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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
Common sense, people don't like to be fuked with, brutalized, etc, common sense dictates that morality stems from how one wants to be treated. Even violent criminals don't like to be on the receiving end. That's a much better argument than needing god or something else to tell you how to behave. Why would any sentient being be any different, regardless of where it comes from?

Also, he veered off into why they would want to study us, then mixed that with "maybe they already studied us". He's all over the place, and nothing he's saying makes much sense.
Where is it written in the stars that anyone has to give a flip about what people like?
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
Common sense, people don't like to be fuked with, brutalized, etc, common sense dictates that morality stems from how one wants to be treated. Even violent criminals don't like to be on the receiving end. That's a much better argument than needing god or something else to tell you how to behave. Why would any sentient being be any different, regardless of where it comes from?

Also, he veered off into why they would want to study us, then mixed that with "maybe they already studied us". He's all over the place, and nothing he's saying makes much sense.
So is it immoral to eat pigs, chickens, cows, octopus... sentient animals? I just want to understand if the examples of more intelligent sentient animals is the line your draw or whether it's all sentient animals?
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
That's a cop out little buddy. Kinda like when you say you'll pray for someone after they wreck you. It means nothing. You should have gone to college instead of to the YMCA.

Also, nowhere did I insult you. I simply stated the truth, or did you get get a bachelors since you last denounced higher education?
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You are a leftist with zero natural testosterone lmao. Had to chemically castrate yourself to feel like a man.

BRUTAL.
Of course I take test

We're on a bodybuilding forum, are you okay you dumb retard? You seem mighty triggered I'm mogging your Yahweh yet again

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Originally Posted By eddiehaskell⏩
Where is it written in the stars that anyone has to give a flip about what people like?
It isn't, but it is how every animal is hardwired to run. That's especially true for social animals like humans. You can think an "alien" species would be different, but given what we know, given what we have seen, it's more likely that they're very similar to us if they exist. There's a reason every single mammalian vertebrate in this world has 4 limbs.
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My dude has things about me committed to memory and responds to me 10+ a day. I'm deep within him.
I have average memory retention. You shouldn't be having lapses in memory at 39 years old. Get that checked out. I also noticed that you didn't answer my question.
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
It isn't, but it is how every animal is hardwired to run. That's especially true for social animals like humans. You can think an "alien" species would be different, but given what we know, given what we have seen, it's more likely that they're very similar to us if they exist. There's a reason every single mammalian vertebrate in this world has 4 limbs.

I have average memory retention. You shouldn't be having lapses in memory at 39 years old. Get that checked out. I also noticed that you didn't answer my question.
Now he's multi quoting me on a Friday night.
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Can a Yahwehcell tell me why it might be immoral for aliens to eat us as a delicacy but it's moral for us to eat other sentient beings?

I'm getting awfully confused about this whole objective morality business!
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Originally Posted By PissantSoldier⏩
Can a Yahwehcell tell me why it might be immoral for aliens to eat us as a delicacy but it's moral for us to eat other sentient beings?
What sentient beings do we normally eat?
Originally Posted By eddiehaskell⏩
Now he's multi quoting me on a Friday night.
I'm not poor, so Friday vs Monday or any other day means nothing to me. I can already tell you're gonna start with the gay shyt, you can't help yourself.
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
What sentient beings do we normally eat?

I'm not poor, so Friday vs Monday or any other day means nothing to me. I can already tell you're gonna start with the gay shyt, you can't help yourself.
Chickens, cows, pigs, octopus. In fact, a lot of our animal diet are sentient beings.

Is it "intelligence" that is the arbitrary line here? In which case, why is it okay to eat pigs? Why it is okay to eat octopus?
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Originally Posted By PissantSoldier⏩
Chickens, cows, pigs, octopus. In fact, a lot of our animal diet are sentient beings.

Is it "intelligence" that is the arbitrary line here? In which case, why is it okay to eat pigs?
None of those other than maybe octopodes are sentient. A gorilla or a dolphin, those are sentient animals, and I've never seen their meat in a supermarket.
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Yahwelcels should actually become vegans or they're committing gross immoral acts per their own logic

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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
None of those other than maybe octopodes are sentient. A gorilla or a dolphin, those are sentient animals, and I've never seen their meat in a supermarket.
What do you think sentient means here? Those animals are absolutely sentient. They experience emotions, they feel. Pigs recognize themselves and others. What are you even talking about brother?
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
None of those other than maybe octopodes are sentient. A gorilla or a dolphin, those are sentient animals, and I've never seen their meat in a supermarket.
Of course they’re sentient.

I didn’t eat meat for 5 years. Killing animals for pleasure (food) is immoral tbh. You’ve got to give it to the vegans. I just accepted it. Although I’m not religious.
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Cognitively, pigs are similar to dogs and small children.

https://www.wellbeingintlstudiesrepo...ke%20our%20own.

Yet we slaughter close to 4 million every day. Is that not mass murder?
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Originally Posted By PissantSoldier⏩
Yahwelcels should actually become vegans or they're committing gross immoral acts per their own logic

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What do you think sentient means here? Those animals are absolutely sentient. They experience emotions, they feel. Pigs recognize themselves and others. What are you even talking about brother?
They do feel, they do not have feelings. Those are different things. A cow for example will look at a mirror and react as if it sees another cow, not itself. It has no concept of self. Humans are special because they can think, not just react to stimuli. Now this doesn't mean it's ok to torture and make cows suffer, but a cow doesn't know it's being raised for food until it gets hit with the captive bolt gun, and that's only if the gun isn't used correctly.
Originally Posted By Gainzzz⏩
Of course they’re sentient.

I didn’t eat meat for 5 years. Killing animals for pleasure (food) is immoral tbh. You’ve got to give it to the vegans. I just accepted it. Although I’m not religious.
The animals are killed for food because we were made to eat meat. There's a reason vegans go to prison for trying to feed their babies vegan diets. Humans need animal products to thrive.
Originally Posted By PissantSoldier⏩
Cognitively, pigs are similar to dogs and small children.

https://www.wellbeingintlstudiesrepo...ke%20our%20own.

Yet we slaughter close to 4 million every day. Is that not mass murder?
A pig doesn't contemplate life. Pigs are smarter than dogs, but that is a really low bar.
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
They do feel, they do not have feelings. Those are different things. A cow for example will look at a mirror and react as if it sees another cow, not itself. It has no concept of self. Humans are special because they can think, not just react to stimuli. Now this doesn't mean it's ok to torture and make cows suffer, but a cow doesn't know it's being raised for food until it gets hit with the captive bolt gun, and that's only if the gun isn't used correctly.
You 100% have not spent any time with animals

And you 100% do not know any of the research done that conclusively shows you're talking complete chit brother
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Originally Posted By PissantSoldier⏩
he he he

I'm glad the Christians ITT believe it's subjective

Makes me wonder a great many things about their worship of theDemiurge
Where does hermeticism fit into your philosophy and your life? Not a rhetorical question. Genuinely curious.
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Originally Posted By PissantSoldier⏩
You 100% have not spent any time with animals

And you 100% do not know any of the research done that conclusively shows you're talking complete chit brother
I have two cats, and have lived in a farm with all kinds of animals.
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
I have two cats, and have lived in a farm with all kinds of animals.
That's even worse then.
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
The animals are killed for food because we were made to eat meat. There's a reason vegans go to prison for trying to feed their babies vegan diets. Humans need animal products to thrive.
I guarantee the vast majority of meat you eat is for pleasure.

Animals being sentient is not a debatable topic btw.
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Originally Posted By PissantSoldier⏩
That's even worse then.
I'm not gonna anthropomorphize a cow son. I'm all for treating animals well, but a cow doesn't plan for tomorrow, it doesn't have the capability to do so, so I'm not gonna worry about it.
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I guarantee the vast majority of meat you eat is for pleasure.

Animals being sentient is not a debatable topic btw.
IDK what you mean by eating for pleasure. I eat whatever tastes decent and will meet my macro and micro nutrient requirements.

How are you using the word "sentient", do you mean as in they feel physical stimuli, or they have the ability to reflect and reason?
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Where does hermeticism fit into your philosophy and your life? Not a rhetorical question. Genuinely curious.
It doesn't fit in with my philosophy. I enjoy the discussions though, and I have studied quite a bit. My background was growing up in a very strict Macedonian Orthodox household. I lived in Rome for 2 years for a broader look at the Roman philosophies. I'm agnostic, IRL I do what I can to help people. I've lucked out in that I made a lot of money so now my time is generally spent between raising my little ones, my volunteer work and I have a gym with a few of my friends. I'm actually nice (lmao) outside of this forum where I'm a big horrible meaning leftist cuck (or some variation of that).

I greatly respect the words ascribed to Jesus, I like some of the philosophies and ideas there. But I despise the church built upon his name. I always had huge problems with the Hebrew scriptures, namely Yahweh and his being. I got quite big into apologetics, and it turned pretty analytical in the end.

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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
I'm not gonna anthropomorphize a cow son. I'm all for treating animals well, but a cow doesn't plan for tomorrow, it doesn't have the capability to do so, so I'm not gonna worry about it.
Who said anything about anthropomorphizing a cow?

We have plenty of studies that show how complex these animals are and what they feel and good indications to their emotional states and how the process everything. You can't just make a claim like "they're not sentient", this is baseless lunacy.

https://www.animalbehaviorandcogniti...rino_Allen.pdf
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Originally Posted By eddiehaskell⏩
But do you think that such advanced beings may know of other life -- perhaps even some closer to their level? Maybe some they are currently in contact with? And what knowledge could they gain from us? They would likely have the tech to map out our brains and every thought we've ever had. It may be hard to fathom but we would essentially be like a little ant farm.
I don't think it is hard to fathom. We ourselves have produced extensive knowledge of ants and have gone out of our way to learn as much about them as we can.

Imagine if we discovered an ant that communicated with an intelligible language and not merely pheremones.
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Originally Posted By PissantSoldier⏩
It doesn't fit in with my philosophy. I enjoy the discussions though, and I have studied quite a bit. My background was growing up in a very strict Macedonian Orthodox household. I lived in Rome for 2 years for a broader look at the Roman philosophies. I'm agnostic, IRL I do what I can to help people. I've lucked out in that I made a lot of money so now my time is generally spent between raising my little ones, my volunteer work and I have a gym with a few of my friends. I'm actually nice (lmao) outside of this forum where I'm a big horrible meaning leftist cuck (or some variation of that).

I greatly respect the words ascribed to Jesus, I like some of the philosophies and ideas there. But I despise the church built upon his name. I always had huge problems with the Hebrew scriptures, namely Yahweh and his being. I got quite big into apologetics, and it turned pretty analytical in the end.

I still have good conversations about all of this with the wider family which is actually pretty mixed these days with various philosophies varying from something akin to Hinduism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Eastern Orthodox and bits in-between.
Kinda how I feel about Jesus vs the church. I like Jesus and think he's based asf.
I'm not anything but I believe in a God just cause idk to me, it's insanity if there isn't some creator out there. Things have order and chaos doesn't make sense.

I picked the Bible up and also the Quran to see what it says. Some based things in both books.

Anyone read the Ethiopian Bible?
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Originally Posted By PissantSoldier⏩
It doesn't fit in with my philosophy. I enjoy the discussions though, and I have studied quite a bit. My background was growing up in a very strict Macedonian Orthodox household. I lived in Rome for 2 years for a broader look at the Roman philosophies. I'm agnostic, IRL I do what I can to help people. I've lucked out in that I made a lot of money so now my time is generally spent between raising my little ones, my volunteer work and I have a gym with a few of my friends. I'm actually nice (lmao) outside of this forum where I'm a big horrible meaning leftist cuck (or some variation of that).

I greatly respect the words ascribed to Jesus, I like some of the philosophies and ideas there. But I despise the church built upon his name. I always had huge problems with the Hebrew scriptures, namely Yahweh and his being. I got quite big into apologetics, and it turned pretty analytical in the end.

I still have good conversations about all of this with the wider family which is actually pretty mixed these days with various philosophies varying from something akin to Hinduism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Eastern Orthodox and bits in-between.
Thank you for taking the time to write this thoughtful response.
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Kinda how I feel about Jesus vs the church. I like Jesus and think he's based asf.
I'm not anything but I believe in a God just cause idk to me, it's insanity if there isn't some creator out there. Things have order and chaos doesn't make sense.

I picked the Bible up and also the Quran to see what it says. Some based things in both books.

Anyone read the Ethiopian Bible?
I mean I'm agnostic really. I wouldn't regard myself as an atheist.

And on the Tewahedo, I've not read all the additional books, just a handful. It wasn't something I took much interest in but maybe I'll circle back at some point.

The Quran is pretty interesting and well done. But there's also a glaring issue with the problem of Aisha and consent that can't be looked past.
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Originally Posted By PissantSoldier⏩
I mean I'm agnostic really. I wouldn't regard myself as an atheist.

And on the Tewahedo, I've not read all the additional books, just a handful. It wasn't something I took much interest in but maybe I'll circle back at some point.

The Quran is pretty interesting and well done. But there's also a glaring issue with the problem of Aisha and consent that can't be looked past.
I'm more on the "there's a God" and Jesus is based but also people are kinda *******s in all religions. Gotta also say though, there's good people too.

I'm gonna pick up Erhmans book I was talking about this weekend. Honestly you reminded me about it the other day.

Meh, idk man all the books got little girls in it apparently. I found the Quran and the Bible read differently tbh. A lot of similarity in some ways though.

Christianity and Islam kinda appeal to me but we shall see. The rabbis won't accept me and idk if I wanna sacrifice chickens tbh
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Originally Posted By rstlne1⏩
I'm more on the "there's a God" and Jesus is based but also people are kinda *******s in all religions. Gotta also say though, there's good people too.

I'm gonna pick up Erhmans book I was talking about this weekend. Honestly you reminded me about it the other day.

Meh, idk man all the books got little girls in it apparently. I found the Quran and the Bible read differently tbh. A lot of similarity in some ways though.
For sure, I mean it's technically the same God, right?

Grab it and tell me what you think. There's another I've got somewhere about the history of Yahweh. I'll dig it out but that is super interesting - I can't recall the authors though
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Originally Posted By PissantSoldier⏩
For sure, I mean it's technically the same God, right?

Grab it and tell me what you think. There's another I've got somewhere about the history of Yahweh. I'll dig it out but that is super interesting - I can't recall the authors though
Apparently. It's crazy how the Abrahamic religions are fighting and yet they all love supposedly the same guys (minus how they view Jesus I guess).

I had a thread earlier about why Jews can't say God's name. Idk if you have much on that
https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...hp?t=185601281
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Originally Posted By rstlne1⏩
Apparently. It's crazy how the Abrahamic religions are fighting and yet they all love supposedly the same guys (minus how they view Jesus I guess).

I had a thread earlier about why Jews can't say God's name. Idk if you have much on that
https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...hp?t=185601281
I do, I'll post in it later

Have you ever been to see a Rabbi/gone to synagogue at all?

Gonna shoot for it a bit now brother
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