, 03:34 AM
#39
Originally Posted By skunkshark⏩
People didn't create zues - zues is a pagan god and pagan gods from all cultures are instruments of satan - they are real spiritual beings or demons, whatever you wanna call them
The reason people create idols like certain scientific theories or Zeus is always the same, they do not want to be accountable to undeniable
morality
of God, which everyone knows is true.
Originally Posted By DesiredUser****⏩
I think you think you sound smart - probs the same as the case with dinosaurs.
but who was Neanderthal and all the other homo-x species other than homo sapiens?
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03-20-2024, 03:38 AM
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Originally Posted By WiseOldApe⏩
Maybe, but again the reason is always the same whether they find another "spirit" to worship or carve something out of the stump of a tree.
People didn't create zues - zues is a pagan god and pagan gods from all cultures are instruments of satan - they are real spiritual beings or demons, whatever you wanna call them
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03-20-2024, 03:44 AM
#41
Originally Posted By DesiredUser****⏩
pictures in a book doesn't mean they existed brah
but who was Neanderthal and all the other homo-x species other than homo sapiens?
go look up some nature documentaries. and look up everything from insects, what's in the sea to what is in the jungle, mountains etc.
you mean to tell me everything on the planet evolved/stopped evolving at the same time - at the perfect time to function and look how they do. along with all the "climate changes" that have no doubt occurred over the however many 10s of thousands of years - that would have impacted the environment those animals were living in - surely impacting their "evolution"…
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03-20-2024, 03:46 AM
#42
Originally Posted By AWillis⏩
TBH the neanderthal could have just been a really ugly and brutish person which is why they found some skeletons that look different to regular humans.
pictures in a book doesn't mean they existed brah
go look up some nature documentaries. and look up everything from insects, what's in the sea to what is in the jungle, mountains etc.
you mean to tell me everything on the planet evolved at the same time - at the perfect time to function and look how they do. along with all the "climate changes" that have no doubt occurred over the however many 10s of thousands of years - that would have impacted the environment those animals were living in - surely impacting their "evolution"…
yeah, no thanks jeff
go look up some nature documentaries. and look up everything from insects, what's in the sea to what is in the jungle, mountains etc.
you mean to tell me everything on the planet evolved at the same time - at the perfect time to function and look how they do. along with all the "climate changes" that have no doubt occurred over the however many 10s of thousands of years - that would have impacted the environment those animals were living in - surely impacting their "evolution"…
yeah, no thanks jeff
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03-20-2024, 03:50 AM
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03-20-2024, 03:58 AM
#44
Originally Posted By WiseOldApe⏩
Does having wings and ability to displace air count as intelligence?
This intelligence allows humans to manipulate their environment to their own advantage in very very complex ways
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03-20-2024, 04:00 AM
#45
Originally Posted By WiseOldApe⏩
You do realise there were cousins of homosapiens that were wiped out due to various causes right?
Why is there no ape/chimp that's between a human and a chimpanzee in terms of intellect and 'smart' capabilities?.
You can also ask those questions by replacing X and Y in your original question…
Theory of evolution is OP
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03-20-2024, 04:04 AM
#46
Originally Posted By WiseOldApe⏩
I was not born in western society, nor does it matter where I was born.
You've been indoctrinated with the theory of evolution since you were a kid through the media and school, so that's why you give it validity - you first have to understand belief and then you'll understand that what your are doing is (foolishly) putting your blind faith in science and evolution based on BELIEFS which you have been indoctrinated to believe.
Now think about who runs the governments in western society and who implemented the schooling system and why there's a push to dethrone Christ - if you don't know that the world elite worship spirits, you better do a bit of digging around and educate yourself on the reality of the situation.
For example, look into freemasonry and how they have governments by the balls and how they worship the ancient egyptian gods/goddesses.
Now think about who runs the governments in western society and who implemented the schooling system and why there's a push to dethrone Christ - if you don't know that the world elite worship spirits, you better do a bit of digging around and educate yourself on the reality of the situation.
For example, look into freemasonry and how they have governments by the balls and how they worship the ancient egyptian gods/goddesses.
"The scientific method is the process of objectively establishing facts through testing and experimentation."
There's an interested quote about science vs religion. It said that if the our race went through a disaster and all our history was lost, in thousands of years, science would come up with the same conclusions because it's based on laws of nature, physics and scientific research. On the other hand, you and the likes of you would be believing in some other imaginary creature because it cannot be proven in any shape or form.
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03-20-2024, 04:59 AM
#47
Originally Posted By foXs⏩
There's a difference between what can be observed and apply (science) and what is inferred by scientists. Evolution cannot be observed, it's an assumption about how what we can observe (diverse species) occurred. Calling evolution an established fact is to misunderstand science, not religion.
I was not born in western society, nor does it matter where I was born.
"The scientific method is the process of objectively establishing facts through testing and experimentation."
There's an interested quote about science vs religion. It said that if the our race went through a disaster and all our history was lost, in thousands of years, science would come up with the same conclusions because it's based on laws of nature, physics and scientific research. On the other hand, you and the likes of you would be believing in some other imaginary creature because it cannot be proven in any shape or form.
"The scientific method is the process of objectively establishing facts through testing and experimentation."
There's an interested quote about science vs religion. It said that if the our race went through a disaster and all our history was lost, in thousands of years, science would come up with the same conclusions because it's based on laws of nature, physics and scientific research. On the other hand, you and the likes of you would be believing in some other imaginary creature because it cannot be proven in any shape or form.
Right and wrong, morality, does not change even if all humans die out. It is also entirely unexplainable in materialistic world views.
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03-20-2024, 05:02 AM
#48
Originally Posted By Brommando⏩
Some weren't wiped out.
You do realise there were cousins of homosapiens that were wiped out due to various causes right?
You can also ask those questions by replacing X and Y in your original question…
Theory of evolution is OP
You can also ask those questions by replacing X and Y in your original question…
Theory of evolution is OP
03-20-2024, 05:10 AM
#49
Evolution…
Yet dogs & other animals are still dumb as a rock after God knows how many generations.
Sharks & crocodilians from supposed dinosaur era evolved to what exactly? Smaller version of themselves?? Where is the intelligence & cities they built after millions of years of evolution??? If anything they regressed
Edit:
Found the missing link^^^
Yet dogs & other animals are still dumb as a rock after God knows how many generations.
Sharks & crocodilians from supposed dinosaur era evolved to what exactly? Smaller version of themselves?? Where is the intelligence & cities they built after millions of years of evolution??? If anything they regressed
Edit:
Found the missing link^^^
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03-20-2024, 05:11 AM
#50
Originally Posted By foXs⏩
next you'll say the c0vid jab was safe and effective
I was not born in western society, nor does it matter where I was born.
"The scientific method is the process of objectively establishing facts through testing and experimentation."
There's an interested quote about science vs religion. It said that if the our race went through a disaster and all our history was lost, in thousands of years, science would come up with the same conclusions because it's based on laws of nature, physics and scientific research. On the other hand, you and the likes of you would be believing in some other imaginary creature because it cannot be proven in any shape or form.
"The scientific method is the process of objectively establishing facts through testing and experimentation."
There's an interested quote about science vs religion. It said that if the our race went through a disaster and all our history was lost, in thousands of years, science would come up with the same conclusions because it's based on laws of nature, physics and scientific research. On the other hand, you and the likes of you would be believing in some other imaginary creature because it cannot be proven in any shape or form.
03-20-2024, 05:32 AM
#51
Couple things
Evolution and creationism are not incompatible.
Evolution and Christianity/judaeism/islam are not incompatible
Evolution and biblical literalists are where it becomes incompatible
Evolution has many mechanisms we have guessed at, it’s still a theory with plenty of sections with guesswork that could easily be changed when better data is discovered.
The very concept of god is relativistic and could be compatible with say whatever force was behind the Big Bang if that’s the scientific theory we want to tailor it too.
The biggest irony of this all is we had amazing discussions on this type of subject as far back as the dark ages with people like saint augustine, Thomas Hobbes, Francis bacon etc…
But the atheists want to stick to disproving literalist Christian’s who believe god is a man hanging out in heaven in the clouds. And well literalist fundamentalists with little concept of science do indeed still exist.
But how is it scientific to fully believe the theory of evolution as we understand it is complete and correct given our extreme lack of data and knowing it’s just a model built on incomplete data that can change with the slightest revealed truth.
The science people getting rustled as if suggesting there are holes in our understanding and lack of evidence in certain models, do seem to be taking the same dogmatic approach to their knowledge as fundamentalist literalist Christian’s take to there’s.
Wise people know when they don’t know something for sure. Falling into sureity because of an aversion to a type of thought due to your preconceived notions of words like creationism, is a psychological trap.
Evolution and creationism are not incompatible.
Evolution and Christianity/judaeism/islam are not incompatible
Evolution and biblical literalists are where it becomes incompatible
Evolution has many mechanisms we have guessed at, it’s still a theory with plenty of sections with guesswork that could easily be changed when better data is discovered.
The very concept of god is relativistic and could be compatible with say whatever force was behind the Big Bang if that’s the scientific theory we want to tailor it too.
The biggest irony of this all is we had amazing discussions on this type of subject as far back as the dark ages with people like saint augustine, Thomas Hobbes, Francis bacon etc…
But the atheists want to stick to disproving literalist Christian’s who believe god is a man hanging out in heaven in the clouds. And well literalist fundamentalists with little concept of science do indeed still exist.
But how is it scientific to fully believe the theory of evolution as we understand it is complete and correct given our extreme lack of data and knowing it’s just a model built on incomplete data that can change with the slightest revealed truth.
The science people getting rustled as if suggesting there are holes in our understanding and lack of evidence in certain models, do seem to be taking the same dogmatic approach to their knowledge as fundamentalist literalist Christian’s take to there’s.
Wise people know when they don’t know something for sure. Falling into sureity because of an aversion to a type of thought due to your preconceived notions of words like creationism, is a psychological trap.
03-20-2024, 05:36 AM
#52
Originally Posted By skunkshark⏩
I think you would find from either a religious or philosophical perspective.
There's a difference between what can be observed and apply (science) and what is inferred by scientists. Evolution cannot be observed, it's an assumption about how what we can observe (diverse species) occurred. Calling evolution an established fact is to misunderstand science, not religion.
Right and wrong, morality, does not change even if all humans die out. It is also entirely unexplainable in materialistic world views.
Right and wrong, morality, does not change even if all humans die out. It is also entirely unexplainable in materialistic world views.
Morals and right/wrong does in fact disappear when the social contract between humans dissolves and we revert to state of nature (no form of society/gov). (or biblically pre eating the fruit and existing in Eden)
03-20-2024, 05:45 AM
#53
People actually do not believe in the theory of evolution in this day and age?
educate yourselves.
Who was vestigial organs/body parts
Just look at your little toe, you think that wasn't bigger millions of years ago??
educate yourselves.
Who was vestigial organs/body parts
Just look at your little toe, you think that wasn't bigger millions of years ago??
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03-20-2024, 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted By darkninja67⏩
I don’t think anyone is arguing against that. I believe they have issues with specific trans species branching, possibly issues with the theory on eukaryota etc..
People actually do not believe in the theory of evolution in this day and age?
educate yourselves.
Who was vestigial organs/body parts
Just look at your little toe, you think that wasn't bigger millions of years ago??
educate yourselves.
Who was vestigial organs/body parts
Just look at your little toe, you think that wasn't bigger millions of years ago??
You know the parts that we have basically no evidence of and is mostly conjecture based off the best theory’s and data we could compile.
Edit: example
The "host" cell membrane and biochemistry are more similar to those of Archaebacteria, so scientists believe eukaryotes descended more directly from that major group (Figure below). The timing of this dramatic evolutionary event (more likely a series of events) is not clear. The oldest fossil clearly related to modern eukaryotes is a red alga dating back to 1.2 billion years ago. However, many scientists place the appearance of eukaryotic cells at about 2 billion years. Some time within Proterozoic Eon, then, all three major groups of life – Bacteria, Archaea, and Eukaryotes – became well established.
What Does it all Mean?
Eukaryotic cells, made possible by endosymbiosis, were powerful and efficient. That power and efficiency gave them the potential to evolve new characteristics: multicellularity, cell specialization, and large size. They were the key to the spectacular diversity of animals, plants, and fungi that populate our world today. Nevertheless, as we close the history of early life, reflect once more on the remarkable but often unsung patterns and processes of early evolution. Often, as humans, we focus our attention on plants and animals, and ignore bacteria. Our human senses cannot directly perceive the unimaginable variety of single cells, the architecture of organic molecules, or the intricacy of biochemical pathways. Let your study of early evolution give you a new perspective – a window into the beauty and diversity of unseen worlds, now and throughout Earth’s history. In addition to the mitochondria that call your 100 trillion cells home, your body contains more bacterial cells than human cells. You, mitochondria, and your resident bacteria share common ancestry – a continuous history of the gift of life.
The phylogenetic tree of life
The three major domains of life had evolved by 1.5 billion years ago. Biochemical similarities show that eukaryotes share more recent common ancestors with the Archaea, but our organelles probably descended from bacteria by endosymbiosis.
What Does it all Mean?
Eukaryotic cells, made possible by endosymbiosis, were powerful and efficient. That power and efficiency gave them the potential to evolve new characteristics: multicellularity, cell specialization, and large size. They were the key to the spectacular diversity of animals, plants, and fungi that populate our world today. Nevertheless, as we close the history of early life, reflect once more on the remarkable but often unsung patterns and processes of early evolution. Often, as humans, we focus our attention on plants and animals, and ignore bacteria. Our human senses cannot directly perceive the unimaginable variety of single cells, the architecture of organic molecules, or the intricacy of biochemical pathways. Let your study of early evolution give you a new perspective – a window into the beauty and diversity of unseen worlds, now and throughout Earth’s history. In addition to the mitochondria that call your 100 trillion cells home, your body contains more bacterial cells than human cells. You, mitochondria, and your resident bacteria share common ancestry – a continuous history of the gift of life.
The phylogenetic tree of life
The three major domains of life had evolved by 1.5 billion years ago. Biochemical similarities show that eukaryotes share more recent common ancestors with the Archaea, but our organelles probably descended from bacteria by endosymbiosis.
03-20-2024, 05:54 AM
#55
evolution itself is a very wide field of study, it would depend which parts of evolution you would be talking about. not all of darwin's proposed theories of evolution are correct and have been proven. just because something is the best possible explanation we have at the moment, doesn't mean it is a fact or is correct.
I think people forget that Issac Newton's law of gravity was accepted as pretty much the truth until Einstein came along with general relativity. Now the notion of gravity wasn't completely turned on its head but the point is these things are subject to change over time as we learn more.
I think people forget that Issac Newton's law of gravity was accepted as pretty much the truth until Einstein came along with general relativity. Now the notion of gravity wasn't completely turned on its head but the point is these things are subject to change over time as we learn more.
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03-20-2024, 05:56 AM
#56
Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
Everything the jews wrote is a lie. The whole exodus is bunk. Most of their writings in the greek-egyptian time frame is just them trying to steal credit from other better empires. And people actually think Genesis could be real? Lol.
Couple things
Evolution and creationism are not incompatible.
Evolution and Christianity/judaeism/islam are not incompatible
Evolution and biblical literalists are where it becomes incompatible
Evolution has many mechanisms we have guessed at, it’s still a theory with plenty of sections with guesswork that could easily be changed when better data is discovered.
The very concept of god is relativistic and could be compatible with say whatever force was behind the Big Bang if that’s the scientific theory we want to tailor it too.
The biggest irony of this all is we had amazing discussions on this type of subject as far back as the dark ages with people like saint augustine, Thomas Hobbes, Francis bacon etc…
But the atheists want to stick to disproving literalist Christian’s who believe god is a man hanging out in heaven in the clouds. And well literalist fundamentalists with little concept of science do indeed still exist.
But how is it scientific to fully believe the theory of evolution as we understand it is complete and correct given our extreme lack of data and knowing it’s just a model built on incomplete data that can change with the slightest revealed truth.
The science people getting rustled as if suggesting there are holes in our understanding and lack of evidence in certain models, do seem to be taking the same dogmatic approach to their knowledge as fundamentalist literalist Christian’s take to there’s.
Wise people know when they don’t know something for sure. Falling into sureity because of an aversion to a type of thought due to your preconceived notions of words like creationism, is a psychological trap.
Evolution and creationism are not incompatible.
Evolution and Christianity/judaeism/islam are not incompatible
Evolution and biblical literalists are where it becomes incompatible
Evolution has many mechanisms we have guessed at, it’s still a theory with plenty of sections with guesswork that could easily be changed when better data is discovered.
The very concept of god is relativistic and could be compatible with say whatever force was behind the Big Bang if that’s the scientific theory we want to tailor it too.
The biggest irony of this all is we had amazing discussions on this type of subject as far back as the dark ages with people like saint augustine, Thomas Hobbes, Francis bacon etc…
But the atheists want to stick to disproving literalist Christian’s who believe god is a man hanging out in heaven in the clouds. And well literalist fundamentalists with little concept of science do indeed still exist.
But how is it scientific to fully believe the theory of evolution as we understand it is complete and correct given our extreme lack of data and knowing it’s just a model built on incomplete data that can change with the slightest revealed truth.
The science people getting rustled as if suggesting there are holes in our understanding and lack of evidence in certain models, do seem to be taking the same dogmatic approach to their knowledge as fundamentalist literalist Christian’s take to there’s.
Wise people know when they don’t know something for sure. Falling into sureity because of an aversion to a type of thought due to your preconceived notions of words like creationism, is a psychological trap.
03-20-2024, 05:58 AM
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If the answer to "where did we come from" is "we were made by a higher power," doesn't that just move the question to "where did he come from?"
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03-20-2024, 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted By baldbrah⏩
Everything you wrote could be true and everything I wrote can still be true at the same time. So what exactly are you refuting with those statements?
Everything the jews wrote is a lie. The whole exodus is bunk. Most of their writings in the greek-egyptian time frame is just them trying to steal credit from other better empires. And people actually think Genesis could be real? Lol.
03-20-2024, 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted By IPoopStandingUp⏩
I believe the current question is what unmovable force started movement of the Big Bang without moving itself, which is essentially the same question no?
If the answer to "where did we come from" is "we were made by a higher power," doesn't that just move the question to "where did he come from?"
03-20-2024, 06:01 AM
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These threads are never made in good faith. OP is the dude that likes to say everything is demons btw. Yoga? Demons. Other religions that are somehow wrong but his is magically right? Demons.
I think Paganism was mentioned as well earlier, which is funny because many Christian holidays are ripoffs of pagan celebrations since that religion predates theirs. Same as the story of Ra, and other older tales which clearly influenced the Bible.
I think Paganism was mentioned as well earlier, which is funny because many Christian holidays are ripoffs of pagan celebrations since that religion predates theirs. Same as the story of Ra, and other older tales which clearly influenced the Bible.
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