You have to have faith in something. Either God or man.

To believe in man only allows you to say “we will one day have all the answers” when we on a don’t.

There is too much design in… everything for me to believe that that universe exists with us in it and it came about from nothingness.

There’s a lot of other things to bring up but it’s late and I’ll probably say something stupid if try to dive in tonight lol

I will also say to anyone who goes the humanity/science-based route is that the Bible (God) asks for faith - it’s not a textbook to give you that “ah-ha” moment where you figured out all of a sudden that it’s real and not fantasy or something. That doesn’t mean you need to throw away all of your questions (I have many) - rather it just means you need to allow yourself to accept that idea that in fact “What if God does exist?” and go from there. And most people who do get to that point then read the Bible or go to church looking for proof of God (which isn’t the right way) but don’t actually do what Christianity says and begin to have faith in God so they quickly dismiss their “church experiment” and go back to digging deeper into their humanity/science perspective.

Gonna stop rambling and hopefully that makes some sense

Fair enough sir

My story is a bit unique.

I had a spiritual awakening and developed psychic abilities - got more and more involved with new age and then got into hinduism and was initiated under a guru. In the end as part of the initiation you are told that Jesus Christ is God and is real and to progress further in hinduism and gain more power, I would need to renounce Jesus Christ.

Basically, what is called satanism in the west is the regular religion that people had prior to Christianity, apart from the Jews, and even then, they slipped quite a bit in biblical times. To this day people are still satanists and include Hindus, Buddhists, and their other, more niche sister religions (thelema, voodoo, santeria, neo-pagans, wiccans, etc).

This stuff isn't even necessarily hidden, it's out in the open. You just need to do the research and look at it from an Abrahamic point of view. All the satanic religion have a concept of 'that which was before God' like Ein Sof, Brahman, The Tao, etc.

Also a plot twist - pagan idols like apollo, zeus, osiris, ra, krisha, shiva, etc are all real spiritual entities that reside in the astral realm I think. When people worship the physical idols, they are worshipping the spirit behind the idol.

Your logic is flawed, because God made ants, humans did not. A human cannot create anything, not even a single atom. Humans just manipulate atoms made by God.

Thoughts on this?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0wi7Wt...b24gamVhdXM%3D

This guy seems to make sense to me

Skimmed this but will get back tomorrow on the bulk part on it and thanks for the correction about worship on your viewpoint.

And the ending is beautifully worded. Some Muslims and Christians on both sides have no idea how much they actually share in common. If we both took a moment to see that. It's about building bridges and at least at a minimum, having understanding of one another.

Will watch it tomorrow thank you

Alright boys I'm out but good talking will reply to the rest tomorrow

because there is a pattern does not mean it was designed. we evolved to seek patterns for survival, so we see them everywhere. we see designs evolve over time too

mankind has already found a theoretical solution to these patterns. "seeds" as video game nerds would call them. it is a continuum of possible universes. ours is just one of them. and we are special in that gravity acts the way it does here, so that planets and stars form the way they do. and how electromagnetism works here, to protect our atmosphere and have strong bonds between elements. but there are infinitely many more similar to us or perhaps better off than us in some way

and it makes sense that we are special, because unlucky ones wouldn't exist to complain about it.

Absolutely does mean it was designed, abiogenesis defies the law of entropy and evolution on a macro level has never been proven whatsoever.

Evolution is based on two faulty assumptions:

1. mutations make something new and
2. natural selection makes it survive and take over the population. Evolution is a religion of death not life.

“No matter how numerous they may be, mutations do not produce any kind of evolution.”
Pierre-Paul Grasse, Evolution of Living Organisms 1977, p. 88

*They rearrange existing information but do not increase genetic complexity

“In all the reading I’ve done in the life-sciences literature, I’ve never found a mutation that added information. . . . All point mutations that have been studied on the molecular level turn out to reduce the genetic information and not increase it.”
Lee Spetner, Not By Chance!: Shattering the Modern Theory of Evolution (Brooklyn, N.Y.: Judaica Press, 1997), 131, 138.

“Natural selection may have a stabilizing effect, but it does not promote speciation. It is not a creative force as many people have suggested.”
Daniel Brooks “A downward Slope to Greater Diversity,” Science, Vol. 217, 24 September 1982, p. 1240

“Natural selection can act only on those biologic properties that already exist; it cannot create properties in order to meet adaptational needs.”

Parasitology, 6th ed. Lea & Febiger, p. 516.

Survival of the fittest does not explain the arrival of the fittest!

By the way: “Survival of the fittest” is a tautology.

Q. Why did it survive? A. Because it is the fittest.

Q. How do you know it is the fittest? A. Because it survived.


^ circular reasoning


Genomes of animals were created by a genius. Here is part of the mouse genome on chromosome number 2, maybe someone can explain the function of this sequence of nucleotide bases..

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gcagtggaca caggaatacg cagtggacac aggaatatgc agtggagaca ggaatacgca gtggacacag gaatacgcag tggacacagg aatacgcagt ggacacagga atacgcagtg gagacaggaa tatgcagtgg agacaggaat acgcagtgga cacaggaata cgcagtggac acaggaatac gcagtggaga ctggaatatg cagtggagac aggaacacgc agtggagaca ggaatatgca gtggagacag gaatacgcag tggagacagg aatacgcagt ggacacagga atacgcagtg gagacaggaa tacgcagtgg agacaggaac acgcagtgga gacaggaaca cgcagtggag acaggaatac gctgtggaga caggaataca ctgggtcggt ttggacgttg gtgctgggga ttgaagcaag ccttgaacgc gaccagacag tgctgtaact gaactgcttc ttccctgggg cagtgtttct ttcagttccg aggttctgct cacctggttt ctaatttatg cagataaatc tctgggtcaa gcataagtgt gcctacaact ttagcccttg gaagggaaag gcaggggatt gggagtttaa ccccaacctg cactgcgcag tgagactcta tctcaaaata ataatattgc agttggtaat cgggtctgtg aatccaaaat agtcctgaaa tatcatgttt tatcagtctc ttttataaaa acctaacaat attaccaaaa agccattgga ctgtctggag tactggagtt gggagcatta gaaaatgagg aaacagacag tggctctctg ctgctgcctg tctgaaggtg tagaaggtcc tccattggta gaggtttcaa gcagaaggca gcagtattgc cattcatctc tctgtctttc tccttcacag gagtatttct tgcaagcaga gttgacaagt aacgttttga aaacaggagt ggtccactgc tgtgtggggc agtgcaacaa caccatccct gtggacacca tccttaccat gaagaaactg cctatcactt atgtacgttc actgtgggag ttaagtcact caagcacctt ttcttgcttg tgcgttatgt gtctgtctag gttctggatg agggaggtaa tggagtcgtt tctataatgc ttccttcccc aagagttttc tatggaagca tggcagatgt gagttctgcc tttttgtcag agatggaacc aatgatctaa agtgagttgg gttggatgac tgctatttcc tgggtgtgct aaagacttcc agcctgggag gttgagctgt gctgagagac ctcagagggg agctgtttgc ctggaggacc tggttcaatc tttctttgtt ctttatctct ttcttattct ctggtgctag aaactgagca tgctagttgt gtactccagc gctcagcagt ccctagttct ttatctcctg atgggatgat tgtgttagtc ctctaaagga ctgggatgga gttgagtcta gatcagtgat cagtgggtgt gcacagccac aatgaattag catgttagca gatgtgacag taattcggcg ctttttggtg aaaaattttt atccttagat tgtcccttac tctttttctt atccatcctt gtagagcaac aggaaggaaa acaagggtgg ctacctctgc cactcatgtg cagagcagcg catcgggcct ttggcattcc tgactgcctc

This is only a small part of the 2,700,000,000 nucleotide bases that can create a mouse. If anyone believes that this is a result of random chance then they are mentally retarded.

The more I go back to and revise the biological sciences, the more apart it is that God made it.

survival of the fittest is not a tautology. it is not even a (formal) statement. it is an idiom

what it means is that organisms which have the best adaptations to their enviornment are more likely to pass on their genes

That's not evolution..Much of what is usually attributed to mutations in the nature is simply adaptation, and that adaptation has today a name, EPIGENETICS. It is a system that does not change the DNA, it regulates gene-expression and does not need those millions of years to do it. In fact a good example of epigenetic adaptation are the Galapagos finches. It was supposed until recently that changes in the size and form of their beaks required time periods typical to the Darwinian explanation, observations have however confirmed that the changes occur continuously (as rapidly is in a couple of years) and are reversible.

Macro evolution does not exist, and all the "Missing links" have been debunked. Go ahead..start with the ridiculous case of Australopithecus LOL

From where I am sitting the God fearing people are the ones surviving, not the smartest nor the fastest. They're too busy being gay transexual lesbian or fornicating incessantly.

if survival of the strongest or fittest was real, then humans would'nt even exist today. There are many animals in the animal kingdom much stronger and fitter than the average human. or even the strongest human.


if you find a fossil in the dirt, all you know is it died. you can't prove it had any kids, and you sure can't prove it had different kids

I gettit and I totally understand, but I disagree. Other than "the need" or compulsion to know how/why, I reject that you have to have faith in anything for anything other than a basic intrinsic human compulsion. It's not intuative or natural, but it's okay to let go and accept that you just dont and may never even know.

Agreed, but I can resist the temptation for an easy explanation. Dont get me wrong, I want to know, but spirituality doesnt come close to a reasonable explanation to satisfy my questions - WAY too much low hanging fruit that discredits it early on the path for answers for my mind.

Yeah bro it all makes perfect sense. Failth is the part that I cannot do no matter how hard I have tried - was raised a christian but had doubts that started to galvanise around 10-12yo. Up to that point I would have faith I guess - ask questions and accept the answers I got (but still would be thinking wtf that doesnt answer it for me). I think if I was still a Christian I would feel like a fraud and living a lie although that is a useless though experiment becasue I just dont think my mind can do it.

that is part of the definition of evolution sir

and yes, it does change the dna. thats why when a black man impregnantes a white woman or vise versa, the child is likely to not be as black or white as the individual parent

Aliens are most likely real.

If aliens are real then why can't God be real, means he probably is too.

The scientific community is bought and owned by corporations, they are lying to us. They are there for profits of the elites. They are the ones telling you those two men in Olympic boxing are female and the ones that changed the definition of vaccine instead of admitting the covid vaccines didn't work.

Why would you trust those same people on the origins of life. They have no real answer even and mislead on the primordial soup theory

Evolution doesn't rule out a creator and all science can really show is minor genetic changes

Evolution on a micro scale..which is all you will ever get…
Umm..black woman getting pregnant by white man is still human, has the DNA make up of a biological human…it will never be anything but human. are you legit srs right now?

and you think having superior reasoning ability doesn't make an animal more fit than another?

Depends on the application. but humans are not animals

what do you mean by minor? and you dont think lots of minor changes, millions of them, can eventually coalesce into something considered different?

what we know as human will have a different dna sequence 5 million years from now.

natural disasters (erruptions, meteors, ice ages) and maybe dating apps, will force humankind to evolve. there may be three different species of what were "humans" by then

So why didn't more creatures evolve a reasoning ability? From where I am sitting having strong reasoning ability is almost as important for survival as walking, and most animals have legs and feet. So why didn't most animals evolve reasoning? IIRC animals may have great memory recall, but they still lack the it factor of humans.

yes we are. we breastfeed our infants like apes. we are mammals

some did. humans killed them off.

Breastfeed like apes? LOOL

No. We have no relation to apes or monkeys whatsoever, not even a distant species similar to. They have all been debunked.

So you're telling me that on this massive planet where sloths survive to this day, there isn't any (actual) living evidence of these creatures?

We have physical bodies that are similar to that of apes at a cellular level and in some ways structurally, but apes do not have a soul. The pinnacle of the human being is his/her soul, which is made in the image of God/the creator. The body is just flesh and dies anyway. It's a vehicle, really. The entity driving is a soul.

yes there is. humans were able to mate with them to some degree. we can detect neanderthal DNA (it's sequenced)

There already are

Aboriginals are clearly a more primitive species of humanoids but scientists are politically correct and cannot tell the truth for fear of being fired and blacklisted